Ayn Rand is right. There is no higher state than

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Mankind does NOT move mostly via social darwinism.

Which is a good thing, considering the fact the doctrine is a fallacy, a misapplication of Darwin’s theory to society.

 

[Big Fitz]

Mankind does NOT move mostly via social darwinism.

Which is a good thing, considering the fact the doctrine is a fallacy, a misapplication of Darwin’s theory to society.

no no... as I pointed out that it does have some aspects of how natural law works. It's just not a precise aspect, and if given full voice, it results in despotism after anarchy, which is very efficient wears down structure. Social entropy DOES exist. Efficiency of societal functions do cause advantage. Otherwise we'd still be in tribalism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[You make the incorrect assumption I wasn't reading it.

So let me respond with a similar intellectual level.

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Now you're lying, because if you were reading it you would have seen this, for example:

[B]Quote: Originally Posted by NYcarbineer

So you won't stand behind [SIZE="3"]your own prescription for the betterment of the human species, i.e., survival of fittest via the law of the jungle[/SIZE]??

Poster's response:

[B][I]I must stand behind it[/I][/B].

At the end of the day, irrespective of any belief or political structure it is truly the ultimate law at play. [/B][/QUOTE]
His decision to fall for your obvious intellectual fallacy is not my concern. I at least see through the bullshit you pander. If he believes in social darwinism, that's his own lookout. I don't see you defending your false dichotomy or being an advocate for the hundreds of millions if not billions of poor in other nations being given the same level of poverty as is enjoyed in this nation.

This statement is dead on.

[quote]Neglecting the needy is not the premise.

[B]Entitlement causing survival de-evolution is the premise[/B].

Safety net.

Not safety hammock.[/quote]

Emphasis mine.

You made the assertion that nations deliberately neglect the needy for the sake of society's improvement. You fail to define what is neglect. [/QUOTE]

Another lie. The other poster categorically rejected doing anything for anyone that would artificially improve their ability to survive and thus keep them in the gene pool,

resulting in the perpetuation of inferiority, leading to a degradation of the quality of the human species.

You can lawyer for him all you want but you cannot rewrite his positions. Let him backtrack and flip flop on his own; no need for both of you to look stupid.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The other poster categorically rejected doing anything for anyone that would artificially improve their ability to survive and thus keep them in the gene pool

Safety Net provided.

Hammock cut at both ends.

 

[Bfgrn]

What do you imagine you are proving?

While not all conservatives are authoritarians; all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives.
Robert Altmeyer - The Authoritarians


"Today Christians stand at the head of our country. I pledge that I will never tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity... We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."

Adolf Hitler
The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872.



When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

Then they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

Are you THAT fucking obtuse? Hitler was no liberal. He wanted to 'burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess'

Holy fuck are you an idiot!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Organisms don't support other organisms in nature.

There is prey - predator relationship.

And a host - scavenger relationship.

Really? Animals don't care of their own?

Stand between a mama bear and her cubs, and see what happens.

Animals care for their offspring.

Liberals want the apex animals to care for thiers.

Will certain herd animals form a protective circle around the young, despite not being the actual parents of the young? Will they let the young die if parents are lazy?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The other poster categorically rejected doing anything for anyone that would artificially improve their ability to survive and thus keep them in the gene pool

Safety Net provided.

Hammock cut at both ends.

What would you get rid of, specifically? Public education? Food stamps? Medicaid?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Really? Animals don't care of their own?

Stand between a mama bear and her cubs, and see what happens.

Animals care for their offspring.

Liberals want the apex animals to care for thiers.

Will certain herd animals form a protective circle around the young, despite not being the actual parents of the young? Will they let the young die if parents are lazy?

Which herd animals ?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Animals care for their offspring.

Liberals want the apex animals to care for thiers.

Will certain herd animals form a protective circle around the young, despite not being the actual parents of the young? Will they let the young die if parents are lazy?

Which herd animals ?

The ones who do that. Read a book.

 

[bripat9643]

Are you THAT fucking obtuse? Hitler was no liberal. He wanted to 'burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess'

Holy fuck are you an idiot!!!

In Europe a "liberal" is someone who believes in free enterprise, not someone who believes in socialism, dipstick.

Hitler was making an excuse for burning books. Censuring the media is something all liberals believe in.

 

[OODA_Loop]

The other poster categorically rejected doing anything for anyone that would artificially improve their ability to survive and thus keep them in the gene pool

Safety Net provided.

