Agna:

[PubliusInfinitum]

Present proof of your 'mathematical fact

For the second time:

Where's that mathematical proof?

Well lets see... there's 6 billion human beings on the planet... and the two of you are posting in duplicate syntax along precisely the same species of reasoning... espousing the same conclusions from such; which, without going too deep, it seems fairly unlikely... I'd say something on the order of several hundreds of million:1

 

[JBeukema]

Has it been explained specifically how justice would be administered in an anarcho-communistic society?

Not really, aside from independent, autonomous entities with no apparent oversight.

Some semblance of centralized authority seems necessary if members of a society are to be able to protect themselves from any large-scale internal or external threat.

That is a fatal flaw of all confederation. Again, see the Articles of Confederation, the CSA, or the UN for examples of why confederacy does not work.

Additionally, how would production be directed to ensure that basic needs were met in the absence of any central authority?

'Wisdom of the crowd'

Ho

w would different "war committees" effectively coordinate troop movements without one party somehow imposing its will on others?

I asked this earlier, in slightly different words: where do the armies come from, and who leads them?


he has offered no answer

As ideal as such a society sounds, it seems to be dependent on an unrealistically high degree of cooperation.

again, human nature gets in the way... If the 'heart' of man were such as to allow for such a system- no system would be needed in the first place

In my opinion, a form of syndicalism with some sort of central legislating body would be more viable.

I am not familiar with the term... can you link to an explanation or provide one in brief?

 

[JBeukema]

Present proof of your 'mathematical fact

For the second time:

Where's that mathematical proof?

Well lets see... there's 6 billion human beings on the planet... and the two of you are posting in duplicate syntax along precisely the same species of reasoning... espousing the same conclusions from such; which, without going too deep, it seems fairly unlikely... I'd say something on the order of several hundreds of million:1

That is not a mathematical proof. It simply posts irrelevant numbers and concludes with 'I'd say...'
Your stupidity is showing again

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Has it been explained specifically how justice would be administered in an anarcho-communistic society?

Not really, aside from independent, autonomous entities with no apparent oversight.

ROFL...

Oh this is surely going to anger the left brain...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Present proof of your 'mathematical fact

For the second time:

Where's that mathematical proof?

That is not a mathematical proof. It simply posts irrelevant numbers and concludes with 'I'd say...'
Your stupidity is showing again

Oh... I see, so you're wanting to refute my argument, be declaring it's not a valid mathematical calculation... but it is valid reasoning which correlates to a sound mathematical reference.

Now I suppose if you trotted out a valid mathematical calculation wherein, out of 6 billion people, two people were to come to the same website in the manner which you two 'screen names' appeared; to post in precisely the same syntax, or rhetorical mannerisms, coming to complimentary conclusions within a ridiculously islolated and uncommon subject matter, well then I suppose you'd have a fine argument there...

But my position does speak to reasonable mathematical conclusions and will stand as unchallenged until a superior calculation comes along which refutes it...

And FTR: 'That's not a sufficient calculation' isn't such a refutation, sis...

But good luck with that...

And just as an encouragement, I think if we do come up with someone that wants to bang that one out... the specific odds aren't going to work out for ya any better than those I supposed... but you don't let me slow ya down... as I can see that you're all over it... specifically where you hoped to slim down your odds, by pointing to the limited number of people on this site... which in fact, actually worked against your argument... DUMBASS!

 

[JBeukema]

Oh... I see, so you're wanting to refute my argument, be declaring it's not a valid mathematical calculation...

You declared a 'mathematical certainty'; no you must present a valid mathematical proof

-which wouldn't include 'I'd say' and a 'guesstimate'

 

[Kalam]

Has it been explained specifically how justice would be administered in an anarcho-communistic society?

Not really, aside from independent, autonomous entities with no apparent oversight.

Some semblance of centralized authority seems necessary if members of a society are to be able to protect themselves from any large-scale internal or external threat.

That is a fatal flaw of all confederation. Again, see the Articles of Confederation, the CSA, or the UN for examples of why confederacy does not work.
'Wisdom of the crowd'

HoI asked this earlier, in slightly different words: where do the armies come from, and who leads them?


he has offered no answer

As ideal as such a society sounds, it seems to be dependent on an unrealistically high degree of cooperation.

again, human nature gets in the way... If the 'heart' of man were such as to allow for such a system- no system would be needed in the first place

In my opinion, a form of syndicalism with some sort of central legislating body would be more viable.

I am not familiar with the term... can you link to an explanation or provide one in brief?

I'll link you:

Syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Has it been explained specifically how justice would be administered in an anarcho-communistic society?

Not really, aside from independent, autonomous entities with no apparent oversight.

That is a fatal flaw of all confederation. Again, see the Articles of Confederation, the CSA, or the UN for examples of why confederacy does not work.
'Wisdom of the crowd'

HoI asked this earlier, in slightly different words: where do the armies come from, and who leads them?


he has offered no answer

again, human nature gets in the way... If the 'heart' of man were such as to allow for such a system- no system would be needed in the first place

In my opinion, a form of syndicalism with some sort of central legislating body would be more viable.

