Bachmann Perpetuates Boehner’s Refuted $3000 Light-Switch Tax Myth

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    Last week, MIT professor John Reilly called out Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) for intentionally misrepresenting Reilly’s cap-and-trade study to claim that President Obama’s emissions reduction scheme would cost American families more than $3,000 a year. “It’s just wrong,” Reilly told the St. Petersburg Times in reference to Boehner’s use of his study. “It’s wrong in so many ways it’s hard to begin.”

    Well, that didn’t stop Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) from hopping on board the Boehner train. This morning, she wrote an op-ed in the Star Tribune that kept Boehner’s distortions alive, and then some. She argued:

    Any way you look at it, it’s low- and middle-income Americans who will pay dearly for this. According to an analysis by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the average American household could expect its yearly energy bill to increase by $3,128 per year. Using an analysis by Peter Orszag, President Obama’s budget director, that number would be closer to $4,000.

    I can’t speak for Peter Orszag, but I have a feeling he would take issue with these numbers, too. A report issued by the Congressional Budget Office, of which Orszag was director until he was tapped for his new post, estimated that low-income families would see their bills increase by $680 annually. But since Obama’s cap-and-trade scheme, as outlined in his budget proposal, would give these families an $800 rebate, they’d actually come out ahead.

    The Washington Independent » Bachmann Perpetuates Boehner’s Refuted $3000 Light-Switch Tax Myth
     
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    why do repubs think we are so stupid as to not realize that THEY are lying to us...even the cbo's numbers dont match what they say....look at the graph posted in the original linked story!
     
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    The stupid one is YOU, raising energy rates in a recession FOR NOTHING is stupidity itself.

    And what about people that don't qualify for 'rebates', they have to pay, even at that widely optomistic number, another 680 bucks per year.

    That is NOT looking out for the little guy, it's pure democrat over-tax idiocy, and only morons would support it.
     
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    1) It's not a lie.

    2) If want want to talk lies, lets talk about all the "green energy jobs" that will be created.


    Now crawl back to whatever Daily KOS hole you crawled out of, thanks ...
     
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    It's hardly a myth.

    In fact, the system is not a flat carbon tax for everyone, it's based upon a per-capita basis.

    Source: Wall Street Journal: "Who Pays for Cap and Trade?"

    This article points out that the tax is geographically dependent as well.

    Wyoming citizens pollute at a per-capita rate of 154.4 tons per year and would be taxed at $14/ton under the Obama cap and trade program.

    If we accept the current Administration's estimates, a family in Wyoming will pay $2161.60 in carbon taxes each year.

    However, if we take the CBO's estimates from a similar cap and trade tax last year the cost for people in Wyoming would start at $3551.20 and would increase to $6793.6 by year 2018. (This is a more realistic indication of the effects of a carbon tax since the Obama administration likes to paint rosy pictures with their estimates.)

    By contrast, a Californian who supposedly pollutes only at 12.8 tons of carbon per year would only be taxed $179.20 per year at $14/year and and $294.40 at the more realistic CBO estimate of $23/year.

    Also, consider possible carbon taxes that might be placed upon businesses.

    As the WSJ points out the heavily populated democrat states would be lightly taxed despite the fact that they are the biggest polluters overall.

    Therefore, the democrats achieve two goals with this: They appease the environmentalist wackos and avoid anti-tax resentment from their blue state bastions.

    Was the information Boehner and Bachmann used cherry-picked to provide the most shock?

    Yes, but it was still a mathematical fact for some taxpayers who strangely enough, live in red states such as Wyoming or the Dakotas.

    Overall, your article does the same cherry-picking of the least alarming data they can get to support a liberal viewpoint.
     
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    Otter_Creek worst president ever

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    You were dumb enough to vote obama into the whitehouse. That's how dumb we know you are.
     
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    Cap and trade. AKA soaking the poor.
     
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    Boy, are you guys good at talking shit. Look at where we are after eight years of your idiocy.

    Cap and Trade. Better yet, just start shutting down the really dirty coal generators.
     
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    If anyone wants to know who talks shit take a look at old mans posts in global warming. old rock knowingly posted a report by hansen in which hansen took a warm months weathers data and used the data in place of a cold months data, I pointed it out and old rock immeadiately posted showing how hansen had to go back and correct the data.

    old rock let the bad report stand holding back the information old rock was holding

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/73527-climate-change-the-simple-argument-8.html

    if old rock willingly posts a false report all of old rocks posts must be false.

    make your own decision, check out the thread

    old rock is a scurrilous lying crock of shit (this is not a flame, its old rocks words with old rocks name placed in front)
     
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    :lol:Poor doggie, got his tail kicked, and is running around yelping.:lol:
     

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