World Leaders DECLARE: "America is back !!" Now we Can Take On China.

The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.
Trump had zero success with China, Biden will do much better, just like with Covid and the economy.



i. e. they like a pushover who pays for everybody else, e. g. NATO, WHO, UN, an etcetera.



View attachment 500529

If America continues to want to be the worlds policeman, it comes at a price.
Trump insisted NATO members start paying their dues.

The left had a hissy fit.

Trump refused to pay and it took a real patriot to kick the tin to continue the work. So much for bill gates having a hissy fit. He put his money where his mouth is, unlike you.
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....
He fucked up everything.
including your heads....
Harry You take defeat so well Can you say Trump was a good for nothing POS and Biden is a breath of fresh air ??? Come on we know you can do it .....
No one is obligated to validate your fantasies.
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

While we were hiding, European countries started looking at other options.

They don't fully trust us yet, and you can't blame them. We'll see.

Would you trust a Country that aids and abets the Mexican Cartels?
Not me!
But, of course, you would!!
The man you adore says he trusts Russia more than America, insulted our President on the eve of talks and gave his "warmest regards" to the murderous thug Putin.

You and he are a disgrace to America.

Putin got it right yesterday when he said in so many words that Bi-Dung is a career politician that hasn't done much.
Putin has 'Sippy-Cup Joe's' number!
Joe is old and Joe is weak and THIS is America's image projected on the International screen!!!
And there ya go, siding with the murderous thug Putin, just like the man you adore.

You're a disgrace.

Only because Joe called him that?

Surely, you jest! :iyfyus.jpg:
Joe called who, what?

You are a disgrace. Those are my words, Trumpster.

Mac. The old Soviet fell 29 years ago.

Earth to Mac.
Wake up Mac.
Like all leftists, Mac wept bitterly when the Wall fell.

The New World Soviet is American Marxism sponsored by the Dimm's!!!
Idiot-gram ^^^. IT'S THE RED SCARE, variety insipid and trite.
But it's okay when you do it with WHITE SUPREMACISTS BOOGA BOOGA!!!
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.
Trump had zero success with China, Biden will do much better, just like with Covid and the economy.



i. e. they like a pushover who pays for everybody else, e. g. NATO, WHO, UN, an etcetera.



View attachment 500529

If America continues to want to be the worlds policeman, it comes at a price.
Trump insisted NATO members start paying their dues.

The left had a hissy fit.

Trump refused to pay and it took a real patriot to kick the tin to continue the work. So much for bill gates having a hissy fit. He put his money where his mouth is, unlike you.
Trump refused to pay what other nations should have been paying. I'm not sure why you believe the US paying for other nations' obligations is a good thing. Perhaps it's as simple as that's what you were told to believe.
 
While we were hiding, European countries started looking at other options.

They don't fully trust us yet, and you can't blame them. We'll see.


Your asinine phrase "they don't fully trust us yet, and you can't blame them" speaks volumes about who and what you are.

Well, this isn't 1945 anymore. So don't you think it is about time that the EU pays its fair share of mutual defense? Germany is one big shirker and has been for some time, But I guess you approve of several NATO nations shirking their duty and forcing America to pick up the slack.

Meanwhile, several EU nations are becoming more and more dependent on Russian energy; aided and abetted by Traitor Joe©™.

No one was hiding, that is a dumb as it gets. Trump was strengthening the alliances in the Pacific and moving India closer to us.

No one was hiding. That is pure shit-posting.
What a bunch of BS. Your post is full of none sense. Trump tore up the TPP that was meant to be a bulwark against Chinese influence. He tore it up and replaced it with nothing. Chinese influence grew rapidly under Trump. Do you ever not lie?
No president in history was tougher on China than President Trump. Now you can spew your leftist BS all you want, but that's the fact of the matter. Resident Biden and his shyster, crack smoking, whore fucking, POS low life bastard, N word spewing son are both OWNED by China. China has dished out BILLIONS to the Biden, QUID PRO QUO crime family, and everyone knows it, even the globalist leftist overseas that China also has in their pockets.

