France sends combat troops to Ukraine

[luiza]

Digression .But not 100% irrelevant . Just99%
It will make you laugh , or wince , or both .

There is a clear long history in the US and Russia of UAPs visiting military bases and missile silos .
Further, several well recorded and attested incidents of UAPs initiating launch procedures and over riding any attempts to interfere .
Then , obviously , stopping at the proverbial last moment . And disappearing .

It is very difficult to sanely dismiss such incidents for a long list of good reasons .
And Deniers can only lamely contribute by repeating , "Do not believe it" or just ridiculing .That's the price of dealing with the Cognitively Rigid .

But for those who worry, this might be a crumb of comfort. That is , our assumed outside observers are prepared to stop us committing suicide .

Do not think that I blindly assume that such a scenario will ever happen . I am 100% sane, despite these doodles .
But it might be nice to have at the back of your mind if individual psychopaths seem to be flirting with insanity .
Like a, Get Out of Gaol card .

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

How long until Chinese troops are in America ?

They're here now ...they walked across the border and got cash cards and food stamps

 

[Ringo]

Russia is not Iraq. Novorussia is not Kuwait.

From their lofty position as the “chosen nation” (you know, because they "love freedom so much"), Russians or Arabs are indistinguishable to them.
Since the time when officials betrayed their country and the USSR ceased to exist, the elite scum of the West were too spoiled and really thought they were the leaders of the world. This can be cured with a strong spanking.

 

[Kruska]

Yeltsin is long dead. So did Stalin.
But for some reason you're talking about Yeltsin's borders. Why don't you talk about Stalin's borders?

And some people are so fond of the 1862 U.S. borders...

This isn't about Stalin or Iwan the Terrible, but the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, (founded on Dec. 1991) of which Jelzin was head of state and democratically elected, and he SIGNED the independence deceleration with Ukraine, and a further dozen other former Soviet Republics, thus further acknowledging e.g. Ukraine's borders - that included ALL territories now disputed with and occupied by Russia.

Naturally everyone being acquainted with Russia's aka the USSR's and Czarist history as well as the Ukrainian political landscape - knew that this "sovereign Ukraine" wasn't going to last very long - evident latest in 1993/4 when Ukraine played the nuke card, and therefore did not adhere to the 1991 Alma Ata CIS agreement. (Which BTW was NEVER protested against by the Russian Federation!!) But Jelzin preferring to get into some "deal" with the USA, Britain and Ukraine.

Therefore it's a fact that the Russian Federation acknowledged Ukraine with it's known borders, as well as the UN assembly.
And DE FACTO Russia therefore has no "rights" to impose it's idea's or policy onto a sovereign State - aka the Ukraine can do whatever THEY want, incl. joining NATO and the EU.

It should have been on NATO - to develop a "solid" security agreement with Ukraine, in the event of NATO not acquitting Ukraine into NATO - (in order for Ukraine to remain "neutral"). And this is where NATO failed miserably - and thus is paying now for this failure alongside with Ukraine.

Neither the Russian Federation nor China have any "right" to forbid e.g. the sovereign nation of Kazakhstan to become a NATO member. (Which the USA is trying to achieve via all kind of subversive actions since 1991) - and thus being countered via subversive actions from Russia and China. And in regards to subversive actions (aka diplomacy - NOT war) towards Ukraine - Putin FAILED in the end. Much to China's dislike and concern.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Many will be suprised by this...perhaps even shocked?

Irregardless.....it is good France has committed itself to opposing Putin....perhaps other european leaders will be emboldened by this when they see Russia not attacking France with nukes....putins nuclear bluster is being seen for what it is....desperate talk from a walking dead man...i give putin another year.

France sends combat troops to Ukraine battlefront - Asia Times

France has sent its first troops officially to Ukraine. They have been deployed in support of the Ukrainian 54th Independent Mechanized Brigade in

asiatimes.com

which nations have special forces in ukraine - Google Search

Good news indeed!

