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...a prominent researcher, Samuel H. Preston, has taken a closer look at the growing body of international data, and he finds no evidence that Americas health care system is to blame for the longevity gap between it and other industrialized countries. In fact, he concludes, the American system in many ways provides superior treatment even when uninsured Americans are included in the analysis.
The U.S. actually does a pretty good job of identifying and treating the major diseases, says Dr. Preston, a demographer at the University of Pennsylvania who is among the leading experts on mortality rates from disease. The international comparisons dont show were in dire straits.
Some recent research shows that lower life expectancy or longevity in America when compared to other industrialized nations is not a result of the health care system. This puts some perspective regarding some of the health care rankings which tend to attribute longevity to a country's health care system.
http://www.nytimes.c...nce/22tier.html
...a prominent researcher, Samuel H. Preston, has taken a closer look at the growing body of international data, and he finds no evidence that Americas health care system is to blame for the longevity gap between it and other industrialized countries. In fact, he concludes, the American system in many ways provides superior treatment even when uninsured Americans are included in the analysis.
The U.S. actually does a pretty good job of identifying and treating the major diseases, says Dr. Preston, a demographer at the University of Pennsylvania who is among the leading experts on mortality rates from disease. The international comparisons dont show were in dire straits.
Some recent research shows that lower life expectancy or longevity in America when compared to other industrialized nations is not a result of the health care system. This puts some perspective regarding some of the health care rankings which tend to attribute longevity to a country's health care system.
http://www.nytimes.c...nce/22tier.html
...a prominent researcher, Samuel H. Preston, has taken a closer look at the growing body of international data, and he finds no evidence that Americas health care system is to blame for the longevity gap between it and other industrialized countries. In fact, he concludes, the American system in many ways provides superior treatment even when uninsured Americans are included in the analysis.
The U.S. actually does a pretty good job of identifying and treating the major diseases, says Dr. Preston, a demographer at the University of Pennsylvania who is among the leading experts on mortality rates from disease. The international comparisons dont show were in dire straits.
Well duh. Don't try convincing the libs, though. That individuals are actually greatly respsonible for their outcomes is a true paradox to them.
Some recent research shows that lower life expectancy or longevity in America when compared to other industrialized nations is not a result of the health care system. This puts some perspective regarding some of the health care rankings which tend to attribute longevity to a country's health care system.
http://www.nytimes.c...nce/22tier.html
Well duh. Don't try convincing the libs, though. That individuals are actually greatly respsonible for their outcomes is a true paradox to them.
Two weeks and no response. Just shows they will ignore this information.
Well duh. Don't try convincing the libs, though. That individuals are actually greatly respsonible for their outcomes is a true paradox to them.
Two weeks and no response. Just shows they will ignore this information.
they just dont believe our lifestyles have anything to do with it.....DUMB.....but what are you going to do?.........
Two weeks and no response. Just shows they will ignore this information.
they just dont believe our lifestyles have anything to do with it.....DUMB.....but what are you going to do?.........
Very nice of you do decide what we liberals believe, or do not believe. Typical for someone that fails to do any research.
So that also explains the fact that we also have a third world infant mortality rate? That our death among our young children from childhood respitory diseases is more than 40 times that of Canada's.
Japan has the highest longevity, France is next, and then comes little Costa Rica. Would you care to compare what each of these nations spend per citizen on health care to what we spend? How about health care as a per centage of their GDP?
Perhaps their dedication to pro-active care may be a significant factor, also.
Two weeks and no response. Just shows they will ignore this information.
they just dont believe our lifestyles have anything to do with it.....DUMB.....but what are you going to do?.........
Very nice of you do decide what we liberals believe, or do not believe. Typical for someone that fails to do any research.
So that also explains the fact that we also have a third world infant mortality rate? That our death among our young children from childhood respitory diseases is more than 40 times that of Canada's.
