According to the Bible...

[jillian]

Homosexuality, ike bestiality is a sexual fetish, not a sexual orientation. Its simply a case of two men/two women who like to have homosexual/lesbian sex, no more no less. And what about those pedophiles who want to marry and have sex with underage children? What about people who feel they're sexually and emotionally attracted to their brother/sister? They'll be the next ones asking and demanding marriage and property rights. These people are anomalies of nature in their sexual attractions, why should they be rewarded?

Er... because nothing you said is accurate. Mostly, I wonder why you'd care.

Cheers.

 

[Shogun]

Well its quite obvious that anyone who lives a sinful lifestyle is unfit to be a pastor and or other position in the church. The Bible should be and is the lone authority on who qualifies to be a clergyman/woman, people just can't bend and misinterpret the scripture as they see fit.

how so? isn't it true that WE ALL FALL SHORT of the glory of god and that you are judging, despite being specifically told not to, homosexuality as a greater sin than your own (when we both know that all sin is equal)?


Funny that you mention bending and interpreting scripture to fit an agenda though. For real.. that statement is so ironic that i'll pass on all the pharisee christian jokes.

 

[Shogun]

The Word of God is God's Word given through inspiration of the Holy Spirit and in both the New and Old Testament homosexuality is forbideen, there are no examples of homosexual clergyman in the Bible, and or homosexuals who were seen as devout worshippers of God.

there are no examples of jesus rising up and using Roman politics to mandate the application of the word of god either. There are no left handed people mentioned OR down syndrome kids either.. should we assume that THEY dont count either?


Corky is going to HELL

 

[Shogun]

No where in the Bible does anyone practice chattel slavery intermingled with a touch of white supremacy, so homosexuals can't make concurrent arguments about slavery to justify homosexual marriage. This is just senseless twisting of the Bible.

are you kidding me? SLAVERY intermingled with WHITE SUPREMECY? who the hell was WHITE in the mid east then anyway? How does an ethnic prerequisite validate slavery? I mean, I'll drop some OT quotes right now if you wanna talk about twisting of scriputre, dude.

 

[Shogun]

Marriage is a sacred, ie , Holy sacrament, not just some Constitutional thing. It was based on Biblical principals, just like all the laws we have in America. Here in Mississippi, 86% of voters rejected homosexual marriage because these people are making mockery of something that is sacred.

marriage was actually based on property rights, dude. Marriage predates your bible. All the laws in the US are no more based on the bible than they are based on Micheal Buffer's ringside announcement.

And, believe it or not, the Constitution doesn't respect your faith. Review the very first amendment.

 

[Shogun]

Oh my, so two men who love to have anal sex should have legal property rights the same as a heterosexual couple? Next, people will be fighting to marry their siblings and marry their animals, one bad thing leads to another.

Yes they should. Can you prove that one bad thing leads to another or should we just take your word for it?

Gays have been around forever. limiting their equal treatment in the eyes of our common government won't change that.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

how so? isn't it true that WE ALL FALL SHORT of the glory of god and that you are judging, despite being specifically told not to, homosexuality as a greater sin than your own (when we both know that all sin is equal)?


Funny that you mention bending and interpreting scripture to fit an agenda though. For real.. that statement is so ironic that i'll pass on all the pharisee christian jokes.

Of corse no one is perfect but the Bible lays out the the qualifications for offices in the church:

1 Timothy 3


1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


This entire chapter speaks of men haveing wives, not men having hsubands and wives having wives, therefore homosexuals blatantly make a mockery of the Bible by ignoring what is written therein and doing what they want to do for their satisfaction.

 

[roomy]

Of corse no one is perfect but the Bible lays out the the qualifications for offices in the church:

1 Timothy 3


1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.

11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:

15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


This entire chapter speaks of men haveing wives, not men having hsubands and wives having wives, therefore homosexuals blatantly make a mockery of the Bible by ignoring what is written therein and doing what they want to do for their satisfaction.

You belong to Shogun now if he can be arsed with you.

 

[jillian]

All well and good. But why would that have any application to secular government? You really need to separate the two... since our Constitution does and all.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Yes they should. Can you prove that one bad thing leads to another or should we just take your word for it?

Gays have been around forever. limiting their equal treatment in the eyes of our common government won't change that.

Homosexuality is *NOT* the equal of heterosexuality. Everything that the goverment says is "legal" is not necessarily righteous. The people of God are suppose to obey the laws of man, that is rules and regulation wise hen you're bound to, but we are *NOT* supposed to partake of evil. In some countries prostitution is legal, but its a sin. These people can chose to disobey the laws of God all they want but a fiery hell with brimstone and weeping and gnashing of teeth awaits them. Funny how people want to treat gays with so called "equal protection" but don't do likewise for a convicted criminal who has paid his debt in prison.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

All well and good. But why would that have any application to secular government? You really need to separate the two... since our Constitution does and all.

The point is that gays who call themselves Christians and wish to hold church offices are hypocrites and distorters of the Word Of God. Anyone who supports them in carrying out their sinful lifestyle shall reap the same reward, because the people of God follow the things of God only, not God and what the world says is morally right.

 

[Shogun]

oh.. you mean like how every hetero preacher conforms to the standards that MAN chose to add to the bible? Those standards?