Let Europe take care of Europe's problems. If one African Nation invaded another over a border dispute, we would never send troops to settle the conflict.

Why should we be racist by helping white Europeans?

 

[Zavulon]

This isn't about Stalin or Iwan the Terrible, but the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, (founded on Dec. 1991) of which Jelzin was head of state and democratically elected, and he SIGNED the independence deceleration with Ukraine, and a further dozen other former Soviet Republics, thus further acknowledging e.g. Ukraine's borders - that included ALL territories now disputed with and occupied by Russia.

Really? Russia recognized independence of Ukraine and Russia, therefore, has right to recall the recognition of the independence. As well, as Russia have right to recognize independence of any part of the former Ukraine (as well as any part of the France or the USA).

Naturally everyone being acquainted with Russia's aka the USSR's and Czarist history as well as the Ukrainian political landscape - knew that this "sovereign Ukraine" wasn't going to last very long - evident latest in 1993/4 when Ukraine played the nuke card, and therefore did not adhere to the 1991 Alma Ata CIS agreement. (Which BTW was NEVER protested against by the Russian Federation!!) But Jelzin preferring to get into some "deal" with the USA, Britain and Ukraine.

There were deals, and there were some laws. All those laws were destroyed in 1999 with American unprovoked and illegal agression against Serbia. No more laws.

Therefore it's a fact that the Russian Federation acknowledged Ukraine with it's known borders, as well as the UN assembly.
And DE FACTO Russia therefore has no "rights" to impose it's idea's or policy onto a sovereign State - aka the Ukraine can do whatever THEY want, incl. joining NATO and the EU.

Don't, plz, lecture me, what Russia has right to do and what has not. Russia has right to do whatever is necessary to protect Russian people. And if we say that NATO shouldn't came to Georgia and Ukraine - you'd better stop.

It should have been on NATO - to develop a "solid" security agreement with Ukraine, in the event of NATO not acquitting Ukraine into NATO - (in order for Ukraine to remain "neutral"). And this is where NATO failed miserably - and thus is paying now for this failure alongside with Ukraine.

That's what this special military operation is about. To not allow you to "develop solid security agreement with Ukraine".

Neither the Russian Federation nor China have any "right" to forbid e.g. the sovereign nation of Kazakhstan to become a NATO member.

Sure we have. Right is might.

(Which the USA is trying to achieve via all kind of subversive actions since 1991) - and thus being countered via subversive actions from Russia and China. And in regards to subversive actions (aka diplomacy - NOT war) towards Ukraine - Putin FAILED in the end. Much to China's dislike and concern.

Sometimes, when you don't hear us (or just ignore our legal safety interests) the diplomacy can't be effective. And when there is nothing left to discuss - let's fight and see who is right. But even in war, when we both agreed to have our disagreements and solve those disagreements by the military force, there are pretty good reasons to avoid unnecessary barbarism.

 

[Kruska]

Really? Russia recognized independence of Ukraine and Russia, therefore, has right to recall the recognition of the independence. As well, as Russia have right to recognize independence of any part of the former Ukraine (as well as any part of the France or the USA).


There were deals, and there were some laws. All those laws were destroyed in 1999 with American unprovoked and illegal agression against Serbia. No more laws.

Don't, plz, lecture me, what Russia has right to do and what has not. Russia has right to do whatever is necessary to protect Russian people. And if we say that NATO shouldn't came to Georgia and Ukraine - you'd better stop.


That's what this special military operation is about. To not allow you to "develop solid security agreement with Ukraine".


Sure we have. Right is might.


Sometimes, when you don't hear us (or just ignore our legal safety interests) the diplomacy can't be effective. And when there is nothing left to discuss - let's fight and see who is right. But even in war, when we both agreed to have our disagreements and solve those disagreements by the military force, there are pretty good reasons to avoid unnecessary barbarism.

A total meaningless post - and it is obvious that you don't know about INTERNATIONAL LAW - something that The Russian Federation signed. As for Serbia - anyone incl. Serbia is free to lodge a complain at the UN. Same goes for e.g. Iraq - being attacked by the USA&friends in 2003. Or e.g. US troops in Syria, US/French and Israeli attacks onto sovereign Syrian territory.

