Does DEI belong in the military?

[Resnic]

Why? All dei does is make sure the person incapable of getting a posistion because they aren't as good as other applicants gets hired. It's always giving the gold medal to the ones that couldn't even get the silver medal on their own.

Dei only guarantees that you do not get the best people.

It rewards the dumb, the lazy, and the bottom of mediocrity. It punishes the smart, capable, ambitious, strong and hard working people.

 

[Votto]

I'm somewhat conflicted on that one. I myself have qualified for jobs that were considered 'men's work' and have never been assaulted or even made uncomfortable on the job. But a 'don't ask don't tell' policy for the military should allow even gay Americans join up if they are qualified to do so. And if a woman can meet the rigorous physical qualification the guys meet, I hate to exclude her from that opportunity though admittedly women should have separate quarters from the men.

A hard fast and enforced rule of NO assault, NO sex policy in the military among military combat personnel, and any who violate that rule should be subject to court martial and dishonorable discharge. I think that would take care of it.

The military is not just another job. These people have to live and eat and breath together 24/7.

Not the same thing, sorry.

The only alternative is to have them screwing each other, which leads then to jealousy issues, cheating on spouses, or people preoccupied with sex to do their duty or refusing to put their lover in harms way etc.

 

[Woodznutz]

Put all DEI soldiers in the "Uriah the Hittite" Brigade.

 

[Rogue AI]

The writing was on the wall during the Clinton years. This is the culmination of his efforts.

 

[Votto]

Why is it for many jobs they have rules regarding employees dating each other because that causes problems, but in the military they care nothing about it?

 

[Mr Natural]

Back in the days of the Draft (aka Slavery) we had a military full of people who didn’t want to be there and could give a shit less about their time in service.

And yet somehow we managed to survive.

 

[Votto]

Put all DEI soldiers in the "Uriah the Hittite" Brigade.

DEI is the power of the Left on full display

As long as they are in power, what can overcome it?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Really? Doesn't the US military have 'free' socialized health care?

No

 

[Rogue AI]

Why is it for many jobs they have rules regarding employees dating each other because that causes problems, but in the military they care nothing about it?

They used to care, the great purge of sexual harassment in the late 90's eliminated folks up and down the ranks. Oddly enough many of them were also vocal opponents to 'don't ask don't tell'. Liberals will tell you that's all just coincidence.

 

[Donald H]

He did not have to pay for the surgery while in the service, but once they kicked him out he was denied medical care.

You're not making it any better by suggesting that Americans are expelled from the military so that health care expenses can be avoided. I can't accept that could be true!
Your story could get more sympathy if you stayed with the claim that his/her medical issues weren't legitimate.

Your comment on the military not taking care of the victims of agent orange, betrayed your intent, and the truth together.

 

[Votto]

You're not making it any better by suggesting that Americans are expelled from the military so that health care expenses can be avoided. I can't accept that could be true!
Your story could get more sympathy if you stayed with the claim that his/her medical issues weren't legitimate.

Your comment on the military not taking care of the victims of agent orange, betrayed your intent, and the truth together.

Let me be clear, no matter what the government says, the only medical procedures they care about paying for is for an abortion or sex change because they want less of you. However, if you need that heart transplant the government may deny it or may pay for it using a subpar medical crew like the one in Arizona that threw all of those vets under the bus that needed care. Or you might get luckier than those poor veterans in Arizona and it might work out for you, who knows?

 

[Donald H]

Let me be clear, no matter what the government says, the only medical procedures they care about paying for is for an abortion or sex change because they want less of you. However, if you need that heart transplant the government may deny it or may pay for it using a subpar medical crew like the one in Arizona that threw all of those vets under the bus that needed care. Or you might get luckier than those poor veterans in Arizona and it might work out for you, who knows?

I know of no modern civilized country in the world that doesn't have free and socialized health care for all of their military.

IF you're claiming that America is the exception then I'll have to research the question and accept your evidence/claims with qualifications.

I'm fully aware that most socially responsible countries screen for false medical claims. I think that's what you're trying to say?

 

[Donald H]

Let me be clear, no matter what the government says, the only medical procedures they care about paying for is for an abortion or sex change because they want less of you. However, if you need that heart transplant the government may deny it or may pay for it using a subpar medical crew like the one in Arizona that threw all of those vets under the bus that needed care. Or you might get luckier than those poor veterans in Arizona and it might work out for you, who knows?

