A tale of two deficits.

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    Ever wonder why the left likes the way the European Union works? It turns out that Europe doesn't have to worry about elections, and that gives them a lot of flexibility.

    A Tale of Two Deficits - Hit & Run : Reason.com
     
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    Um....what on earth are you talking about?

    If you don't know how Europe works, why not ask?
     
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    Did you even read the article that shows how Europe works?
     
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    Quantam -

    I live in Europe. I know how Europe works.

    What you posted is hugely skewed and distorted. One example - it claims that the PM of Italy has never faced an election, which is true - but only because the previous government collapsed, and he was able to form an interim government that will face the polls quite soon. This happens all the time in parliamentary systems, and doesn't mean elections aren't held as often in Europe as they are in the US.

    All MEPs are elected (Members of the European Parliament) by the public - they then nominate the EU Commissioners, much as civil servants are chosen anywhere.
     
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    So, it is true, but it isn't because he will face an election eventually. Since parliamentary elections usually take about 2 months, and he has already been in office for 6, it could be argued that he doesn't seem to be worried about following parliamentary procedure.

    Regardless, that is Italy, not the European Union, which is the main thrust of the article. Even you admit they are not elected.
     
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    Quantam -

    I just explained to you that ALL European MPs are directly elected.

    I also explained to you that parliamentary procedures in all multi-party democracies allow for the collapse of one government and the use of an interim government, pending elections. The formation of a government is based on results from the preceeding election - it isn't just some random guy setting up a government, it is the next largest party after that leading the coalition or party which collapsed.
     
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    And they appoint the commissioners, who are the ones that make the decisions. What was your point again?
     
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    Quantam -

    My point was that most democracies do not elect civil servants.

    Who elected Hillary Clinton?

    Jesus wept....
     
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    What is this person babbling about. Of course they have elections...

    Each country appoints their own commissioners...

    And of course he appoints people ot ministerial positions. At least those ministers are elected by the people...

    now, tell me "oh Guardian of Freedom", which members of the public elected your Secretaries of State, Interior, Transport .... yadda, yadda, yadda....

    Doofus
     
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    Civil servants do not usually make policy in democracies. Believe it or not, Clinton does not make policy.
     

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