Due to e.g. the USA and RUSSIA having VETO rights, and constantly making use of them (therefore being in favor and constantly making use of International Law - if it suits their purpose), such complaints are however bound to fail.

I already told you that Putin failed miserably on the diplomatic level - and NATO failed miserably to ensure the safety of a "neutral" Ukraine. Thus resulting in a war - initiated solely by Russia latest on Feb. 2022. And without China's help Russia simply can't win a conventional war against NATO&Ukraine.

As for Putin's wavering around with nukes - might very well result in Ukraine obtaining or being allowed to posses it's own tactical nukes. Then these two nuts can blow up each other - and as such there wouldn't be any need for e.g French nukes at all.

And FYI - I am personally totally against the new NATO doctrine, developed from 1991 onward - however this doesn't make me blind nor ignorant towards knowing about NATO's vastly superior conventional abilities - in view of Russia's mediocre conventional capacity.

 

[Kruska]

Good news indeed!

Let Europe take care of Europe's problems. If one African Nation invaded another over a border dispute, we would never send troops to settle the conflict.

Why should we be racist by helping white Europeans?

You obviously got no clue whatsoever about NATO's military and political COMMAND structure.

The USA was the one who foremost created and thus incited this issue (Eastward-Expansion) or screwing around in the SCS - and as usual, after the USA having screwed up everything they want to pull out, aka leave the disaster and rubble they caused, to others.

 

[Zavulon]

A total meaningless post - and it is obvious that you don't know about INTERNATIONAL LAW - something that The Russian Federation signed.

Sure I know the international law. It's quite simple since unprovoked and unjustful NATO aggression against Serbia in 1999 and against Iraq in 2003. "Might is right".
America has right to recognize independence of Kosovo. Russia has right to recognize independence of Crimea, Novorussia, Corsica, or, in some cases - even independence of Alaska and California.

 

[Ringo]

Sure I know the international law. It's quite simple since unprovoked and unjustful NATO aggression against Serbia in 1999 and against Iraq in 2003. "Might is right".

You see, the US is sick from birth with a disease called Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is a hallmark of capitalism, but the U.S. has the most severe form of it. Imagine a nation born with words about Freedom and yet still using slavery. It's the highest form of hypocrisy.
Why go so far back in time? The 1990s, the breakup of Yugoslavia, which Serbia is trying to stop. How is the U.S. behaving? Does it talk about “inviolable borders”? No, the US welcomes separatism and even bombs Serbia.
A coherent nation would welcome the secession of Donbass from the Kiev government that seized it in an armed coup and overthrew the legally elected president and would bomb Kiev. But the hypocritical states are doing the opposite.....
Crimea voted in favor of annexation to Russia - a terrible crime against the rule of law!!! But Kosovo, the old land of Serbs, populated by migrants from Albania, declares its independence, without any vote - the US welcomes it.
This is a grave case of sickness. Treatable in much the same way as a Nazi regime.

 

[Zavulon]

You see, the US is sick from birth with a disease called Hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is a hallmark of capitalism, but the U.S. has the most severe form of it.

Really? Hypocrisy started its existence since the very begging of the humankind. You can't live in society and be free from it, so we all are wearing our masks. Peasants, workers, soldiers, businessmen, politicians - we all play our roles. And no, Americans are not worst. Ever discussed about political topics in Chinese WeChat or at Japanese forums ? It's a pretty educative experience.
I think that all people want more or less same things. And are talking about more or less same things. We just can't really understand foreigners. Ok, sometimes we can't even understand our own relatives.

Imagine a nation born with words about Freedom and yet still using slavery. It's the highest form of hypocrisy.

No. From another point of view, slavery is the highest form of freedom for the slave owners. "Freedom" in English is not the same thing that "svoboda" in Russian.

