150 years ago today, Republicans made a massive power grab for Big Government.

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    What the fuck are you babbling about now?
     
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    What? Don't you think that the President taking it upon himself to decide how individual states should handle their own affairs just a wee bit of a federal intrusion?
     
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    It's pretty sad you don't even know when Lincoln took office.

    It was not 150 years ago today.

    The rest of your grasp of history appears to be equally tenuous.
     
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    Sure, but then you agree that it was the Republicans that freed the slaves, against the wishes of the Democrats... right?
     
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    Some Republicans worked hard to free the slaves. Absolutely. It is a foundation of which Republicans should be proud.

    Today, though, Republicans work very hard at hating gays, Muslims, and immigrants. It is fucking pathetic they have to go back nearly 50 years, or more, to find something to brag about when it comes to human rights. That says a lot about how far the party has strayed from its founding principles.

    It is no coincidence that it was about the same time that Strom Thurmond defected to the GOP.
     
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    The South did not rebel because Lincoln made some big power grab. This is ignorance of the highest order. Lincoln constantly obsessed over what Constitutional powers he had, and he was in no way convinced he had the power to ban slavery.

    Lincoln clearly articulated in a letter to Albert Hodges that, "If slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong." However, he also stated in a letter to Horace Greeley:



    The South seceded from the Union upon Lincoln's election because they saw the handwriting on the wall. The balance of votes in Congress was slowly shifting to the point where anti-slavery votes would soon outnumber pro-slavery votes. The election of Lincoln, who belonged to the new Republican party which had a platform plank calling for the abolition of slavery, was a sign to them that the end of slavery was getting closer.

    That is why with each new addition of a state to the Union, there was an influx of pro and anti slavery voters into those territories in an attempt to swing the balance of power in the new state toward or against slavery in Congress, creating proxy wars such as Bleeding Kansas.
     
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    Yes. Secession was based on the fear that congress MIGHT try to ban slavery nationwide.
    Lincoln's sole platform was restricting slavery to the areas it already existed.
     
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    I was not referring to the day that Lincoln took office.
     
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    Your entire opening post was nothing more than a graphic referring to his election to office as the first Republican President.

    Use your words...
     

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