danielpalos
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I believe we should solve simple poverty on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, to lower our tax burden and improve the efficiency of our economy.
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The hardest work pays the least and is the least steady employment, so I don't buy the 'lazy' narrative.
Why should I believe your assumption that "hard work" is rewarded under any form of Capitalism?
No.The hardest work pays the least and is the least steady employment, so I don't buy the 'lazy' narrative.
So you don't believe that lazy people are more likely to be poor?
Anecdotes instead of valid arguments?Why should I believe your assumption that "hard work" is rewarded under any form of Capitalism?
Personal experience (or lack thereof)?
The hardest work pays the least and is the least steady employment, so I don't buy the 'lazy' narrative.
So you don't believe that lazy people are more likely to be poor?
Why should I believe your assumption that "hard work" is rewarded under any form of Capitalism?
Personal experience (or lack thereof)?
Who says being lazy equates with being poor? What of those working two or three minimum wage jobs? They cannot be expected to be called lazy, nor would they deserve it.As some have stated already there are multiple factors that result in Americans sliding to the bottom end of the scale. In order of importance, this would be my top three:
1. Determination/Ambition. I think you are just born with it.
2. Parental Influence.
3. Intelligence.
So you discount the effect of incentive on behavior? Marx would have agreed with you:
"To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability."
I don't know if they are lazy or not but poor people have no business having kids. I mean come on, if you can't afford to have kids then that means that OTHER people will have to pay for your kids in the form of taxes and welfare, etc. So I think a lot of poor people, especially single mothers, are highly irresponsible.
Do you believe getting a tax preference for capital gains, but not creating Jobs Booms, is responsible?I don't know if they are lazy or not but poor people have no business having kids. I mean come on, if you can't afford to have kids then that means that OTHER people will have to pay for your kids in the form of taxes and welfare, etc. So I think a lot of poor people, especially single mothers, are highly irresponsible.
Or Your Daddy Buying You a Job Through Obsolete Aristocratic EducationIt seems to me that we have been upside down in our thinking, concentrating more on the avoidance of stereotypes, than on the causes and effects resulting in poverty. Is it not undeniable that effort and hard work should be rewarded in our society? Does it not follow that lethargy and slovenliness should not be rewarded?
Since these distinctions are primarily psychological rather than physical, how does making excuses improve this situation?
What's so lazy about refusing to work without pay, which is all college education means?
Who says being lazy equates with being poor? What of those working two or three minimum wage jobs? They cannot be expected to be called lazy, nor would they deserve it.As some have stated already there are multiple factors that result in Americans sliding to the bottom end of the scale. In order of importance, this would be my top three:
1. Determination/Ambition. I think you are just born with it.
2. Parental Influence.
3. Intelligence.
So you discount the effect of incentive on behavior? Marx would have agreed with you:
"To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability."
What of those in areas of high unemployment? The coal fields of West Virginia or the decaying Rust Belt? Lack of opportunity does not mean one is lazy, yet it very well could mean one is poor.
Move to where the jobs are? Fine. Who's going to buy your house? How are you to afford to move hundreds of miles away, find new work, find new housing, get your kids settled and survive until all that happens?
Some are turned out by failing school systems. Schools which did not prepare every student to be competent in this world. Some have had tragedy fall upon them, others hunger. These can lead to serious problems integrating into the work force.
It's far too simplistic to blame the condition of poverty squarely at the feet of lassitude. I will concede that there in lies some of the blame.
And it's far too judgmental to rationalize 'good' and 'bad' behavior alone. Even when there is a strong work ethic, even when a family is in the balance, don't dismiss the problem of poverty as merely 'good' or 'bad' behavior.
An individual CAN improve their own lives. But sometimes they DO need a hand.
And how has that "hand" worked out over the past 50 years?
Why should I believe your assumption that "hard work" is rewarded under any form of Capitalism?
Personal experience (or lack thereof)?
I never got ahead by working hard; I got ahead by gambling, speculation, and luck. A real job is a short track to poverty and early death.
Oh! If it were really that simple! Blame your political opposition and collective bargaining rights. Forget automation, off shoring, bad trade deals, and real estate red lining.Who says being lazy equates with being poor? What of those working two or three minimum wage jobs? They cannot be expected to be called lazy, nor would they deserve it.As some have stated already there are multiple factors that result in Americans sliding to the bottom end of the scale. In order of importance, this would be my top three:
1. Determination/Ambition. I think you are just born with it.
2. Parental Influence.
3. Intelligence.
So you discount the effect of incentive on behavior? Marx would have agreed with you:
"To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability."
What of those in areas of high unemployment? The coal fields of West Virginia or the decaying Rust Belt? Lack of opportunity does not mean one is lazy, yet it very well could mean one is poor.
Move to where the jobs are? Fine. Who's going to buy your house? How are you to afford to move hundreds of miles away, find new work, find new housing, get your kids settled and survive until all that happens?
Some are turned out by failing school systems. Schools which did not prepare every student to be competent in this world. Some have had tragedy fall upon them, others hunger. These can lead to serious problems integrating into the work force.
It's far too simplistic to blame the condition of poverty squarely at the feet of lassitude. I will concede that there in lies some of the blame.
And it's far too judgmental to rationalize 'good' and 'bad' behavior alone. Even when there is a strong work ethic, even when a family is in the balance, don't dismiss the problem of poverty as merely 'good' or 'bad' behavior.
Did you ever stop and think to answer the question why the decaying rust belt and why those jobs moved
I have a hint on the answer idiots who kept voting for democrats and the unions.
The coal mine jobs idiots who voted for democrats and their 30 plus year war on coal, wbo put so many regulations on them it made it more expensive to produce.