Get a clue, and stop lying.
Its not about being tough.
It is about being effective, correct, and producing results.

Trump fucked up China, just like he fucked up covid.

Trump's trade war hurt America a lot, crushed our farmers (we had to give them $Billions in tax money), and hurt the US economy, slowing growth and investment. Trump never had 3% growth annually because of his trade war.

here are the cold hard facts, Trumps economy was barely better than obama's:

View attachment 500548
Clearly you can't read a fucking graph.
The only economic downturn under Trump was during the Kung Flu pandemic.
Trump's GDP was pretty much the same as Obama's
The Trump economy was only barely better than Obama's. This graph demonstrates that perfectly...

Enjoy the Biden Booommm, the new roaring 20s
The "Trump Economy" was only at 2.4% GDP when the virus hit, bond yields had crashed by 60%, we had been dealing with an extended manufacturing recession, the NY Fed had to step in during 2019 to save short term credit markets with $1.5T, the deficit & debt had been exploded to goose everything, and Trump convinced the rubes it was The Greatest Economy Ever. Astonishing, the power of his words with them.

That was an early warning signal for how effective the Big Lie would be.
Tell an idiot Trumper exactly what they want to hear and they will believe it, no matter how insane or stupid.

These dumb fucks believed Pizza-Gate, the most insane illogical fake scandal ever.
Tell an idiot Trump Hater anything and they'll believe it....even the most insane illogical bullshit insurrection nonsensical crap.
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.
Trump had zero success with China, Biden will do much better, just like with Covid and the economy.



i. e. they like a pushover who pays for everybody else, e. g. NATO, WHO, UN, an etcetera.



View attachment 500529

If America continues to want to be the worlds policeman, it comes at a price.
Trump insisted NATO members start paying their dues.

The left had a hissy fit.

Trump refused to pay and it took a real patriot to kick the tin to continue the work. So much for bill gates having a hissy fit. He put his money where his mouth is, unlike you.
Trump refused to pay what other nations should have been paying. I'm not sure why you believe the US paying for other nations' obligations is a good thing. Perhaps it's as simple as that's what you were told to believe.

Perhaps it as simple as you refusing to believe what an arsehole you support because you know no better.
Maybe if trump had kept up the subsidies not as many would have died.
You never said a word when GWB and trump(who supported it in his term).
Why is that?
I'll bet you didn't know it was happening in the first place. Ignorance is bliss.
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.
Trump had zero success with China, Biden will do much better, just like with Covid and the economy.



i. e. they like a pushover who pays for everybody else, e. g. NATO, WHO, UN, an etcetera.



View attachment 500529

If America continues to want to be the worlds policeman, it comes at a price.
Trump insisted NATO members start paying their dues.

The left had a hissy fit.

Trump refused to pay and it took a real patriot to kick the tin to continue the work. So much for bill gates having a hissy fit. He put his money where his mouth is, unlike you.
Trump refused to pay what other nations should have been paying. I'm not sure why you believe the US paying for other nations' obligations is a good thing. Perhaps it's as simple as that's what you were told to believe.

Perhaps it as simple as you refusing to believe what an arsehole you support because you know no better.
Maybe if trump had kept up the subsidies not as many would have died.
You never said a word when GWB and trump(who supported it in his term).
Why is that?
I'll bet you didn't know it was happening in the first place. Ignorance is bliss.
I didn't say anything about it then?

Colin norris

Platinum Member​

Joined Apr 25, 2021
How could you know what I said at the time?

What did you get banned for, Sock Boi?
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....

The fact is trump was the worst person ever to be POTUS.
The problem with leftists is they pretend their opinions are facts...then they get all huffy when you disagree with them.

Tough shit.



The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....

The fact is trump was the worst person ever to be POTUS.
ok....but if the deals made at the G7 bankrupts everyone....thats ok,because its better than trump...is that what you believe too?....
If Trump came out on record as saying stepping on Legos is bad, these morons would buy a set and stomp all over them.
You mean like when you retards started injecting bleach ?!?!?!?

That was brilliant.

We're rounding the curve !!

fuckin retards
Still bitterly clinging to that lie, I see.

