Who Owns Palestine?

[surada]

The Palestinians weren't a party to any of those agreements.
Who cares if they claim, well after the fact, that they agree? DURR

Right. They weren't consulted after they fought the Turks.

 

[Rawley]

I understand that a "two-state solution" is a dirty word to most Israelis, but what other description can fit the current situation? Unless Israel really wants to incorporate the entire area and a huge hostile population with it, what is the alternative? Perpetual warfare?

Unless and until the Palestinians give up their stated goal of the genocide of Jews and Israel, perpetual warfare it is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Palestinian's international borders are uncontested by any of its neighbors.

There are no border agreements with Palestine and anyone.
Israel has border agreements with Jordan and Egypt.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Arabs fought with the British to expel the Turks.

What were the Palestinians doing? Squatting?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Right. They weren't consulted after they fought the Turks.

Arabs got all sorts of land. Jews got a little bit too.

 

[Shusha]

The armistice agreements were interesting. Nowhere in the agreements was there any mention of occupation of territory. The armistice lines simple limited troop movements. Since they were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries, there was no land or sovereignty implications. Palestine was divided into three areas.

Correct. There were no implications for sovereignty or territorial integrity. Therefore, it was NOT divided, but remains one contiguous territory.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The armistice agreements were interesting. Nowhere in the agreements was there any mention of occupation of territory. The armistice lines simple limited troop movements. Since they were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries, there was no land or sovereignty implications. Palestine was divided into three areas.

But then the UN and many countries recognized the state of Israel within those new borders. Even more importantly, Israel was able to defend itself within those borders. When the Arabs attacked the new state of Israel in 1948, they weren't thinking about any laws or treaties, they were going to get what they could by force of arms. Regardless of what the diplomats say at the UN, each country has only the borders it can defend.

 

[Stryder50]

Palestinian's international borders are uncontested by any of its neighbors.

Link?
Proof?
Palestine is non-Jewish and not Israel.
It is Israel's existence and borders that remain contested by Palestinians/Muslims and most "neighbors" in that region.

 

[Stryder50]

The Saudi peace initiative has been on the table since 2003. It guarantees Israel's security.

Twenty plus years of of being dormant and not enacted says something ...

 

[Stryder50]

The Arabs fought with the British to expell the Turks.

But not with indication that the Balfour Agreement/Plan would follow and Jewish immigration would be one of the end results.

 

[Shusha]

Link?
Proof?
Palestine is non-Jewish and not Israel.
It is Israel's existence and borders that remain contested by Palestinians/Muslims and most "neighbors" in that region.

Israel has peace treaties with both Jordan and Egypt which mutually recognize their international borders. Not contested. Syria and Israel remain in a state of war, and that border is contested.

 

[Stryder50]

Israel has peace treaties with both Jordan and Egypt which mutually recognize their international borders. Not contested. Syria and Israel remain in a state of war, and the borders are contested.

I know that.
Which is why I said "most", not "all".
I also know that history of the past century or two is filled with "peace treaties" broken and violated.
Nazi Germany attack upon Soviet Russia in June 1941, with whom both shared a "non-aggression pact" is one of many recent and 'classic' examples.

 

[Shusha]

I know that.
Which is why I said "most", not "all".
I also know that history of the past century or two is filled with "peace treaties" broken and violated.
Nazi Germany attack upon Soviet Russia in June 1941, with whom both shared a "non-aggression pact" is one of many recent and 'classic' examples.

Sure. Peace treaties may indeed be broken in the future. As of right now, Israel has clear and defined borders which are not contested by either Jordan or Egypt.

 

[rylah]

The Palestinians recognize the armistice line. It divides 1948 occupied Palestine from 1967 occupied Palestine.

Arab imperialists

also tend to "recognize"

your sister and the Big Ben as theirs so...

Palestinians Claim 'Big Ben' Was Palestinian

Another day, another ridiculous palestinian claim - this time Big Ben is in their sights

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