Can't believe how long this thread has gone on.
There is NO comparison between England and the United States, none.
The Magna Carta, and the Constitution are different documents.
American citizens aren't giving up their guns, aren't going to apply for a license, aren't going to line up like little sheep, and turn their guns in, it ain't happening, period.
Just as this thread under scores, your pissing in the wind, when you think Americans are giving up their guns, and laying down to GUN CONTROL.
In all fairness to Grump I think you're mischaracterizing his argument.