Japan has the highest longevity, France is next, and then comes little Costa Rica. Would you care to compare what each of these nations spend per citizen on health care to what we spend? How about health care as a per centage of their GDP?
Perhaps their dedication to pro-active care may be a significant factor, also.
So, we have higher teen pregnancies and we have a greater percentage of people who have unhealthy lifestyles. This goes back to the other research from my original post in this thread.In fact, our calculations indicate that if in Canada the distribution of births by birth weight was the same as in the U.S. their infant mortality rate would rise to 7.06 from the observed level of 5.5. Similarly if births in the U.S. had the same distribution by birth-weight as Canadian births, the U.S. infant mortality rate would have been 5.401 instead of 6.85.
Actually, I think you need to do more research behind what you are saying here and not automatically attribute certain health statistics to problems with the US health care system. Here is some research for you about infant mortality: Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S.
I have taken these quotes from this site, which contains some of the research by NBER: What do high infant mortality rates say about the US health care system? « Free Market Mojo
This research said that there are a multitude of behaviors unrelated to the health care system such as substance abuse, smoking and obesity and that these behaviors are connected to the low birth weight and preterm births that underlie the infant death syndrome. They also said that because of their research that the efficacy of health care systems cannot be usefully evaluated by comparisons of infant mortality and life expectancy
Another quote:
So, we have higher teen pregnancies and we have a greater percentage of people who have unhealthy lifestyles. This goes back to the other research from my original post in this thread.In fact, our calculations indicate that if in Canada the distribution of births by birth weight was the same as in the U.S. their infant mortality rate would rise to 7.06 from the observed level of 5.5. Similarly if births in the U.S. had the same distribution by birth-weight as Canadian births, the U.S. infant mortality rate would have been 5.401 instead of 6.85.
By the way, you still have not answered whether Harry was incorrect or not in what he asserted about what liberals believe on this subject. Perhaps you could provide a real answer?
Actually, I think you need to do more research behind what you are saying here and not automatically attribute certain health statistics to problems with the US health care system. Here is some research for you about infant mortality: Health Status, Health Care and Inequality: Canada vs. the U.S.
I have taken these quotes from this site, which contains some of the research by NBER: What do high infant mortality rates say about the US health care system? « Free Market Mojo
This research said that there are a multitude of behaviors unrelated to the health care system such as substance abuse, smoking and obesity and that these behaviors are connected to the low birth weight and preterm births that underlie the infant death syndrome. They also said that because of their research that the efficacy of health care systems cannot be usefully evaluated by comparisons of infant mortality and life expectancy
Another quote:
So, we have higher teen pregnancies and we have a greater percentage of people who have unhealthy lifestyles. This goes back to the other research from my original post in this thread.In fact, our calculations indicate that if in Canada the distribution of births by birth weight was the same as in the U.S. their infant mortality rate would rise to 7.06 from the observed level of 5.5. Similarly if births in the U.S. had the same distribution by birth-weight as Canadian births, the U.S. infant mortality rate would have been 5.401 instead of 6.85.
By the way, you still have not answered whether Harry was incorrect or not in what he asserted about what liberals believe on this subject. Perhaps you could provide a real answer?
dont hold your breath Christopher.....Rocks is the representative of this board on the show "Dancing With The Stars".....you might have heard of him.....Fred "Old Rocks" Astaire....
Facts are that when Canada switched to a single payer system, that there health statistics were virtually identical with ours. Today, they live 3 years longer, and their infant and childhood mortality is far less than ours. It is you dinosaurs that are dancing around the facts. Time to face reality.
they just dont believe our lifestyles have anything to do with it.....DUMB.....but what are you going to do?.........
Very nice of you do decide what we liberals believe, or do not believe. Typical for someone that fails to do any research.
So that also explains the fact that we also have a third world infant mortality rate? That our death among our young children from childhood respitory diseases is more than 40 times that of Canada's.
Japan has the highest longevity, France is next, and then comes little Costa Rica. Would you care to compare what each of these nations spend per citizen on health care to what we spend? How about health care as a per centage of their GDP?