Why go so far back in time? The 1990s, the breakup of Yugoslavia, which Serbia is trying to stop. How is the U.S. behaving? Does it talk about “inviolable borders”? No, the US welcomes separatism and even bombs Serbia.

You see... When they speak about international laws, or human rights, or Muslim terrorism or other things they usually mean only one thing - money. And if you don't try to understand what do they actually mean - you are just a bad translator.

A coherent nation would welcome the secession of Donbass from the Kiev government that seized it in an armed coup and overthrew the legally elected president and would bomb Kiev. But the hypocritical states are doing the opposite.....

If you took seriously their words about freedom and democracy - you just mistranslated.

Crimea voted in favor of annexation to Russia - a terrible crime against the rule of law!!! But Kosovo, the old land of Serbs, populated by migrants from Albania, declares its independence, without any vote - the US welcomes it.
This is a grave case of sickness. Treatable in much the same way as a Nazi regime.

You see... The Nazies were not sick either. They just saw Russians (and other Slavic peoples) as Untermenchen. And they still see us that way, thats why they do support Kievan and Baltic regimes. We can't and we shouldn't change their minds. But we can and we should change their behavior (and minimize our own losses during the process).

 

[Ringo]

Really? Hypocrisy started its existence since the very begging of the humankind.

Perhaps, but at the level of personal relationships, not public policy and ideology.
For example, in the Roman Empire, there was no need to come up with scientific theories that slaves were slaves because they were racially inferior as most slaves were white .
Or, for example, during feudalism, the dominance of the upper classes was justified by religion, i.e. there was no need to justify the existence of slavery ideologically, as was the case in the United States.
At the state level, to proclaim Liberty while at the same time passing slavery laws is the highest level of Hypocrisy. Hitler could have surpassed it if he had justified the murder of the Jews on the grounds of, for example, improving their breed (killing the weakest) or some other bullshit.
But he didn't need to. Nazism is the open dictatorship of the bourgeoisie without any hypocritical cover.

 

[Zavulon]

Perhaps, but at the level of personal relationships, not public policy and ideology.
For example, in the Roman Empire, there was no need to come up with scientific theories that slaves were slaves because they were racially inferior as most slaves were white .
Or, for example, during feudalism, the dominance of the upper classes was justified by religion, i.e. there was no need to justify the existence of slavery ideologically, as was the case in the United States.
At the state level, to proclaim Liberty while at the same time passing slavery laws is the highest level of Hypocrisy. Hitler could have surpassed it if he had justified the murder of the Jews on the grounds of, for example, improving their breed (killing the weakest) or some other bullshit.
But he didn't need to. Nazism is the open dictatorship of the bourgeoisie without any hypocritical cover.

There are no and never have been a regime based exclusively on the brute force.
Romans exeptionalism was based on the conception that they are descendants of Great Troy, unlike all other people. Nazies used pseudoscientific theories about inequality of human races. Soviet propagandists (especially in late USSR) told other fancy tales. Chinamen are talking about communism, but in fact they are capitalists. Isn't it a hypocrisy, too?

Human beings are more or less equal in our non-prefect world. No one is pure, no one is absolutely honest. We all do what we can do. No more, but sometimes - much less.

 

[Ringo]

Romans

Here's another example of hypocrisy:

The U.S. Congress threatened Georgian Prime Minister with sanctions “on the Belarusian model.
This is stated in a letter to Irakli Kobakhidze from 29 members of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Congressmen urge the Georgian authorities to withdraw the bill on “foreign agents”

 

[Captain Caveman]

Many will be suprised by this...perhaps even shocked?

Irregardless.....it is good France has committed itself to opposing Putin....perhaps other european leaders will be emboldened by this when they see Russia not attacking France with nukes....putins nuclear bluster is being seen for what it is....desperate talk from a walking dead man...i give putin another year.

France sends combat troops to Ukraine battlefront - Asia Times

France has sent its first troops officially to Ukraine. They have been deployed in support of the Ukrainian 54th Independent Mechanized Brigade in

asiatimes.com

which nations have special forces in ukraine - Google Search

I hope they've taken their national white flag.

