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If I own my own business, and I have no employees, and I rent space for my business...that's how.Show me how you can run a business without land and labor.Your view is wrong. Same challenge as for Chris: Try starting a business and hiring people with no money.
Then explain why a factor of production that doesn't even exist without the other two is entitled to the share of profits that capitalism extracts.
You really are a dumb little man.
Ever hear the saying that it takes money to make money? Well, it's true, before a business can be started there has to be capital investments made, loans guaranteed, financial instruments signed. All of this is done before the land and labor come into play. THEN you buy or rent the land or space, build the factory or store, hire the people, get to work building a business.
This is why conservatives believe you don't raise taxes on the rich in a recession or a slow economy like this one. You want them putting up as much capital as possible, generating new businesses which are responsible for almost 75% of the new jobs created.
I grant you that in the early 90s Clinton raised taxes on the rich a little but the economy expanded anyway. Which was great, but this ain't the early 90s and we don't have the lower debt and "irrational exuberance" we had then. It seems to me this is not a time to be raising or lowering the tax rates, although I would support streamlining the tax code by taking out most if not all of the tax breaks, loopholes, credits, and deductions and lowering the rates so that the overall revenues do not decline.
What we really need is more "irrational exuberance", which I think could come from the general optimism from a new president with new policies that are more business friendly. People have gotta feel that the corner has been turned and things are going to get better, but right now they're not seeing that. Maybe a GOP president won't be the answer either, but what we're doing now ain't working.
One more time, you have to have capital. You have to have a business environment that is favorable to starting new businesses AND increases consumer confidence. Obama's track record has not helped and I think even hurts in this regard.
Ever hear the saying that it takes money to make money? Well, it's true, before a business can be started there has to be capital investments made, loans guaranteed, financial instruments signed. All of this is done before the land and labor come into play. THEN you buy or rent the land or space, build the factory or store, hire the people, get to work building a business.
This is why conservatives believe you don't raise taxes on the rich in a recession or a slow economy like this one. You want them putting up as much capital as possible, generating new businesses which are responsible for almost 75% of the new jobs created.
I grant you that in the early 90s Clinton raised taxes on the rich a little but the economy expanded anyway. Which was great, but this ain't the early 90s and we don't have the lower debt and "irrational exuberance" we had then. It seems to me this is not a time to be raising or lowering the tax rates, although I would support streamlining the tax code by taking out most if not all of the tax breaks, loopholes, credits, and deductions and lowering the rates so that the overall revenues do not decline.
What we really need is more "irrational exuberance", which I think could come from the general optimism from a new president with new policies that are more business friendly. People have gotta feel that the corner has been turned and things are going to get better, but right now they're not seeing that. Maybe a GOP president won't be the answer either, but what we're doing now ain't working.
One more time, you have to have capital. You have to have a business environment that is favorable to starting new businesses AND increases consumer confidence. Obama's track record has not helped and I think even hurts in this regard.
Gee, Dave that plan would work really swell if you weren't a stupid, ignorant, lazy punk who needed the government to wipe his ass and brush his teeth for the last twenty years.If I own my own business, and I have no employees, and I rent space for my business...that's how.Show me how you can run a business without land and labor.Your view is wrong. Same challenge as for Chris: Try starting a business and hiring people with no money.
Then explain why a factor of production that doesn't even exist without the other two is entitled to the share of profits that capitalism extracts.
You really are a dumb little man.
Ever hear the saying that it takes money to make money? Well, it's true, before a business can be started there has to be capital investments made, loans guaranteed, financial instruments signed. All of this is done before the land and labor come into play. THEN you buy or rent the land or space, build the factory or store, hire the people, get to work building a business.
This is why conservatives believe you don't raise taxes on the rich in a recession or a slow economy like this one. You want them putting up as much capital as possible, generating new businesses which are responsible for almost 75% of the new jobs created.
I grant you that in the early 90s Clinton raised taxes on the rich a little but the economy expanded anyway. Which was great, but this ain't the early 90s and we don't have the lower debt and "irrational exuberance" we had then. It seems to me this is not a time to be raising or lowering the tax rates, although I would support streamlining the tax code by taking out most if not all of the tax breaks, loopholes, credits, and deductions and lowering the rates so that the overall revenues do not decline.
