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That is a major part of the problem. Parents do not instill respect for teachers or learning and the children become uncontrollable monsters in class. All the while the same parents who disparage the system and fail to instill either basic courtesy or manners in their children press lawsuits anytime the school attempts to rectify the situation.In education, as in anything else, you get out of it what you put into it.
You can lead students to facts, but cannot make them think.Teachers are failing, if the student failed to learn the teacher failed to teach.
the best and brightest students are obligated to sit in class and listen to lectures from some doofus who simply decided that he didn't want to fight for jobs in the real world and decided to take a union job babbling as a teacher.
then we sit around and wonder why does education suck ? well for one thing because education was never supposed to not suck ( but this is a completely separate topic that i won't get into here ). in this thread i simply wanted to offer a solution to the problem.
instead of students being obligated to learn it is the teachers that should be obligated to teach. teachers should be DRAFTED the same way soldiers are when the country is attacked.
only the most successful people should be drafted to teach and only people with at least 10 years of experience working in the REAL WORLD.
so somebody like bill gates might get drafted. he would then be given a choice where and what he wanted to teach but he wouldn't be given a choice whether or not he wanted to teach.
the job would only be part time such that a person would be able to continue with his real-life career ( as it should be recognized that teaching is not and cannot be a career any more than writing on an online forum can be considered a career ) and there would be NO PAY. there would be tax breaks however.
so bill gates maybe would choose to go back to Harvard to teach there. NOBODY should be exempt from this mazafaka. Bill Clinton might be drafted and he would teach pimpology. Lower level people would end up teaching high schools etc, but there wouldn't be a single teacher in ANY school no matter how shitty who wasn't objectively successful in life prior to becoming a teacher.
students on the other hand would NOT be required to attend school. if you would rather sell crack than be in class - knock yourself out.
you see real learning only comes from curiosity. you cannot be forced to learn any more than you can be forced to love. we have this horrible illusion that we can take the stupidest people and force the most intelligent people to learn from them. this is absurd. it doesn't work because it cannot work.
it is the stupid people who crave to teach. intelligent people crave to learn. intelligent people don't need to be forced to learn and stupid people won't learn anyway. intelligent people however have better things to do that teach others therefore teaching should in fact be compulsory.
without good teachers like without a good army the nation is fucked. a powerful nation like ours can afford not to draft soldiers because we already have the most powerful military in the world. but our education is shit and unless we do what i say in 50 years China will stomp all over us economically. then they will buy our own military to enslave us.
You can lead students to facts, but cannot make them think.Teachers are failing, if the student failed to learn the teacher failed to teach.
The argument that teachers have the sole responsibility to convey knowledge is ludicrous. Take a class of 30 college calculus students. 3 do nothing all semester long and receive a grade of F. 1 Had no ability to perform basic algebra and learns nothing in the class and thus receives a grade of F. The other 26 master enough knowledge that 6 make C's, 11 make b's and 9 earn A's.
Did the teacher "fail to teach" or did the students who failed, fail to learn?
26 students did learn, some better than others.
Introduce social promotion to a lower level class, say 5th grade arithmetic. Now a class of 22 (size limit in Texas) has 4 brain damaged students, forced in by the "no child left behind" slogan, and 16 lazy cretins who have seen that all they need do is attend class to get by, and 2 actual students who make some sort of effort.
2 students learn the material.
Whose fault is it?
The 16 lazy cretins and their inattentive parents are the prime culprits, though the administration and political leaders who placed the teacher in such an impossible situation share much of the blame. The 4 brain damaged students are not to blame as they have no chance. Equally the teacher cannot do anything with such a class except present the material in the manner required by the state and local board of education.
Students are not "Drafted" - they receive education for free from the community. It is compulsory to prevent abusive parents from sending the children to work in the fields or coal mines or wherever instead of gaining an education.
Some idiots should try learning a little history before they equate compulsory education with a draft.
Would you care for some cheese and crackers to go with your fine whine?Maybe there is no way the teacher could of succeded, that does not matter. The teacher failed.
Would you care for some cheese and crackers to go with your fine whine?Maybe there is no way the teacher could of succeded, that does not matter. The teacher failed.
Obviously you are totally divorced from the reality of teaching.
A teacher's job is to present the material in a manner conducive to learning. Once they accomplish that, it is the student's job to learn.
Some teacher's fail because they do not adequately present the material.
Most student's who fail manage to do so despite the teacher.
CharlesStucker makes far more sense than does mdn2000.
mdn2000 apparently has never taught: whether in public or private school, Sunday School class, opportunity training in the military, success training in private industry, or anything else.
Otherwise, mdn2000 would not have made such a silly statement.
The senior NCO at 1stMarDiv NCO school should have a mental examination for aiding and betting such a code, and should be forced into retirement. People are going to get killed because of that stupidity. If one bases success on the % of student learning outcomes rather than correct process and product, one dumbs down the instruction. That is inevitable. I hope you are not buying into it. If you are the creator or aider and abettor of it, you should retire also.
What are you, 4th silliest poster in Khazikstan?the best and brightest students are obligated to sit in class and listen to lectures from some doofus who simply decided that he didn't want to fight for jobs in the real world and decided to take a union job babbling as a teacher.
then we sit around and wonder why does education suck ? well for one thing because education was never supposed to not suck ( but this is a completely separate topic that i won't get into here ). in this thread i simply wanted to offer a solution to the problem.
instead of students being obligated to learn it is the teachers that should be obligated to teach. teachers should be DRAFTED the same way soldiers are when the country is attacked.
only the most successful people should be drafted to teach and only people with at least 10 years of experience working in the REAL WORLD.
so somebody like bill gates might get drafted. he would then be given a choice where and what he wanted to teach but he wouldn't be given a choice whether or not he wanted to teach.
the job would only be part time such that a person would be able to continue with his real-life career ( as it should be recognized that teaching is not and cannot be a career any more than writing on an online forum can be considered a career ) and there would be NO PAY. there would be tax breaks however.
so bill gates maybe would choose to go back to Harvard to teach there. NOBODY should be exempt from this mazafaka. Bill Clinton might be drafted and he would teach pimpology. Lower level people would end up teaching high schools etc, but there wouldn't be a single teacher in ANY school no matter how shitty who wasn't objectively successful in life prior to becoming a teacher.
students on the other hand would NOT be required to attend school. if you would rather sell crack than be in class - knock yourself out.
you see real learning only comes from curiosity. you cannot be forced to learn any more than you can be forced to love. we have this horrible illusion that we can take the stupidest people and force the most intelligent people to learn from them. this is absurd. it doesn't work because it cannot work.
it is the stupid people who crave to teach. intelligent people crave to learn. intelligent people don't need to be forced to learn and stupid people won't learn anyway. intelligent people however have better things to do that teach others therefore teaching should in fact be compulsory.
without good teachers like without a good army the nation is fucked. a powerful nation like ours can afford not to draft soldiers because we already have the most powerful military in the world. but our education is shit and unless we do what i say in 50 years China will stomp all over us economically. then they will buy our own military to enslave us.
The STATE should not be telling anybody to do anything, let along drafting people and forcing them into a profession.
Xeni would you deny that if tomorrow we were attacked by China most able men would be drafted to fight ?
Yeah, because students in public schools so resemble marines.If the student fails to learn the teacher failed to teach.
1st MarDiv NCO school