Hammock cut at both ends.

What would you get rid of, specifically? Public education? Food stamps? Medicaid?

I think there is value not only in economic terms, but to those most in need in terms of allocation of available funds and as importantly as a good faith demonstration to the hard working American tax payer that existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Safety Net provided.

Hammock cut at both ends.

What would you get rid of, specifically? Public education? Food stamps? Medicaid?

I think there is value not only in economic terms, but to those most in need in terms of allocation of available funds and as importantly as a good faith demonstration to the hard working American tax payer that existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion.

If you feed and educate and provide healthcare to the children of lazy worthless bums who are the dregs of society,

aren't you perpetuating their genetic inferiority? Shouldn't those children be left to die so we can weed out any genetic component that may have led to their parents uselessness,

and thus might be carried in the offspring?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Are you THAT fucking obtuse? Hitler was no liberal. He wanted to 'burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess'

Holy fuck are you an idiot!!!

In Europe a "liberal" is someone who believes in free enterprise, not someone who believes in socialism, dipstick.

Hitler was making an excuse for burning books. Censuring the media is something all liberals believe in.

Censor is the word you're looking for. Can we keep child pornography illegal?

 

[bripat9643]

Censor is the word you're looking for. Can we keep child pornography illegal?

The libs in here have been agitating to make FOX News and Rush Limbaugh illegal.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Will certain herd animals form a protective circle around the young, despite not being the actual parents of the young? Will they let the young die if parents are lazy?

Which herd animals ?

The ones who do that. Read a book.

Equine, bovine, ruminant, elaphs, loxodonta, sea mammals ?

at any rate those are observed protective behaviors within the confines of the familial hierarchy and do not resonate across the species where infanticide is known between competing inter-species family units.

Just as my sister-in-law would protect my son from inappropriate material wherein she may not be as keen to give a fuck about what your kid is exposed to.

 

[uscitizen]

a self serving state. Serving other people and a higher cause is bullshit.

Yep self service gasoline, grocery, buffets, etc suck.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bripat clearly does not understand classical liberalism. To conflate Hitler with liberal is astoundingly dense of Bripat. The person who is arguing that social darwinism is the rule of human cultural society is equally dense. Neither positions are supportable, and even Rand would laugh at the nonsense, that is, when she was not cashing her social security check and going to the doctor on medicare.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Which herd animals ?

The ones who do that. Read a book.

Equine, bovine, ruminant, elaphs, loxodonta, sea mammals ?

at any rate those are observed protective behaviors within the confines of the familial hierarchy and do not resonate across the species where infanticide is known between competing inter-species family units.

Just as my sister-in-law would protect my son from inappropriate material wherein she may not be as keen to give a fuck about what your kid is exposed to.

Are you really this way or just pretending to be loopy?

 

[OODA_Loop]

What would you get rid of, specifically? Public education? Food stamps? Medicaid?

I think there is value not only in economic terms, but to those most in need in terms of allocation of available funds and as importantly as a good faith demonstration to the hard working American tax payer that existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion.

If you feed and educate and provide healthcare to the children of lazy worthless bums who are the dregs of society,

aren't you perpetuating their genetic inferiority? Shouldn't those children be left to die so we can weed out any genetic component that may have led to their parents uselessness,

and thus might be carried in the offspring?

I am for feeding, educating and providing healthcare to children whose parents are unable to provide for them. I would not adovcate letting any child die let alone for the purpose of genetic engineering.

Do you have anything to offer on:

existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think there is value not only in economic terms, but to those most in need in terms of allocation of available funds and as importantly as a good faith demonstration to the hard working American tax payer that existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion.

If you feed and educate and provide healthcare to the children of lazy worthless bums who are the dregs of society,

aren't you perpetuating their genetic inferiority? Shouldn't those children be left to die so we can weed out any genetic component that may have led to their parents uselessness,

and thus might be carried in the offspring?

I am for feeding, educating and providing healthcare to children whose parents are unable to provide for them. I would not adovcate letting any child die let alone for the purpose of genetic engineering.

Do you have anything to offer on:

existing programs are managed in manner which efficiently and immediately deals with the gaming of the system by any party in any fashion

You are a classsical liberal by that explanation, and you merely want government reform. That is fully understandable in this day and age of a political class in both parties lording it up in DC.