 

[Zavulon]

Here's another example of hypocrisy:

The U.S. Congress threatened Georgian Prime Minister with sanctions “on the Belarusian model.
This is stated in a letter to Irakli Kobakhidze from 29 members of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Congressmen urge the Georgian authorities to withdraw the bill on “foreign agents”

It's not a double standard. It's the same standard - For America's freedom all other countries should be enslaved. Freedom of a slave owner is slavery for a slave. America should be protected from the foreign influence. And for America's freedom Georgia should not be protected from the foreign (mostly American and European) influence vice versa Georgia should be influenced and directly controlled by the USA.

 

[Batcat]

Irregardless isn't a word...

 

[Kruska]

Sure I know the international law. It's quite simple since unprovoked and unjustful NATO aggression against Serbia in 1999 and against Iraq in 2003. "Might is right".
America has right to recognize independence of Kosovo. Russia has right to recognize independence of Crimea, Novorussia, Corsica, or, in some cases - even independence of Alaska and California.

Wrong again - the UN assembly never acquitted towards US aggression against Iraq in 2003.
It was simply placed of the agenda - aka an investigation/prosecution never took place due to the USA making use of it's VETO right. Just as e.g. Russia does if it suits their purpose.

Aka - Russia accepts Crimea's deceleration of independence (it's to Russia's benefit) but refuse to to do the same for e.g. Kosovo. (since it offers no benefit to Russia).

The UN assembly in MAJORITY recognized Kosovo - see map

International Recognition of Kosovo | Mappr

Here below you will find information and maps about the international recognition of Kosovo.

www.mappr.co

Again you do not understand INTERNATIONAL law - but keep reiterating an INDIVIDUAL countries response/decision which is NOT recognized in majority by the UN assembly.

BTW - who told you that the world or International Law is fair and just??? however ALL UN members (incl. Russia) have signed onto the UN Charter - therefore ACKNOWLEDGING international Law as stated by the UN.

 

[Ringo]

Russia accepts Crimea's deceleration of independence (it's to Russia's benefit) but refuse to to do the same for e.g. Kosovo. (since it offers no benefit to Russia).

Do you know the difference? In Crimea, the absolute majority of the population voted in favor of joining Russia. There was no expression of will in Kosovo.

 

[Zavulon]

Wrong again - the UN assembly never acquitted towards US aggression against Iraq in 2003.
It was simply placed of the agenda - aka an investigation/prosecution never took place due to the USA making use of it's VETO right. Just as e.g. Russia does if it suits their purpose.

Aka - Russia accepts Crimea's deceleration of independence (it's to Russia's benefit) but refuse to to do the same for e.g. Kosovo. (since it offers no benefit to Russia).

The UN assembly in MAJORITY recognized Kosovo - see map

International Recognition of Kosovo | Mappr

Here below you will find information and maps about the international recognition of Kosovo.

www.mappr.co

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Again you do not understand INTERNATIONAL law - but keep reiterating an INDIVIDUAL countries response/decision which is NOT recognized in majority by the UN assembly.

BTW - who told you that the world or International Law is fair and just??? however ALL UN members (incl. Russia) have signed onto the UN Charter - therefore ACKNOWLEDGING international Law as stated by the UN.

UN Assembly has nothing to do about international law. The permanent members of SC UN were.
There were (until 1999) only three possible ways to use force against other country:
1) Self-defense.
2) Permission of UN SC (as it was in Korea).
3) Invitation of the legal government of the country (as it was in Vietnam).

1999 agression against Serbia and 2003 agression against Iraq added the forth one: "F#ck you, that's why". And therefore, the post-WWII world order was ended,and pre-WWIII order was started. Thats why Russia (as well as many other countries) saw this "order based on rules" or "post-cold war order" as unacceptable. So, there are two possible ways to establish the better, i.e. acceptable for non-Western countries world order. To win Cold War 2.0 or to win WWIII. Sad, but true.