What we really need is more "irrational exuberance", which I think could come from the general optimism from a new president with new policies that are more business friendly. People have gotta feel that the corner has been turned and things are going to get better, but right now they're not seeing that. Maybe a GOP president won't be the answer either, but what we're doing now ain't working.
One more time, you have to have capital. You have to have a business environment that is favorable to starting new businesses AND increases consumer confidence. Obama's track record has not helped and I think even hurts in this regard.
The flaw in the conservative argument is that they propose that if you give a larger amount of money to the wealthy they WILL invest in and spur economic growth.
This is a fundamentally flawed theory. First of all when you create a tax code that allows the concentration of wealth into the hands of a very few, it makes it possible for them to invest it to create growth, but that does not mean that they WILL invest it.
A tax code that favors the wealthy makes it easier for the wealthy to reach their profit goals with much less risk - they do NOT invest it in job creating high risk ventures - they invest in highly secure NON-business expanding investments.
It much better for the over all economy to have a higher tax on the wealtiest which forces them into the higher risk business expanding investments in order to reach their profit goals.
It's also much better for the overall economy to have a much more evenly distributed wealth so that there are MANY more smaller investors investing in many more ventures and letting the market potential profitability attract people to the higher risk business expanding investments.
Clarity is needed here because muddle words reflect muddled thought. Taxes take money from people and give the money to the government. Taxes cannot "give a larger amount of money to the wealthy", they can only confiscate less of the wealthy that those people created....The flaw in the conservative argument is that they propose that if you give a larger amount of money to the wealthy they WILL invest in and spur economic growth. This is a fundamentally flawed theory. First of all when you create a tax code that allows the concentration of wealth...
Too many people confuse greed and profit, either because they lack personal success with making a profit and calling it greed is a 'sour-grapes' defense mechanism, or they make up their own fantasy definition of the word 'greed'. In order to comunicate we need to agree on common definitions (from here):...Arguing against the profit motive and greed is somewhat specious IMO....
Clarity is needed here because muddle words reflect muddled thought. Taxes take money from people and give the money to the government. Taxes cannot "give a larger amount of money to the wealthy", they can only confiscate less of the wealthy that those people created....The flaw in the conservative argument is that they propose that if you give a larger amount of money to the wealthy they WILL invest in and spur economic growth. This is a fundamentally flawed theory. First of all when you create a tax code that allows the concentration of wealth...
Too many people confuse greed and profit, either because they lack personal success with making a profit and calling it greed is a 'sour-grapes' defense mechanism, or they make up their own fantasy definition of the word 'greed'. In order to comunicate we need to agree on common definitions (from here):...Arguing against the profit motive and greed is somewhat specious IMO....
greedPeople who regularly succeed at making a profit are those that have overcome both greed and fear and provide benefits for which others are gratefully willing to exchange their money.(grd)n.
An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth: "Many . . . attach to competition the stigma of selfish greed" (Henry Fawcett).
We can't tell a guy that built a factory with his bare hands creating high paying jobs for thousands of workers, that he doesn't need any more profits and ought to shut down the factory. Neither can we tell a doctor that saves 10 lives per day @ $100 each, that he needs to quit after six years and let everyone else die. I say that setting limits on what others need is a high risk activity....a person who has already made millions and wants more, then he/she already has what they need...
We can't tell a guy that built a factory with his bare hands creating high paying jobs for thousands of workers, that he doesn't need any more profits and ought to shut down the factory. Neither can we tell a doctor that saves 10 lives per day @ $100 each, that he needs to quit after six years and let everyone else die. I say that setting limits on what others need is a high risk activity....a person who has already made millions and wants more, then he/she already has what they need...
Gee, Dave that plan would work really swell if you weren't a stupid, ignorant, lazy punk who needed the government to wipe his ass and brush his teeth for the last twenty years.If I own my own business, and I have no employees, and I rent space for my business...that's how.Show me how you can run a business without land and labor.
Then explain why a factor of production that doesn't even exist without the other two is entitled to the share of profits that capitalism extracts.
You really are a dumb little man.
You really are a slave, Dave.
18th century conservatives were among the most fearful of Democracy.There is no wealth without labor, folks.
Even a gold nugget laying openly on the ground is woth northing until a human hand picks it up.
But right, now there's no shortage on idle hands, but there's also little incentive for Capital to invest in new hires since the worker class is pretty much busted.