I am not familiar with the term... can you link to an explanation or provide one in brief?

I'll link you:

Syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is basically fascism... which is leftism, which is the same half measured, principleless nonsense for which this idiot has advocated for in all of her many incarnations...

 

[JBeukema]

Syndicalism is a type of economic system proposed as a replacement for capitalism and state socialism which uses federations of collectivist trade unions. For adherents, labor unions are the potential means of both overcoming capitalist exploitation of the workers and running society fairly in the interest of the majority. Industry in a syndicalist system would be run through co-operative alliances and mutual aid. Local syndicates would communicate with other syndicates through the Bourse du Travail (labor exchange) which would manage and transfer commodities.

Which id different from Agna's proposition, how? Woudln't you have the exact same problems?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Oh... I see, so you're wanting to refute my argument, be declaring it's not a valid mathematical calculation...

You declared a 'mathematical certainty'; no you must present a valid mathematical proof

-which wouldn't include 'I'd say' and a 'guesstimate'

ROFL... Again you come to claim that a guestimate which is based upon sound mathematical principle does not demonstrate a mathematical certainty...

This is simply false... The same argument can be applied to the odds of probability that establish the mathematical certainty that tomorrow morning, the sun will apparently rise in the east...

Again Ag, you're running to argumentum ad ignorantum; the appeal to ignorance, which says that ignorance created by the absence of the proper mathmatical calculation, discredits the argument. It does not... the calculation exists and it is reasonable to apply the principles on which the calculation rests, which I've done above by noting the base criteria and from that criteria, supposed a reasoned conclusion from that criteria...

But given that what you're doing is grounds for a perm ban, no one could blame your exceptionally flawed character from trying to avoid such...

I realize that you're placing a ton of faith in your proxy server, but if the admin's curiosity is sufficiently piqued, it won't sustain much of an investigation...

And no... non of your manifestations will be missed...

 

[Kalam]

Not really, aside from independent, autonomous entities with no apparent oversight.

That is a fatal flaw of all confederation. Again, see the Articles of Confederation, the CSA, or the UN for examples of why confederacy does not work.
'Wisdom of the crowd'

HoI asked this earlier, in slightly different words: where do the armies come from, and who leads them?


he has offered no answer

again, human nature gets in the way... If the 'heart' of man were such as to allow for such a system- no system would be needed in the first place

I am not familiar with the term... can you link to an explanation or provide one in brief?

I'll link you:

Syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is basically fascism...

Fascism involves highly centralized state power, fanatical nationalism, total suppression of any political opposition, and a strictly defined social hierarchy. Syndicalism has a grand total of zero of those cardinal properties.

Seriously, dude, forgoing critical thought and brainlessly labeling anything that contradicts your beliefs "fascism" or "leftism" is lame. At least attempt to put forth some sort of meaningful criticism.

 

[Kalam]

Syndicalism is a type of economic system proposed as a replacement for capitalism and state socialism which uses federations of collectivist trade unions. For adherents, labor unions are the potential means of both overcoming capitalist exploitation of the workers and running society fairly in the interest of the majority. Industry in a syndicalist system would be run through co-operative alliances and mutual aid. Local syndicates would communicate with other syndicates through the Bourse du Travail (labor exchange) which would manage and transfer commodities.

Which id different from Agna's proposition, how? Woudln't you have the exact same problems?

In my imagining of it, at least, the central body would actually have some direct powers.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

I'll link you:

Syndicalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is basically fascism...

Fascism involves highly centralized state power, fanatical nationalism, total suppression of any political opposition, and a strictly defined social hierarchy. Syndicalism has a grand total of zero of those cardinal properties.

Seriously, dude, forgoing critical thought and brainlessly labeling anything that contradicts your beliefs "fascism" or "leftism" is lame. At least attempt to put forth some sort of meaningful criticism.

ROFL... Yeah I hear ya... cause such a syndicate would come to power in a vacuum, with no nationalist bent... and who could argue that such a syndicate would need be a function of default highly centralized... which again as a function of default would be prone to suppressing any political opposition...

I expect that such a syndicate would just materialize out of the ether and would in NO WAY represent the combining of industry with governance to provide for greater control by the 'worker'... which is the working definition of and the historical means by which fascism came to power and is presently coming to power in the US...

So why don't you keep your limited Muslim intellect focused on your false God towards preparing yourself for an etermity of anguish and torment... and leave the thinking to those who aren't saddled with such intellectual limitations... sis.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Syndicalism is a type of economic system proposed as a replacement for capitalism and state socialism which uses federations of collectivist trade unions. For adherents, labor unions are the potential means of both overcoming capitalist exploitation of the workers and running society fairly in the interest of the majority. Industry in a syndicalist system would be run through co-operative alliances and mutual aid. Local syndicates would communicate with other syndicates through the Bourse du Travail (labor exchange) which would manage and transfer commodities.

Which id different from Agna's proposition, how? Woudln't you have the exact same problems?

