America is a republic, not a democracy

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    Back in the day as school children we used to start the day with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.... Does anyone remember that?

    America is a Republic, a constitutional Republic of a democratic (one man - one vote) nature. However, we are not a democracy where the majority rules.

    CITIZENSHIP Democracy:

    A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

    CITIZENSHIP Republic:

    Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

    (1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

    Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

    Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."



    "By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.



    WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL

    A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.

    "Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive."

    Westbrook Pegler: New York Journal American, January 25th and 26th, 1951, under the titles- Upholds Republic of U.S. Against Phony Democracy, Democracy in the U.S. Branded Meaningless

    REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS
     
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    False dilemma premised on extreme "purist" application of concepts.
     
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    It's a representative republic with democratically elected representatives.

    The words "Democracy," "Democratic" or "Democrat" do not appear in any of our founding documents, not in the Articles of Confederation, not in the Declaration of Independence, not in the Constitution.

    "Republican" and "Republic" however, interestingly, do.
     
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    Interesting. But, is the OP fer it or agin it?
     
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    Actually, a majority, or more precisely, a supermajority rules under the Constitution.

    Anything can be added or subtracted from the Constitution via the amendment process. The rights of minorities, to the extent they exist in and are protected by the Constitution,

    could be disappeared by amendment.
     
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    Yes, the founding fathers did not want true democracy. That's why the only citizens who were allowed to vote were white male property owners.
     
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    Proof once again that libs can not accept facts.
    Facts are facts, opinions can be wrong or right and can be discussed and argued over but facts can not. :eusa_whistle:
     
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    All property owners not just whites.There was Free Black property owners who also owned slaves and were able to vote.
     
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    Spouting off an argument with flawed reasoning, then saying "it's a fact" does not make it so. :lol: His post posits a false dilemma. He suggests that US must be either a Republic or a Democracy, but that it cannot be both. He demands that only extreme "purist" definitions of concepts can be valid. This is logical fallacy.

    The US is both a Republic and a Democracy. The two do not need to be mutually exclusive as he suggests. Our system of government employs the basic essence of both concepts. We govern as a REPUBLIC, i.e. we have individuals who represent larger groups. Those representatives are selected DEMOCRATICALLY, i.e. they are selected by the people of the jurisdiction.
     
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    Actually, a majority, or more precisely, a super majority rules under the Constitution. (NYCarbineer)

    If this were a democracy your statement would be true NYC. Thank God that isn't the case. Our forefathers wanted a representative (democratic) system, not a pure democracy, and they did not establish a democracy in the Constitution, they established a Republic, a Constitutional Republic.

    One only needs log on to Home » cpusa to find communistic concepts such as the majority rules, and fair share. This is all explained in their communist manifesto which is available on this web site. The communists party's plans for the socialization of the American Society is clearly outlined in this text. It makes an interesting read, and will clarify what is happening in our country today. One should always be aware of what the enemy is up to.
     
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