And another reason why I'm cautious on accepting your word!

Free Health Care for All Troops Is Key Priority, National Guard General Tells Congress

Lack of easy access to mental health services may be compounding the suicide issue in the National Guard, its top officer told lawmakers.

www.military.com

On anything now!

 

[Mushroom]

Why is it for many jobs they have rules regarding employees dating each other because that causes problems, but in the military they care nothing about it?

They care a great deal, it is known as "Fraternization".

That can end a career, or even see somebody court martialed.

Air Force takes action against Kadena officer married to enlisted wife

KADENA AIR BASE, Okinawa — Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote, “All mankind love a lover.”

www.stripes.com

Patriot battalion CSM faces court-martial on fraternization charges

Sgt. Maj. Tomas Barrios goes to trial in June and has pleaded not guilty.

www.armytimes.com

In the latter one, he was convicted and reduced one rank. In addition, he was sentenced to 60 days in the brig.

Senior enlisted Fort Hood soldier jailed, demoted for fraternization

Update Wednesday July 13, 2022: Fort Hood officials on Wednesday confirmed that a senior enlisted leader had been court martialed on several offenses for having an affair with one of

kdhnews.com

The military cares a hell of a lot about it, that is why so few violate the rules like that. They know what would happen if they were caught.

 

[Mushroom]

I know of no modern civilized country in the world that doesn't have free and socialized health care for all of their military.

The health care for the military is not "free and socialized". The correct term is "in-house". As in, they themselves provide the care, in order to ensure they can do their jobs.

And many times I myself have had to pay, so you are trying to push something that is simply not true.

 

[Donald H]

The health care for the military is not "free and socialized". The correct term is "in-house". As in, they themselves provide the care, in order to ensure they can do their jobs.

And many times I myself have had to pay, so you are trying to push something that is simply not true.

"in house" is fine if free and socialized health care is established for the military.

How Socialized Medicine Works

The term socialized medicine comes up in debating healthcare reform. Learn what it means, if we already have it, and if you should worry about it.

www.verywellhealth.com

The difference in America is that the government doesn't provide it to everybody.

 

[Mushroom]

"in house" is fine if free and socialized health care is established for the military.

How Socialized Medicine Works

The term socialized medicine comes up in debating healthcare reform. Learn what it means, if we already have it, and if you should worry about it.

www.verywellhealth.com

The difference in America is that the government doesn't provide it to everybody.

It is not "socialized", I am amazed I have to say it once again.

And hell, they barely provide it to those that they are supposed to give it to. Like a great many, I have been fighting with the VA for over 3 decades. One of the biggest reasons I opposed such is that I know what VA care is like, and the last thing I ever wanted to do is put the rest of the country through the same nightmare I have to put up with.

Hell, a lot of people screamed that the claim there would be "death lists" was simply scare propaganda back when this was going through congress. Yet that is exactly what the VA has been doing for years. I have a friend who died while on a waiting list with the VA for cancer treatment. And I have had to wait 6 months or more just to see my doctor. The last time I made an appointment, and the date was in three months. And the week before my appointment I got a call they overbooked, and was given a new date in another 3 months.

And feel free to go to any border town, and see how many clinics in the US are set up and catering to Canadian clients.

 

[Donald H]

It is not "socialized", I am amazed I have to say it once again.

And hell, they barely provide it to those that they are supposed to give it to.

It's flawed socialism, as is being acknowledged in this case.

Like a great many, I have been fighting with the VA for over 3 decades.

See? You're criticizing the flaws. Canaca's socialized health care in our military and elsewhere too, provides 'free' care, but that is scrutinized to catch malingerers.

It could be that you're a malingerer and the problem you're envisioning is not with the system?

 

[Donald H]

And feel free to go to any border town, and see how many clinics in the US are set up and catering to Canadian clients.

Americans Are Flocking To Other Countries For Medical Procedures

For a growing number of Americans, medical travel means heading south of the border to Mexico for dental treatment. Other hot spots are Bangkok, Thailand.

www.forbes.com

*More Americans travel to other countries than any other countries' people.

* not counting military.

 

[Mushroom]

It's flawed socialism, as is being acknowledged in this case.

It is not "socialism" at all. Holy hell, how many times do I have to say that?