Armed Guards

[Ernie S.]

Yep.

And, they seem incapable of understanding that while they're yammering about keeping rights, they're actually throwing rights away.

Yup we are attempting to take away the "right" of felons and nutters to shoot up schools;
The rights of people that deserve those rights, are not infringed by armed guards.

 

[Ernie S.]

Question for the Nutter's: How is REQUIRING armed guards NOT an exercise in gun legislation or gun control, even if a positive example? How is that not government intrusion into our 2nd amendment rights?

Gun nuts and rw's are not against government control. Just mention marriage equality or abortion and they're ready to vote for laws that would control the most intimate and private lives of OTHER Americans.

Even though there is no evidence that guns in our schools would stop mass murders, and even though there IS evidence that guns in schools would NOT stop mass murder, its not at all surprising that they now want laws to force us all to live in fear of even more shootings than we already have.

Tell us all just how banning scary looking weapons will make you more safe.
No bullshit, no "study", nothing from HuffPo or the NY Times Op Ed page. Use your own words and tell us how you will be safer without scary guns being sold by licensed dealers to people who have passed a federal background check

 

[jwoodie]

Dear Luddite: Have you actually read the sequence of events at Columbine? The armed guard was at the other end of the school when the shooting began, so he could not have prevented the initial shootings. Exactly. But, the gun nuts say they can guarantee that an armed guard will be at the exact right place and time. However, his quick response undoubtedly saved the lives of other students who would have been killed. You don't know that. According to your flawed logic, anti-submarine warfare should not have been conducted in WW2 because it did not prevent every single ship from being sunk by a U-boat.YOUR total lack of logic ignores the fact that anti-subs had to hunt for their prey.

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Thanks for clearing that up!

 

[eflatminor]

Since having armed guards has never helped before, why do gun nuts believe that will change?

Why did President Clinton?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

We all know that Columbine had an armed sheriff's deputy on duty at the time of shooting. Virginia Tech had armed police on duty. Ft Hood had dozens of guards and MPs not to mention the trained military who were shot.

We also know that there was an armed civilian at the Tucson shooting who stayed inside the Walgreen's store until the unarmed people wrestled the gun away from Loughner. He later said he almost came out but then his story changed several more times. It was the unarmed people, including an elderly lady, who held Loughner until the police arrived.

In almost all shootings, its the police who stop the shooter or the shooter kills himself. In searching, I've found only one case of a civilian and one case of an off duty police officer taking down a shooter. There are also occasional cases of people disarming home invaders but, since this is not a second amendment issue, those stories have nothing at all to do with the question of armed police at schools.

Since having armed guards has never helped before, why do gun nuts believe that will change?

Do gun nuts want armed guards at other places as well? Churches? Restaurants? There have been shootings at both so should there be armed guards there as well?

Which is exactly what he was supposed to do.

An armed citizen is armed for his self-defense only, not to defend others and try to be a ‘hero.’

And although armed guards may be a factor in preventing gun violence, they can not be the only factor.

But the gun nuts tell us that carrying a gun would stop criminals.

Oh yeah, and they'd be able to overthrow the government if they "need" to.

That is what you get for listening to a pretend lawyer.

 

[eots]

we guard banks...but not children

 

[Aristotle]

How many gun threads is this luddly?

 

[eots]

maybe the president should set an example and for go his armed guards

 

[eots]

Regan had an armed guard but still was shot... Kennedy as well...clearly armed guards dont work..so we should get rid of them

 

[Harry Dresden]

Liberals want you understand that guns are the primary cause... Mental illness is not. Guns are scary, so they should be banned. They only push their anti gun nonsense when there is a tragedy, because when there is no tragedy to back up their assault on your Second Amendment Rights, they lose their argument every time. They are a tyrannical bunch who use the deaths of children to push their anti Freedom agendas, which in itself makes them truly despicable people. Gun control isn't about controlling guns... It's about controlling people.

PROOF please.

The FACT is, just as guns have not stopped mass shootings in the schools where they already are, there is no evidence that banning the ultimate goal of those who do not want the mentally ill, criminals, terrorists, illegals to be able to easily buy guns.

The question is, WHY do the gun nuts/rw's want to arm the mentally ill, criminals, terrorists and illegals? WHY do the gun nuts/rw's always run away from THAT question?

why do you run from 90% of the questions asked of you.....in threads YOU start?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

We all know that Columbine had an armed sheriff's deputy on duty at the time of shooting. Virginia Tech had armed police on duty. Ft Hood had dozens of guards and MPs not to mention the trained military who were shot.

We also know that there was an armed civilian at the Tucson shooting who stayed inside the Walgreen's store until the unarmed people wrestled the gun away from Loughner. He later said he almost came out but then his story changed several more times. It was the unarmed people, including an elderly lady, who held Loughner until the police arrived.

In almost all shootings, its the police who stop the shooter or the shooter kills himself. In searching, I've found only one case of a civilian and one case of an off duty police officer taking down a shooter. There are also occasional cases of people disarming home invaders but, since this is not a second amendment issue, those stories have nothing at all to do with the question of armed police at schools.

Since having armed guards has never helped before, why do gun nuts believe that will change?

Do gun nuts want armed guards at other places as well? Churches? Restaurants? There have been shootings at both so should there be armed guards there as well?

"We all know" that the armed Sheriff's Deputy on duty at Columbine that day exchanged gunfire with Eric Harris, the Sheriff's Deputy called for backup, and the motorcycle cop who responded joined the Sheriff's Deputy in exchanging gunfire with both Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, then they both began evacuating students as the SWAT team arrived.

