Arrested for carrying a Utility knife! OK to sell gravity knifes but not to carry

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    Take the case of Richard Gonzalez, a laborer Vance prosecuted in 2011 for the Husky utility knife he bought at Home Depot. The tool he had in his possession is exceedingly common, and generally used to cut drywall. Its exposed blade is about an inch long. When he was contacted by police in a subway station, Gonzalez wasn’t accused of using the knife to harm anyone, or even threatening to do so. But when an officer spotted it in his pocket, and found that it could be snapped open with a flick, he was arrested. Vance prosecuted Gonzalez’ case aggressively, and he ultimately served four years in state prison.

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    But there is no evidence that gravity knives, as a class, are especially prone to use in crime. And oddly enough, the law is almost never enforced outside of New York City. In contrast, as many as 70,000 people in the five boroughs have been arrested under the statute in the past 10 years, according to statistics compiled by the Legal Aid Society.

    About 84 percent of defendants were people of color, and a disproportionate number of them were prosecuted in Vance’s jurisdiction. One study found that Vance’s office had prosecuted about four times as many felony gravity knife cases as the rest of the city’s DAs combined.

    Public defenders complain that the law is little more than an easy way for officers to pad their arrest numbers in a quota-driven system. Maybe most maddening for lawyers who defend these cases is that such knives are still sold openly at retailers all over the city. The Legal Aid Society last year found more than 100 stores selling them in Manhattan alone. One hardware store on Gold Street in Lower Manhattan, a few blocks from Vance’s own office, has such knives in their front window.

    While Vance has prosecuted scores of contractors, construction workers and other working people for their tools, he has not levied criminal charges against a single retailer for selling those same knives.



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    So ok for stores to sell utility knives and gravity knifes, just not ok to carry them.

    Same DA in this thread.

    This looks a bit dodgy
     
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    Knives are a gateway weapon. Next thing you know hes buying an AR and shooting up a school, amiright?

    Its ridiculous that carrying a knife is illegal
     
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    I did not grow up in NY------it was a WELL KNOWN fact amongst 'us kids' that
    carrying ANY KIND OF A SWITCH BLADE was-------a "big crime"------possibly the
    law is not ADVERTISED as such in New York. There should be signs all over the city to WARN people not to carry them. I is possible that innocent people are sometimes 'trapped"
     
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    He was carrying a utility knife, a tool used for drywall. You just made my case for not selling AR's or assault weapons, thank you.

    Why are not the stores fined for carrying gravity knifes?? Try if you can.
     
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    Not ok for knives but ok for guns. This is also about the DA of NY. He seems to be a racist and also in pay to play schemes.
     
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    New York is a shithole communist, totalitarian state. Anyone who chooses to remain there is either on the “in”. Or fucking a fool.
    Secondly the idea that the stores should be fined is nonsensical. Teams should show up at the stores and arrest the management, and charge them to the fullest extent of the law. But that would stymie the tax revenue...
     
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    So how do you feel about guns and gun stores?
     
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    That they’re legal. So is possession. New York agrees. If only barely...
     
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    the gun laws in NYC are VERY STRICT------no---it is not ok for guns either. As to SELLING the switch blade type construction tool----why should that be a
    crime----seems like a bonafide tool for people engaged in construction---
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    very barely----it is not easy to get a license to carry a gun in New York
     
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    Shit I must have over a dozen of those Husky utility knives. If I don't have one in my pocket then it's in the car or truck.

    And for the record it's a razor blade in a holder and the actual cutting edge that is exposed is very small , less than half the length of the razor blade so when one corner of the blade gets dull or chipped you can use the other corner

    And it's not really a gravity knife because it can't just be flicked open. There is a thumb stud and the spring is very tight

    I'm one of those guys who always carries a pocket knife
     

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