Perhaps their dedication to pro-active care may be a significant factor, also.
well why did you not answer the question i asked earlier Rocks?....once again playing Fred Astair.....Question....does Americas lifestyle of over eating and being to sedentary have anything to do with the health and longevity of the people of this country?.....
Facts are that when Canada switched to a single payer system, that there health statistics were virtually identical with ours. Today, they live 3 years longer, and their infant and childhood mortality is far less than ours. It is you dinosaurs that are dancing around the facts. Time to face reality.
Very nice of you do decide what we liberals believe, or do not believe. Typical for someone that fails to do any research.
So that also explains the fact that we also have a third world infant mortality rate? That our death among our young children from childhood respitory diseases is more than 40 times that of Canada's.
Japan has the highest longevity, France is next, and then comes little Costa Rica. Would you care to compare what each of these nations spend per citizen on health care to what we spend? How about health care as a per centage of their GDP?
Perhaps their dedication to pro-active care may be a significant factor, also.
well why did you not answer the question i asked earlier Rocks?....once again playing Fred Astair.....Question....does Americas lifestyle of over eating and being to sedentary have anything to do with the health and longevity of the people of this country?.....
That question assumes those traits are uniquely American.
If you want to know why not many liberals respond to this is because it is complete garbage.. Let me guess, you stuck your head out your window in the middle of winter, discovered it is cold so that must mean global warming is a hoax?? Typical neotard ideas and theories.. Base everything on anything that remotely goes in their direction.. Even though you don't have a single fact to base it on..
We are DEAD last when it comes to preventable deaths compared to other industrialized nations.. DEAD LAST!!
Preventable Deaths for selected countries, 1997-1998 and 2002-2003, issued 2008
The U.S. has the best health care system in the world
Another website with some interesting facts and explinations..
Oh.. And if it is cold where you live it might be because it is winter... Not because global warming is a hoax.. Just letting you know... I know these simple concepts are hard for rebuttlicans.. But do try.. Liberals like to respond to intelligent debates.. Not trash taking up space on a forum..
...a prominent researcher, Samuel H. Preston, has taken a closer look at the growing body of international data, and he finds no evidence that Americas health care system is to blame for the longevity gap between it and other industrialized countries. In fact, he concludes, the American system in many ways provides superior treatment even when uninsured Americans are included in the analysis.
The U.S. actually does a pretty good job of identifying and treating the major diseases, says Dr. Preston, a demographer at the University of Pennsylvania who is among the leading experts on mortality rates from disease. The international comparisons dont show were in dire straits.
If you want to know why not many liberals respond to this is because it is complete garbage.. Let me guess, you stuck your head out your window in the middle of winter, discovered it is cold so that must mean global warming is a hoax?? Typical neotard ideas and theories.. Base everything on anything that remotely goes in their direction.. Even though you don't have a single fact to base it on..
We are DEAD last when it comes to preventable deaths compared to other industrialized nations.. DEAD LAST!!
Preventable Deaths for selected countries, 1997-1998 and 2002-2003, issued 2008
The U.S. has the best health care system in the world
Another website with some interesting facts and explinations..
Oh.. And if it is cold where you live it might be because it is winter... Not because global warming is a hoax.. Just letting you know... I know these simple concepts are hard for rebuttlicans.. But do try.. Liberals like to respond to intelligent debates.. Not trash taking up space on a forum..
well why did you not answer the question i asked earlier Rocks?....once again playing Fred Astair.....Question....does Americas lifestyle of over eating and being to sedentary have anything to do with the health and longevity of the people of this country?.....
That question assumes those traits are uniquely American.
No, it does not assume that. America having a higher percentage of its population with unhealthy lifestyles makes it unique and something to consider when looking at health statistics. You did not look at the research on American longevity and its relationship (or lack thereof) to American health care presented in this thread, did you?
