America at the Rubicon

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    For the past 40 years - roughly the period of time that Democrats have been an unserious confederacy - Republicans have grown used to a certain smallness in chief executives from the opposition party. Jimmy Carter gave us a sense of malaise. With Bill Clinton, it was a kind of repellent amusement. All things considered, it was hard to feel too threatened when there was a through-the-looking-glass quality to the man in the Oval Office.

    Not so Barack Obama. Talk to conservatives throughout America and you'll hear two emotions: fear and sadness. Fear because many believe that the president's agenda represents an inflection point in the nation's history. Sadness because there is a lingering suspicion that once down this road we can never turn back.

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    America at the Rubicon
     
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    Rather curious that when FDR was handed the mess the republicans created at the beginning of the last century, the same cries came from the same people who screwed up. So now nearly 80 years later after roughly 30 years of republican failure the same cries reappear. It demonstrates one fact and one fact only, republicans are the best whiners in the world and when out of power their whining even improves. Whining is their forte, done with gusto and verve.

    ROTFLMAO "Why Conservatives Can't Govern" by Alan Wolfe


    Summary
    Timeline of the Great Depression
    The Great Depression, to 1935
    The Main Causes of the Great Depression
    Stiff upper lip.
     
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    BO is no different from Jimmy or Bubba.

    The problem is he has that near fillibuster proof majority in the senate so there is no check on him.
     
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    Absolutely right. No going back. You people so screwed up the last eight years that the American People want no more of your lies and incompetance. And we are going to get a society that is better for all citizens, not just designed for the very wealthy and parasitical citizens.
     
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    Seems to me that some of you are missing (or intentionally overlooking) the fact that Obama is indeed turning the screw.... clockwise rather than counter-clockwise....
     
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    If the country and world had remained economically stagnant in the years before and after the Great Depression, this article might hold water. It did not.

    The article implies, by saying that during the 20's the rich got and the poor got poorer that there was a huge problem with the economy and that the government needed to come to the rescue and save the economy from itself.

    It also says that one of the basic problems is that productivily was too high and that there were just too many goods to purchase. Too much bread is one thing that it cites.

    It villifies Henry Ford because he became rich. It says nothing about creating a middle class putting automobiles all over the world.

    Has the writing of Dickens or the historical accounts of famine escaped the notice of this guy and those like him? For those who see a stable or diminishing size of the pie, this article would make sense. For those who see that the lot of the middle and lower classes has never been better than it is right now, a question might arise.

    What has made this time so good?

    Simply making the rich less rich does not make the poor less poor. The creation of wealth is what Capitalism accomplishes. When Henry Ford doubled the wages of his work force, was that a bad thing? When his work force left the farms to come to the city to seek a better life, was this a bad thing? When the middle class rose, was this a bad thing?

    Government was lax in the regulation of the banking industry then as now, but this is not a condemnation of the idea of modern Capitalism. The vision of Marx and the reality of the systems of government he defined are not the same. With the government of today nationalizing the whole country, we are at a crossroads that may well see the end to the American superiority in the world.

    This superiority is based on the wealth generating machine that is our economy. It has been the goal of many to dismantle that machine for decades. Those that have been swept along by the energy of that machine now wonder why they are not swept along more robustly and will applaud as the machine is destroyed then cry that their movement has stopped altogether.

    The American worker and the refugee in Africa with flies crawling on his face are differentiated by geography. Nothing more.
     
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    True enough.

    American became a great and powerful nation because it devised an economic system which insured a great and powerful INDUSTRIAL BASE which spawned a great and powerful MIDDLE CLASS, and a great and powerful CAPITALIST CLASS at EXACTLY the same time.

    That is true, also.

    And the primary way we have done that that damage to our economy is by imposing FREE TRADE POLICIES on what was once the most productive and wealthy economy in the world.

    The results of that goofy and long term mistaken notion that FREE TRADE would benefit America are growing very obvious after almost 60 years of making that mistake one most favored trading partner at a time, at first, and then by entire regions (as in NAFTA) more recently.
     

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