A question for the Right

[JBeukema]

How can you claim to be Christians and religious conservatives, yet flatly reject Jesus teachings and celebrate evil in the same manner as Anton Levay?

 

[mudwhistle]

Huh??

 

[JBeukema]

They praise Randism and they praise Christianity, yet Rand said Jesus was evil and her ideology is much closer to Anton Levay's.

See the link

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How can you claim to be Christians and religious conservatives, yet flatly reject Jesus teachings and celebrate evil in the same manner as Anton Levay?

You're a very stupid and hateful person... I feel truly sorry for you.

 

[Dr.Drock]

What percentage of people follow all of Jesus's teachings? Roughly.........0%?



That's why I'm going all out and being Jesus's worst enemy, I'm an atheist, AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Intense]

How can you claim to be Christians and religious conservatives, yet flatly reject Jesus teachings and celebrate evil in the same manner as Anton Levay?

You lack context, JB. To understand Rand, you need to understand Her History, what She survived. The best works relating to that are probably "Anthem", and "We The Living", in that order. Funny, I see you in particular, appreciating "Anthem" more than any other poster on this board. To Understand Ayn Rand and appreciate Her Value, One does not have to drink the Kool-Aid, or agree 100% with every view she had. Her Battle was against the lie of the Great Socialist Utopia. She called the threat for what it was. Was She a Christian??? No. A Self Proclaimed Atheist, that rings more like a Deist, yet she kept it to herself. Unalienable Rights, Justice, Conscience, Spirit, Value for Value. Those were cornerstones in how she lived her life. Perfect??? By no Means. But, Who is???

 

[JBeukema]

To understand Rand, you need to understand Her History

Like her man leaving her for a better woman while she threw a fit and declared he had no 'right' to sleep with an 'inferior woman'?

To Understand Ayn Rand and appreciate Her Value

What value if there is demonizing any attempt to help another person and painting Jesus as the most evil man in history? Of all the antitheists, only Randians go so far as to deny that Jesus was a good person.

Unalienable Rights, Justice, Conscience, Spirit, Value for Value.

Unalienable rights? You mean like Jesus teaching us to defend and take care of the poor, the old, the sick, and the weak?

All of which she condemned.

Jesus taught us that are own greed and lust should be second to what is right and good. Rand said such teachings are evil and ranted on about her own neo-Nietzschian philosophy of social parasites and the superior human beings worthy of life itself.

Embracing Fascism is not an acceptable response to the evils of Stalinism.

 

[Intense]

To understand Rand, you need to understand Her History

Like her man leaving her for a better woman while she threw a fit and declared he had no 'right' to sleep with an 'inferior woman'?

To Understand Ayn Rand and appreciate Her Value

What value if there is demonizing any attempt to help another person and painting Jesus as the most evil man in history? Of all the antitheists, only Randians go so far as to deny that Jesus was a good person.

Unalienable Rights, Justice, Conscience, Spirit, Value for Value.

Unalienable rights? You mean like Jesus teaching us to defend and take care of the poor, the old, the sick, and the weak?

All of which she condemned.

Jesus taught us that are own greed and lust should be second to what is right and good. Rand said such teachings are evil and ranted on about her own neo-Nietzschian philosophy of social parasites and the superior human beings worthy of life itself.

Embracing Fascism is not an acceptable response to the evils of Stalinism.

Like her man leaving her for a better woman while she threw a fit and declared he had no 'right' to sleep with an 'inferior woman'?

In most of her writings there are issues of Fidelity. I've always had issues with that personally. Women think differently than men in competitions, what's your point. We have Cat fights here on these boards too. Female = Drama. Figure out the Female mind and I will nominate you for a Nobel Prize.

What value if there is demonizing any attempt to help another person and painting Jesus as the most evil man in history? Of all the antitheists, only Randians go so far as to deny that Jesus was a good person.

In her novels, her Hero's do help others, just on their terms not as slaves or indentured servants. She does advocate Liberty, Constructive Liberty, Responsibility, Clarity of Purpose, Fighting for what you Believe in, The Emperor's New Suit, Value for Value.

I disagree with her about Christ, so I try to understand her disconnect. Maybe she saw the Church, like many unbelievers, as Corrupted, as a means to control the greater unwashed, uneducated. The Church using Doctrine to provide an uncompensated, compliant, work force for those in control, with a promise of a better quality of life in the Resurrection to come. Maybe the Church was not there for her when she reached out? I don't know. There are those that believe in the Church, there are those that believe in the Power of Almighty God, and actually choose God over Dogma, Conscience over Tradition, or the norm? Yes Rand had issues, yes she also contributed to higher value and understanding. Have you read "The Fountainhead"? There is allot in there, on her perception, right or wrong, that we are here for reasons other than to sacrifice from the Individual whatever Society demands, no matter how unreasonable or wrong, on Society's terms. "Brave New World" tackles that abuse too.

Hey, the Individual matters, You matter, I matter, there is no humiliation or abuse I can do to you in Society's name that is going to sit right with God. That is my Faith. The Emperor's New Suit. Every Voice matters, every witness. Do we focus on shutting people up, or rather that they strengthen Conscience and act on inspiration and purpose. Is it more important that we be in control or that Justice is served. If you had to choose between one and the other, where would you stand. If you find it in you, check out Anthem. See how that effects your perception of her. The little girl who's life fell apart post Russian Revolution.

I believe Jesus has compassion for her. I believe that for Each of Us, our value to Him, is greater than the Tangents we create while here. Restoration, Reconciliation, Redemption.

 

[whitehall]

Gawd, the left is cracking up completely.

 

[JBeukema]

Female = Drama

So Gunny and Article15 are women?