Increasingly income and wealth inequity, which has been growing for the last 40 years, has once again, come home to roost and caused economic woes throughout most of the economy.
Once again we've seen that all our ill advised and overdone trickle down economic policies did was defraud the nations labor classes of their wealth.
Those of you who aren't millionaires or at least VERY well paid house slaves bought (and I can read here that many of you are still buying into) an economic FAIRY TALE.
This does not really suprise me, though.
When the people were toppling monarchs in the 18th through 20th centuries, those monarchs often found that their most loyal supporters were the clueless rural peasants.
So too do we find the same schizm in the zeitgeist of Americas, today.
Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.Gee, Dave that plan would work really swell if you weren't a stupid, ignorant, lazy punk who needed the government to wipe his ass and brush his teeth for the last twenty years.If I own my own business, and I have no employees, and I rent space for my business...that's how.
You really are a dumb little man.
You really are a slave, Dave.
In other words, you have no rational rebuttal, and have instead chosen to shit your diaper and throw a tantrum.
You lose, George. Always.
Not until you acknowledge that a single person with no employees and no physical plant can earn profits.Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.Gee, Dave that plan would work really swell if you weren't a stupid, ignorant, lazy punk who needed the government to wipe his ass and brush his teeth for the last twenty years.
You really are a slave, Dave.
In other words, you have no rational rebuttal, and have instead chosen to shit your diaper and throw a tantrum.
You lose, George. Always.
Now see if you can explain rationally why a factor of production which depends on two others for its existence is entitled to control all profits?
There is no wealth without labor, folks.
Even a gold nugget laying openly on the ground is woth northing until a human hand picks it up.
But right, now there's no shortage on idle hands, but there's also little incentive for Capital to invest in new hires since the worker class is pretty much busted.
Increasingly income and wealth inequity, which has been growing for the last 40 years, has once again, come home to roost and caused economic woes throughout most of the economy.
Once again we've seen that all our ill advised and overdone trickle down economic policies did was defraud the nations labor classes of their wealth.
Those of you who aren't millionaires or at least VERY well paid house slaves bought (and I can read here that many of you are still buying into) an economic FAIRY TALE.
This does not really suprise me, though.
When the people were toppling monarchs in the 18th through 20th centuries, those monarchs often found that their most loyal supporters were the clueless rural peasants.
So too do we find the same schizm in the zeitgeist of Americas, today.
Your park bench and legal pad make a good metaphor for the American Dream.Not until you acknowledge that a single person with no employees and no physical plant can earn profits.Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.In other words, you have no rational rebuttal, and have instead chosen to shit your diaper and throw a tantrum.
You lose, George. Always.
Now see if you can explain rationally why a factor of production which depends on two others for its existence is entitled to control all profits?
You want an example? Sit on a park bench and write a screenplay on a legal pad and sell it to a studio.
Acknowledge that, and then we can talk.
But you won't.
You know what you're doing? You're looking for some way to justify your own greed. You want what you haven't earned.
Acknowledge that, and you can start on your way towards becoming a useful member of society instead of leeching resources.
Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.Gee, Dave that plan would work really swell if you weren't a stupid, ignorant, lazy punk who needed the government to wipe his ass and brush his teeth for the last twenty years.
You really are a slave, Dave.
In other words, you have no rational rebuttal, and have instead chosen to shit your diaper and throw a tantrum.
You lose, George. Always.
Now see if you can explain rationally why a factor of production which depends on two others for its existence is entitled to control all profits?
Actually SSA and SSI which makes me less dependent of crony capitalism and control accounting fraud than some "successful" capitalists.Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.In other words, you have no rational rebuttal, and have instead chosen to shit your diaper and throw a tantrum.
You lose, George. Always.
Now see if you can explain rationally why a factor of production which depends on two others for its existence is entitled to control all profits?
Owners earn profits, or not.
Employees earn a salary.
Or in your case, unemployment.
Actually SSA and SSI which makes me less dependent of crony capitalism and control accounting fraud than some "successful" capitalists.Only in the mind of lazy, ignorant punks, Dave.
Now see if you can explain rationally why a factor of production which depends on two others for its existence is entitled to control all profits?
Owners earn profits, or not.
Employees earn a salary.
Or in your case, unemployment.
