A Political Ad Filled With Holes

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    NICE BIPARTISAN ARTICLE? I liked it.

    A Political Ad Filled With Holes
    August 22, 2004

    Americans should put the traumatic Vietnam experience of 30 years ago behind them and look to the future.

    Obviously, we've not been able to do that yet. John Kerry, the Democratic nominee for president, decided to make his service in Vietnam a campaign metaphor for his ability to lead the nation in time of crisis, to counteract President Bush's leadership credentials forged in the crucible of 9/11.
    Perhaps inevitably, Mr. Kerry's record is coming under fire from his Republican opponents. But let's be clear about the facts:

    Mr. Kerry volunteered to serve with the U.S. Navy and was in Vietnam for several months in 1968 and 1969. He was awarded five medals - a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts - for wounds suffered and actions taken as a commander of a small Swift boat on river patrol. Navy records and first-person accounts of men who served on the boat with him back him up and validate claims of heroism. He carries shrapnel in his body to this day.
    But that hasn't stopped a political group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth from running television ads and publishing a book claiming that Mr. Kerry lied about the actions that won him the medals. The group, which has ties to the family and political associates of President Bush, asserts that the Democrat is unfit to lead the nation.

    Their claims are animated mostly by anger over Mr. Kerry's anti-war statements made when he returned, disillusioned, from Vietnam. One ad shows Mr. Kerry testifying in 1971 about alleged brutality by Americans in Vietnam. However, the group's claims about Mr. Kerry's wartime actions are filled with holes. They are contradicted not only by Navy records and the accounts of crew members who served next to Mr. Kerry, but also by their own comments.

    Some of the members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who in the heat of this presidential campaign say that the senator from Massachusetts lied more than 30 years ago and is unfit to lead, praised him in years past.
    One former superior officer who is now accusing Mr. Kerry wrote in a 1969 fitness report that, "In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action Lt. j.g. Kerry was unsurpassed ..." Another of today's critics praised Mr. Kerry in 1996 as "among the finest of those Swift boat drivers."
    The many discrepancies make this campaign ad shameful. It is not the only one. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is one of the so-called 527 committees, which spend unlimited amounts of money on unregulated advertising independent of candidate or party committees. Some 527 committees have targeted Mr. Bush. Mr. Kerry denounced such an ad recently that tore into the president's military record.

    Mr. Bush says he honors Mr. Kerry's service in Vietnam, but he will not ask Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to remove their spurious ad from the air - as even Bush supporter Sen. John McCain, a Vietnam War hero, has asked him to do. The president is trying to have it both ways, and it's unseemly.
    The simple truth is that both men served their country. Mr. Bush was a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard and was honorably discharged. Mr. Kerry was a decorated Naval officer and Vietnam veteran. Voters can assess for themselves whether there's enough of a difference to matter.
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    I'd hate to think of what you consider partisan :rolleyes:
     
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    Mr. Bush says he honors Mr. Kerry's service in Vietnam, but he will not ask Swift Boat Veterans for Truth to remove their spurious ad from the air - as even Bush supporter Sen. John McCain, a Vietnam War hero, has asked him to do. The president is trying to have it both ways, and it's unseemly.
    The simple truth is that both men served their country. Mr. Bush was a pilot in the Texas Air National Guard and was honorably discharged. Mr. Kerry was a decorated Naval officer and Vietnam veteran. Voters can assess for themselves whether there's enough of a difference to matter.
     
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    Uh.. Bush has asked them to remove the ad. Now where's those military records of Mr. Kerry's.
     
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    OBJECTION! It has yet to be determined that the ad is indeed spurious!
     
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    If Bush were to "tell" them to take it down and they did, that would show collusion between the 527 and the Bush campaign. That is ILLEGAL. The libs are just trying to entrap the president. Too bad for you guys, he is too SMART to fall for it.
     
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    Instead Bush called for an end to ALL 527 ads. Kerry hadnt thought about that apparently. Otherwise he wouldnt have wasted $10 mil on ads to call for Bush to stop the SwiftVet ads.

    You know for a blithering idiot, Bush sure makes Liberals look like asses.
     
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    I am starting a 527 called GUTLESSKERRY. Anyone who doesn't like my approach will get the same form letter.

    Dear Sir/Maam,
    AS I am a 527 I can say whatever I want. Telling me to stop is infringing on my 1st Amendment Rights. Oh BTW please send contributions to:

    PEGWINN
    STRAPD 4 CASH &
    BROKEIN, TX 99999
     
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    Bush has called for an end to 527 ads? Was it made as a request that they ALL stop or as a implication that they should not have the right to do it? What is the context?

    Either way it is wrong in my opinion for Bush to be asking or saying that 527's should not run ads.

    Travis
     
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    CRAWFORD, TX (AP) -- President Bush denounced TV ads by outside groups attacking both John Kerry and himself on Monday and called for a halt to all such political efforts.

    "I think they're bad for the system," he said.


    Which is essentially the same thing he said last week. I don't see anything wrong with him giving his opinion. Freedom of Speech applies to everyone, even the President of the United States.
     

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