America: An Open Hand, Or A Closed Fist?

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    I like it when we as Americans are challenged... when the chips are down, we show what we are made of. Sadly, with the country split 50/50 at this point, there are two sets of challenges, two sets of chips, two vastly different answers at times from two sets of people divided. Darfur is a matter with which we can move beyond that 50/50 divide. Will Pres. Bush after his reelection move us beyond that divide by taking action in Darfur? I hear many who say liberals would complain, but liberals are only 10-15% of the population. I don't care anymore about them so much as I do about that 85% of the nation that isn't liberal and that wouldn't complain, but answer the president's call to action if he issued it. Until that moment, who are we?

    for one, maybe a few of those pathetic liberals would support the president. here is one and she makes a powerful point.
     
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    We can do no greater work than to help others in trouble. This is the calling of American strength: the helpless must be saved.

    "This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." -Dalai Lama
     
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    onedomino:

    That's a great sig. An old, uncredited proverb I once heard went something like:

    "Kindness is more important than wisdom. Realizing this is the first step on the road to wisdom."
     
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    So what is being done? I don’t see or hear much about this issue in the news.

    I was reading one of the religious posts; someone was saying something about “you will be judged on how you treated the least among you”.

    If these people were Jews or light skinned and the attackers were dark skinned, something would have been done already. Americans can’t place them selves in their shoes, or identify with the people being killed.

    From what history has shown us so far, people are continuing to act in their own self-interest.
    Most Americans were not willing to act against the Nazis, even though they knew genocide was taking place. It wasn’t until their own soil came under attack, were they willing to support the president’s decision to go to war.

    What people don’t realize is that all these conflicts affect us directly or indirectly. Like Bad Karma it will find its way back to you. Productive lives are lost, resources are wasted, new ruthless breeds of killers are born, and new destructive techniques are refined or developed. Evil minds are watching this conflict and learning from it, learning how much you can get away with before the world notices.
     
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    the biggest tragegy imo is that America has not united after
    the attack. The partisan bickering for power has clouded
    the reality that the enemy makes no distinction about
    the north or south , the liberals or conservatives.

    America was divided by the civil war and did not suffer
    the losses the European suffered in WW2.

    In the postwar consensus the European democratic countries
    realized to optimize their strength they have to unite the populace.

    It led for some time to the rise of socialism. THe victory of
    industrial capitalism led by the Us is slowly changing the EU.

    the US now under attack by the islamist extremist should
    put the bickering aside to crush the enemy and unite

    Well one can dream.
     
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    Sometimes I think the big political scene is just a diversion. Oftentimes when one story is in the spotlight, another goes nearly unmentioned. Darfur, because of the magnitude of the tragedy, will have our attention one day. We will act shocked and wonder how could we have let this happen.
     
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    Agreed-----the US cannot even heal itself much less another nation or people.
     
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    i seem to recall the nation was together and quite united for quite some time....bushies ratings were through the roof...after a respefctful morning period the media lit in to him and split the country

    this just in: busshie up by 2 in PA
     
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    All I know is that it's not possible to intervene in every situation around the world. Not even the US has enough resources to do that. But just because it's not possible to intervene in all situations doesn't mean that nothing should be done in any situation. The US should intervene when it can.

    I also think it's strange how the same people who are critical of US actions in one case are the same ones who are critical of US inaction in other cases. Then, you have people like Michael Moore who imply that it's all about oil or some other ulterior motive (he even said this about Afghanistan, which is much more ridiculous than saying the same about Iraq, which is also ridiculous). That's also what he would say about the Sudan situation, so you just can't win either way.

    Why does it always have to be the US anyway? Why doesn't the US-hating UN do something? Where are the other countries? Maybe instead of sitting around hating and blaming the US, they could get off their collective asses and do something.
     
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    Well other countries frankly don't have the military presence we have. The UN is what I would call a pretend army. Thier there but action of the UN is almost unheard of. Thier more for rescue missions when someone whos there and shouldn't be. Hopefully after this we'll once again be a reunited nation and not let this election tear us apart.
     

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