Here, you forgot a few lines..
1 Timothy 2

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

 

[Shogun]

Homosexuality is *NOT* the equal of heterosexuality. Everything that the goverment says is "legal" is not necessarily righteous. The people of God are suppose to obey the laws of man, that is rules and regulation wise hen you're bound to, but we are *NOT* supposed to partake of evil. In some countries prostitution is legal, but its a sin. These people can chose to disobey the laws of God all they want but a fiery hell with brimstone and weeping and gnashing of teeth awaits them. Funny how people want to treat gays with so called "equal protection" but don't do likewise for a convicted criminal who has paid his debt in prison.

In the eyes of the law, im afraid you are wrong. RIGHTEOUS is not a word that the Constitution uses to validate rights for some and not others. No, you were told to give unto ceasars that which is ceasars since YOUR kingdom is heaven instead of rome (or the USA). Indeed, I suggest YOU obey your dogma and don't fuck any dudes. However, jebus didn't rally the senators to force the pagans out of Rome. A human did that. Our laws are not derived from your concept of SIN, dude. Let them await their fiery hell rather than live life under your dogma. It desn't matter if you believe they will go to hell as long as they are given the same equal application of the Constitution as every other demographic in this nation.


Yea, you see, the flaw in your logic is that HOMOSEXUALITY is not a crime while murder is. Felons that serve their time did so because they broke the LAW. Gays didn't break any laws when falling in love with a person of the same sex.



all your base are belong to us.

 

[Shogun]

The point is that gays who call themselves Christians and wish to hold church offices are hypocrites and distorters of the Word Of God. Anyone who supports them in carrying out their sinful lifestyle shall reap the same reward, because the people of God follow the things of God only, not God and what the world says is morally right.

I suggest you abide by your own doctrine while among your own flock, dude. Your opinion of a gay dude and his gay preist mean two things: jack and shit. No human has ever held a monopoly on god and, given the fact that it was MAN who created your biblical instructions, your standards are highly circumspect anyway. Regardless, the Gov won't be telling you that you must accept gays because WE can comprehend the first amendment. However, if a particular christian faith wants to allow gays and women into their ministry then you really don't have much relevant input, eh?

 

[jillian]

The point is that gays who call themselves Christians and wish to hold church offices are hypocrites and distorters of the Word Of God. Anyone who supports them in carrying out their sinful lifestyle shall reap the same reward, because the people of God follow the things of God only, not God and what the world says is morally right.

I'd say that's between them and their Church.

But when it comes to GOVERNMENT, I'm afraid all of that is irrelevant.

 

[007]

Not everyone takes the Bible literally. There are many Churches nowadays which are accepting homosexuals, allowing them to take communion, etc.

The Bible says nothing about homosexuals becoming Priests and/or Clergy. It only says that homosexuality is a sin. You can't take that to mean that homosexuals are not to become Priests or Clergy, and nor can you take it to mean that homosexuals should not be permitted to marry.

That's like saying there's no reason why a convicted murderer shouldn't become a cop.

There are things in life that don't take a rocket scientist to determine right from wrong.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

In the eyes of the law, im afraid you are wrong. RIGHTEOUS is not a word that the Constitution uses to validate rights for some and not others. No, you were told to give unto ceasars that which is ceasars since YOUR kingdom is heaven instead of rome (or the USA). Indeed, I suggest YOU obey your dogma and don't fuck any dudes. However, jebus didn't rally the senators to force the pagans out of Rome. A human did that. Our laws are not derived from your concept of SIN, dude. Let them await their fiery hell rather than live life under your dogma. It desn't matter if you believe they will go to hell as long as they are given the same equal application of the Constitution as every other demographic in this nation.

Marriage under the Constutution when it was written wasn't meant for sodomosexuals, neither in theory nor word, so their marriage pass has been revoked already. They want to change the Constitution for fulfillment of their sexual lifestyle. Next when siblings start fighting for marriage will you share in the sin of supporting their so-called "equal rights"?

Yea, you see, the flaw in your logic is that HOMOSEXUALITY is not a crime while murder is. Felons that serve their time did so because they broke the LAW. Gays didn't break any laws when falling in love with a person of the same sex.

You miss the point, ex-cons[the felons] are not given the same protection as everyone, even after they're served their sentences. They're dsicriminated against when it coms to jobs and voting rights. It shypocritical to support gay marriage under the banner of equality while simulataneously supporting and ignoring the discrimination and disenfranchisement that excons faces and we say its ok because that person was a criminal so he should get treated that way[less than human].



Mr Bass is so glad there is no homosexuality in the small town he lives in right outside of Vicksburg and the voters of Mississippi made it that way, thank God.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

oh.. you mean like how every hetero preacher conforms to the standards that MAN chose to add to the bible? Those standards?


Here, you forgot a few lines..
1 Timothy 2

9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

And your point being?

 

[Anguille]

I suggest you abide by your own doctrine while among your own flock, dude. Your opinion of a gay dude and his gay preist mean two things: jack and shit. No human has ever held a monopoly on god and, given the fact that it was MAN who created your biblical instructions, your standards are highly circumspect anyway. Regardless, the Gov won't be telling you that you must accept gays because WE can comprehend the first amendment. However, if a particular christian faith wants to allow gays and women into their ministry then you really don't have much relevant input, eh?

Well said, Shooby do!

 

[Ravi]

Isn't Charlie Bass that ass that had to resign after it turned out he was an internet troll?