In her novels, her Hero's do help others, just on their terms not as slaves or indentured servants.

Slaves? Indentured servants? She idolize the richest men on earth. You really mean to tell me they 'shrug' off the chains of slavery?

She does advocate Liberty

Liberty does not mean 'freedom' from morality

Constructive Liberty

Like ignoring the hungry and hiding away in your own gulf?

, Responsibility,

Like turning a blind eye to those who need help because empathy and compassion are evil?

Clarity of Purpose

Hedonism hardly qualifies as purpose

, Fighting for what you Believe in,

You mean greed and 'fuck the poor'?

The Emperor's New Suit

Didn't it turn out the emperor had no suit? You're just posting random buzzwords.

I disagree with her about Christ, so I try to understand her disconnect. Maybe she saw the Church, like many unbelievers, as Corrupted

That's not what she said. She was no Reformist. She said putting anything above self-pleasure was evil.

The Church using Doctrine

You're tying to paint her as a biblical revisionist? Really? She embraced biblical liberal socialism and self-sacrifice and condemned the greed and hypocrisy of the Church?

You can't be serious.

she also contributed to higher value and understanding.

How, exactly? By advocating the same ideology that gave rise to fascism and saying the highest morality is the strong taking from the weak?

Every Voice matters

Not according to Rand. The weak don't matter. The only people who rightfully have a voice are those with the strength to impose their will.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

How can you claim to be Christians and religious conservatives, yet flatly reject Jesus teachings and celebrate evil in the same manner as Anton Levay?

Do you understand that everyone on the right is not a Christian or a religious conservative? Even if they are, that does not mean that they cannot separate the fact that everyone else is neither from an admiration of some of the ideas they have.

By the way, have you ever read anything Rand wrote, or are you simply basing your assessment of her philosophy on what liberals write about it? There are a lot of things you can say about her charactors, but calling them soulless greedbots is about as accurate as saying Jesus was a Christian.

 

[JBeukema]

what liberals right about it?

And you question whether I read?

I doubt you can read anything with more than three syllables in it.

There are a lot of things you can say about her charactors, but calling them soulless greedbots is about as accurate as saying Jesus was a Christian.

So and Christians strive to be like Jesus, her characters strive to be soulless greedbots?

 

[Dot Com]

Sounds like Darwinism to me. That isn't the purpose civilization. Also, if its req'd reading for college Repub's, you can have it.

 

[JBeukema]

Sounds like Darwinism to me. That isn't the purpose civilization. Also, if its req'd reading for college Repub's, you can have it.

It is social Darwinism. Also, Rand adhered to the same (mis)interpretation of Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch as other well-known racist social reactionaries

 

[Quantum Windbag]

what liberals right about it?

And you question whether I read?

I doubt you can read anything with more than three syllables in it.

There are a lot of things you can say about her charactors, but calling them soulless greedbots is about as accurate as saying Jesus was a Christian.

So and Christians strive to be like Jesus, her characters strive to be soulless greedbots?

I did not question if you can read, I asked if you ever read her books specifically. If the polysyllabic content of the questions was to much for youI will strive to be monosyllabic in future posts.

Her characters are fictional, they do not strive to do anything,

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Sounds like Darwinism to me. That isn't the purpose civilization. Also, if its req'd reading for college Repub's, you can have it.

It is social Darwinism. Also, Rand adhered to the same (mis)interpretation of Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch as other well-known racist social reactionaries

You just proved you do not read her writing, and you are very good at misusing words you do not understand.

Racism

 

[JBeukema]

Sounds like Darwinism to me. That isn't the purpose civilization. Also, if its req'd reading for college Repub's, you can have it.

It is social Darwinism. Also, Rand adhered to the same (mis)interpretation of Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch as other well-known racist social reactionaries

You just proved you do not read her writing, and you are very good at misusing words you do not understand.

Racism

I never said she was a racist, you twit. I said she was a social darwinist who grossly misrepresented the concept of the ubermensch.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It is social Darwinism. Also, Rand adhered to the same (mis)interpretation of Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch as other well-known racist social reactionaries

You just proved you do not read her writing, and you are very good at misusing words you do not understand.

Racism

I never said she was a racist, you twit. I said she was a social darwinist who grossly misrepresented the concept of the ubermensch.

When you said "Rand adhered to the same (mis)interpretation of Nietzsche's concept of the ubermensch as other well-known racist social reactionaries" you did say she was a racist.

 

[WillowTree]

To understand Rand, you need to understand Her History

Like her man leaving her for a better woman while she threw a fit and declared he had no 'right' to sleep with an 'inferior woman'?

To Understand Ayn Rand and appreciate Her Value

What value if there is demonizing any attempt to help another person and painting Jesus as the most evil man in history? Of all the antitheists, only Randians go so far as to deny that Jesus was a good person.

Unalienable Rights, Justice, Conscience, Spirit, Value for Value.

Unalienable rights? You mean like Jesus teaching us to defend and take care of the poor, the old, the sick, and the weak?

All of which she condemned.

Jesus taught us that are own greed and lust should be second to what is right and good. Rand said such teachings are evil and ranted on about her own neo-Nietzschian philosophy of social parasites and the superior human beings worthy of life itself.

Embracing Fascism is not an acceptable response to the evils of Stalinism.

Hey asswipe. Back when Jesus walked the earth the poor were truly poor. They weren't a bunch of slacker, sugar tit, take care of me, gimmie gimmie demonRats.. so atheist asswipe, don't be throwing Jesus around it don't wash.

 

[JBeukema]

I wonder how many minorities were in her Collective.

God to know you agree that if someone says something one time, it's evidence they believed it. I'll remember that when other social darwinists' beliefs are called into question