"We all know" that Virginia Tech, like most large universities, is like a city within a city, and the "armed police on duty" were at the University police station when the shooting started. The police were not inside the building where the shootings took place, and it took the police over 8 minutes to respond to the initial 911 call.

"We all know" that the military police at military installations are virtually the ONLY military that are armed and on-duty 24/7/365. The mass murderer at Ft. Hood was an Army officer, and the military police at Ft. Hood responded to the shootings not unlike any other civilian police department would.

The only thing worse than your "research" is your dishonesty, "Luddly". Here are some FACTS for you:

Most multiple-victim shootings occur in “gun-free zones” — even within states that have concealed-carry laws: public schools, churches, Sikh temples, post offices, the movie theater where James Holmes committed mass murder, and the Portland, Ore., mall where a nut starting gunning down shoppers a few weeks ago.

1. At the recent Portland mall shooting, concealed-carry-holder Nick Meli hadn’t noticed that the mall was a gun-free zone. He pointed his (otherwise legal) gun at the shooter as he paused to reload, and the next shot was the attempted mass murderer killing himself. (Meli aimed, but didn’t shoot, because there were bystanders behind the shooter.)

2. Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

3. Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead "innocents": Two.

4. Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead "innocents": Three.

5. Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates — as well as the “trained campus supervisor”; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead "innocents": Two.

6. Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, the student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman’s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead "innocents": Two.

7. Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead "innocents": One.

There are a few examples for you, "Luddly". So how does that shoe leather taste?

The only thing worse than your "research" is your dishonesty, "Luddly".

Dudley DISHONEST?......are you serious?.....he tells the truth...just ask him.....

 

[kwc57]

Where did Puddly Pillowbiter run off to?

 

[jwoodie]

This is a good example of why liberals are drawn to "journalism," particularly newspapers and TV: It gives them a platform for spouting their propaganda without having to defend it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Where did Puddly Pillowbiter run off to?

Dudley is like Dean....they start a thread and say some shit and then run away because someone might have a question about what they said.......and since they usually cant answer the question.......see ya...........

 

[daveman]

We all know that Columbine had an armed sheriff's deputy on duty at the time of shooting. Virginia Tech had armed police on duty. Ft Hood had dozens of guards and MPs not to mention the trained military who were shot.

We also know that there was an armed civilian at the Tucson shooting who stayed inside the Walgreen's store until the unarmed people wrestled the gun away from Loughner. He later said he almost came out but then his story changed several more times. It was the unarmed people, including an elderly lady, who held Loughner until the police arrived.

In almost all shootings, its the police who stop the shooter or the shooter kills himself. In searching, I've found only one case of a civilian and one case of an off duty police officer taking down a shooter. There are also occasional cases of people disarming home invaders but, since this is not a second amendment issue, those stories have nothing at all to do with the question of armed police at schools.

Since having armed guards has never helped before, why do gun nuts believe that will change?

Do gun nuts want armed guards at other places as well? Churches? Restaurants? There have been shootings at both so should there be armed guards there as well?

Ahhh, I see you oppose Obama's children's school having armed guards.

Or is that different? Somehow?

 

[daveman]

Yep.

And, they seem incapable of understanding that while they're yammering about keeping rights, they're actually throwing rights away.

Let's see...where have I seen this line of thought before...?

Oh, yes!

Freedom is Slavery
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength

 

[daveman]

Another "Do as I say, not as I do." Libtard!

The Weekly Standard is reporting that despite his criticism of the NRA school proposal, Meet The Press - David Gregory’s own kids go to a high-security school with armed guards on the premises: "The Gregory children go to school with the children of President Barack Obama, according to the Washington Post. That school is the co-ed Quaker school Sidwell Friends. According to a scan of the school’s online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed. Moreover, with the Obama kids in attendance, there is a secret service presence at the institution, as well."

Not to mention that the Secret Service has a reserve force nearby to respond to any situation as quickly as possible.

 

[tinydancer]

Let's see now.

Armed guards at Sidwell where the President's daughters attend = proper security

Armed guards at Sidwell where David Gregory sends his children = proper security

Rahm Emmanuel's children attend a school with an armed police officer = proper security

Armed guards for other American children = Outrageous, crazy, nuts, what a stupid idea!!!!

Obviously only the most privileged among us deserve to have security for their children.

ETA: The armed guards at Sidwell are Sidwell employees. The Secret Service are separate.

The Gregory children go to school with the children of President Barack Obama, according to the Washington Post. That school is the co-ed Quaker school Sidwell Friends.

According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.

Moreover, with the Obama kids in attendance, there is a secret service presence at the institution, as well.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...s-sends-kids-high-security-school_691057.html

 

[daveman]

Let's see now.

Armed guards at Sidwell where the President's daughters attend = proper security

Armed guards at Sidwell where David Gregory sends his child = proper security

Rahm Emmanuel's children attend a school with an armed police officer = proper security

Armed guards for other American children = Outrageous, crazy, nuts, what a stupid idea!!!!

Obviously only the most privileged among us deserve to have security for their children.

Progressives do love their royalty.

It's because they yearn to be subjects, not citizens.

 

[tinydancer]

Let's see now.

Armed guards at Sidwell where the President's daughters attend = proper security

Armed guards at Sidwell where David Gregory sends his child = proper security

Rahm Emmanuel's children attend a school with an armed police officer = proper security

Armed guards for other American children = Outrageous, crazy, nuts, what a stupid idea!!!!

Obviously only the most privileged among us deserve to have security for their children.

Progressives do love their royalty.

It's because they yearn to be subjects, not citizens.

Every time I think liberals and progressives couldn't possibly be more hypocritical on any given topic, they never cease to amaze me by surpassing their last level of hypocrisy.

This one's a keeper. Yikes.