After The Veto - What Now

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Your right about our quality of men and weapons. But Your very childish to say that the US can not lose a war when it has been done several times before. If that were true, the civil war would still be going on with no winner. And you are also wrong about the US winning every single battle in Vietnam.

Its not the men that are the problem, its the military strategy that is the problem! Strategy kept us from victory in Vietnam. But then again, we didnt lose that war, the south vietnamize lost that war. Right?
 
and when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan Pres Peanut stood tall and pulled the US out of the Olympics

That sent 'em a message
 
Your right about our quality of men and weapons. But Your very childish to say that the US can not lose a war when it has been done several times before. And you are also wrong about the US winning every single battle in Vietnam.

Its not the men that are the problem, its the military strategy that is the problem! Strategy kept us from victory in Vietnam. But then again, we didnt lose that war, the south vietnamize lost that war. Right?

If Dems would have let the US militray fight the war the way it needed to be fought - the US would not have left before the job was finished
 
Before the job was finished? The vietnam war lasted over 12 years! How much time do you need to finish the job?!?!?

And it wasnt just occupation, and fending off insurgents. It was straight up fighting an ongoing 12 year war!
 
If Dems would have let the US militray fight the war the way it needed to be fought - the US would not have left before the job was finished

Here are a few facts from a NVA colonel that will drive the libs crazy...

How North Vietnam Won The War
Taken from The Wall Street Journal, Thursday August 3, 1995
What did the North Vietnamese leadership think of the American antiwar movement? What was the purpose of the Tet Offensive? How could the U.S. have been more successful in fighting the Vietnam War? Bui Tin, a former colonel in the North Vietnamese army, answers these questions in the following excerpts from an interview conducted by Stephen Young, a Minnesota attorney and human-rights activist. Bui Tin, who served on the general staff of North Vietnam's army, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. He later became editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of Vietnam. He now lives in Paris, where he immigrated after becoming disillusioned with the fruits of Vietnamese communism.

Question: How did Hanoi intend to defeat the Americans?
Answer: By fighting a long war which would break their will to help South Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh said, "We don't need to win military victories, we only need to hit them until they give up and get out."

Q: Was the American antiwar movement important to Hanoi's victory?
A: It was essential to our strategy. Support of the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda, and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.

Q: Did the Politburo pay attention to these visits?
A: Keenly.

Q: Why?
A: Those people represented the conscience of America. The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.

Q: How could the Americans have won the war?
A: Cut the Ho Chi Minh trail inside Laos. If Johnson had granted [Gen. William] Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.


http://www.grunt.com/Scuttlebutt/corps-stories/Vietnam/north.asp

Kind of says it all. In my opinion, this is the greatest parallel between Iraq and VietNam...the libs and politicians lose America's wars, not the military.
 
For all the rhetoric about "facts" and "history" one would think we would be treated to the entire story...like when we first became involved in VietNam (1950) or how the war ended....simple things like that.

Libs prefer to read and recite their revised version of history

Sort of like in Congress - libs reserve the right to revise and extend their remarks
 
the ACCURATE version. LYING is very contagious among cons lately.

"Accurate" is absolutely correct. Seems to me that on this particular issue it's not the 'cons' who tried a bit of subterfuge. To be fair, I realize that "spin" is not considered as lying by many. I don't suppose you wish to correct yourself regarding VietNam? I thought not.
 
Right, ultimate truth lies in an interview with one single person who is not the president of anything? And most likely did not pick up a gun and fight in battle. Why dont you pull out an interview of an american soldier DURING Viet nam?

I thought not.
 
If they believe they are in the right, thus should be setting terms, they should refuse to fund it, veto or not. The veto didn't stop them yesterday, shouldn't regarding cutting funding either.

There is no way that Democrats are going to cut funding for our troops, veto or not. It is a matter of principle and the principle is that we will continue to fund our sons and daughters in Iraq even if it means Bush will veto the will of the American people. Congress instead will continue to do what is necessary to protect our soldiers from George Bush, the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq and if you don't like it than that is your problem but the funding for our soldiers will not be cut you fucking traitor.
 
the ACCURATE version- not the embellished and sugar-coated one used by cons to try to defend their pathetic positions.
 

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