America before the EPA

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    How about the rivers that used to catch fire.....

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtqSvwyNsQ]Cuyahoga River burning, 1969: My experience - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Yup the rivers don't burn anymore, there are requirements for disposing chemicals and the air is cleaner than it has been since the 20's. All good, but now it's grown to where a friggin owl can put thousands of loggers out of work, it takes 10 years to get an oil field in operation and a naturally occurring gas is a pollutant. Give a bureaucracy the power to write law and it will become a monster.
     
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    Bullshit.

    Ever heard of fracking....

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A]CAN YOU DO THIS WITH YOUR TAP WATER? - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Yep.

    When a thick fog engulfed London from December 5 to December 9, 1952, it mixed with black smoke emitted from homes and factories to create a deadly smog. This smog killed approximately 12,000 people and shocked the world into starting the environmental movement.

    A study in 1956 reported, in the 35 worst-affected smog areas in the US, there were 15,000 more pneumonia deaths over eight years than the national average.

    Burning Rivers reported on the increase in 1952.

    Air pollution kills in Donora, Pennsylvania. An unusual temperature inversion lasting six days blocks dispersal of emissions from zinc smelting and blast furnaces. Out of a total population of 14,000 people, 20 die, 600 others become ill, and 1400 seek medical attention.

    Visibility is drastically reduced by dense smog in Los Angeles. Air pollution is blamed for causing 2000 auto accidents in a single day.

    A group of University of Southern California students watch as the tie worn by one student changes color before their eyes. Later, chemical engineers determined that dyes in the fabric of the tie reacted with certain air pollutants occurring at particularly high levels that day

    In New York City, a three-day temperature inversion over Thanksgiving weekend is blamed for the deaths of 168 people.

    Sulfur dioxide pollution emitted by industries near Gary, Indiana and East Chicago becomes potent acid rain that burns lawns, eats away tree leaves, and causes birds to lose their feathers.
     
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    All wonderful stuff.
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEB_Wwe-uBM&feature=related]Fracking Hell: The Untold Story - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    You do know that can also happen in areas where the gas bearing strata are naturally shallow and fragmented? Also this can occur from biogenic methane, not those from natural gas.

    Finally, yes you have to regulate hydrofracking to make sure it is done away from any aquifers, and that you regulate the waste products. But regulate is not the same as making the rules so difficult that you de facto ban the practice, instead of going for a de jure ban.

    The EPA has its place, the problem is that it has taken care of the big stuff, so in its own eyes, it has to keep proving its need by going into areas it doesnt have to.
     
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    I see the same thing driving over the Delaware Memorial Bridge into New Jersey in the morning.

    Ever see the sun/smog in Los Angeles in the morning? Try it - anytime.

    Your fucking point is what ?
     
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