In my imagining of it, at least, the central body would actually have some direct powers.

The Central body would have ALL of the power, direct or otherwise... as do their more traditional fascist predecessors...

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Let the record reflect that Ag has offered a flaccid little neg rep which DARES me to ask the admin to run an 'IP check' LOL... which of course is wht the user of the Proxy server would DEMAND!

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious...

 

[JBeukema]

Again Ag

you need help

You stated that it was a 'mathematical certainty' that Agna and I are the same person- you must demonstrate through mathematical calculation that is it impossible for us to be two separate persons.

That, you you could just stfu with your bullshit

But given that what you're doing is grounds for a perm ban, no one could blame your exceptionally flawed character from trying to avoid such...

Right... Go ahead... PM Gunny, KK, or Del with your hypothesis and see what response toy get

I realize that you're placing a ton of faith in your proxy server, but if the admin's curiosity is sufficiently piqued, it won't sustain much of an investigation...

If Gunny were the type to ban someone without a damn good reason and actual proof, morons like you wouldn't be here

 

[JBeukema]

In my imagining of it, at least, the central body would actually have some direct powers.

So, the main difference from a federated republic as we have been using the term is the market (socialism and no protections for private property)?

 

[Kalam]

ROFL... Yeah I hear ya... cause such a syndicate would come to power in a vacuum, with no nationalist bent... and who could argue that such a syndicate would need be a function of default highly centralized... which again as a function of default would be prone to suppressing any political opposition...

Did you bother reading the article or doing any actual research into what syndicalism entails? I'm not advocating any sort of revolutionary change at this point; I'm simply describing what I believe to be an ideal system of governance.

I expect that such a syndicate would just materialize out of the ether and would in NO WAY represent the combining of industry with governance... which is the working definition of fascism...

As often as you seem to use a thesaurus, I would think that you'd have access to a dictionary as well.

So why don't you keep your limited Muslim intellect focused on your false God towards preparing yourself for an etermity of anguish and torment... and leave the thinking to those who aren't saddled with such intellectual limitations... sis.

My friend, I'm generally not one to speculatively compare my own intellectual abilities with those of others, but I can say with confidence that you're either less intelligent than everyone else posting in this thread or doing a damn fine job of making it seem that way.

As for attributing any intellectual limitations I may have to my religious beliefs, I think you'll find that mine are far more rational than yours. You'll also find that you owe a fairly sizable debt to "limited Muslim intellect" for all of the innovations it has produced.

 

[Agnapostate]

So, the main difference from a federated republic as we have been using the term is the market (socialism and no protections for private property)?

As I already noted, the market is merely a device for allocating resources and is not specific to the socialist economy. My own preferred system is marketless anarchist communism, but the market is fully compatible with the socialist economy. It's also fallacious to assume that socialist economic structure necessitates the abolition of all property rights; it's necessary to draw a distinction between "private property" and "personal possession." It's indeed the case that resources substantive enough to be used to employ coercive wage labor (private property) would be expropriated and collectivized, but personal possessions are sharply distinct from such resources.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Again Ag

you need help

You stated that it was a 'mathematical certainty' that Agna and I are the same person- you must demonstrate through mathematical calculation that is it impossible for us to be two separate persons.

It been done... now three times...

But given that what you're doing is grounds for a perm ban, no one could blame your exceptionally flawed character from trying to avoid such...

Right... Go ahead... PM Gunny, KK, or Del with your hypothesis and see what response toy get

When the Gunny wants you gone, you'll be gone... He does his thing I do mine...

And I don't give a damn that you've decided to argue with yourself sis... I've only noted how pathetic it is... but its understandable... you think you've stumbled into this really neat little scheme and due to your intellectual limitations you're unable to see that it's obvious falta flaws; and given that most people are not so limited, you've worn the issue out and no one else wants to play anymore... so you dredge up one of the psuedonyms you used when you were banned, to chat yourself and this long discredited farce up...

More power to ya... I recommend you two go to TONS of other threads and try this... And I'm sure that your proxy wall will hold up for MINUTES...

Here's the bad news... The Gunny's a fair guy, so he doesn't go out of his way looking for people who screw the system... but he isn't a moron... and when you fail to muster the discipline to not misuse your little tool... he'll figure it out, with no help from me and your ass will be GONE... He'll just utilize the tools at his disposal to identify you and you'll get a few posts in here and there and when he finds your system, he'll bounce you again...

And you can buy new PCs, install new modems, change carriers, try different proxy servers and he'll still bounce your ass...

But hey... I say live and let live, until someone proves themselves incapable of GETTING ALONG... and its just my observation that you're Allllllmost there; that's all...

I realize that you're placing a ton of faith in your proxy server, but if the admin's curiosity is sufficiently piqued, it won't sustain much of an investigation...

If Gunny were the type to ban someone without a damn good reason and actual proof, morons like you wouldn't be here

Well you just keep repeating that, sis... I'm sure it will be a lot of comfort to ya when that proxy net falls out from under your ass...