You're a great Democrat. You'll believe anything you're told to believe.
You and others are true believers of donald trump. trump is a liar, corrupt and incompetent. To support trump is to reject 230 or so years of democracy in America; of course you and your kind believe democracy is mob rule, and yet the only real mob/sedition occurred on January 6th, 2021 - another day of infamy.
Oh, hush, you stupid, fascist drama queen. This is America. People have the freedom to disagree with your bullshit, and there ain't shit you can do about it.
You're nuts. Read what I posted, You have every right to speak your mind, no matter how feeble it might be.
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....
He fucked up everything.
including your heads....
Harry You take defeat so well Can you say Trump was a good for nothing POS and Biden is a breath of fresh air ??? Come on we know you can do it .....
eddie i am giving up with you.....i have told you in quite a few threads here what i thought of trump as a person.....and no i dont think biden is a breath of fresh air....he is just another life long stale politician....and dont ask me about harris.....i knew about her long before many here even heard her name for the first time including you....
I remember her driving nails into republican toddy Barr
toddy barr?.....
Pretty sure that's supposed to be "toady". That's what he was, after all.
just about anyone picked to serve the president is a "toady"....are you now going to tell me biden doesnt have any toadies?......
You think biden will send people out to do his dirty illegal work??
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....

The fact is trump was the worst person ever to be POTUS.
The problem with leftists is they pretend their opinions are facts...then they get all huffy when you disagree with them.

Tough shit.



The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....

The fact is trump was the worst person ever to be POTUS.
ok....but if the deals made at the G7 bankrupts everyone....thats ok,because its better than trump...is that what you believe too?....
If Trump came out on record as saying stepping on Legos is bad, these morons would buy a set and stomp all over them.
You mean like when you retards started injecting bleach ?!?!?!?

That was brilliant.

We're rounding the curve !!

fuckin retards
Still bitterly clinging to that lie, I see.

You're a great Democrat. You'll believe anything you're told to believe.
You and others are true believers of donald trump. trump is a liar, corrupt and incompetent. To support trump is to reject 230 or so years of democracy in America; of course you and your kind believe democracy is mob rule, and yet the only real mob/sedition occurred on January 6th, 2021 - another day of infamy.
Oh, hush, you stupid, fascist drama queen. This is America. People have the freedom to disagree with your bullshit, and there ain't shit you can do about it.
You're nuts. Read what I posted, You have every right to speak your mind, no matter how feeble it might be.
I read your post. And I was right.
 
just about anyone picked to serve the president is a "toady".
No.
they have you right where they want you....never question just follow....but then i have been saying this about you for quite a while now.....
That's nice.



Wrong, like damn near everything else you post, but nice.
going by the responses you get to some of the shit you post here you are wrong many times yourself....but then you cant see that can you?....
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

Yes... they say "America is back"... but they qualify that with the addendum "....but for how long?"

The low-class ignorant arrogant incompetent Orange Baboon-God had to go... but the idiot Dems think that they have a mandate... when, in truth, they do not.,

The only reason they're back in power is because the Pubs screwed-the-pooch and because their Dear Leader was such a tweet-first-think-second global joke...

But I'm confident that the pansy-a$$ed Dems will screw things up as well, with their goddamned Woke agenda, and force folks into the GOP camp again sometime soon.

When that happens, the country may shift again towards a Rump-like agenda, without the Rump.
They might fuck it up, but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.

A coalition of the entire G7 is a much better and stronger plan than Trump's free wheeling incompetence that produced nothing.
but no matter what happens it will be better than trump.
geezus that guy fucked some of your heads up pretty bad.....
He fucked up everything.
including your heads....
Harry You take defeat so well Can you say Trump was a good for nothing POS and Biden is a breath of fresh air ??? Come on we know you can do it .....
eddie i am giving up with you.....i have told you in quite a few threads here what i thought of trump as a person.....and no i dont think biden is a breath of fresh air....he is just another life long stale politician....and dont ask me about harris.....i knew about her long before many here even heard her name for the first time including you....
I remember her driving nails into republican toddy Barr
toddy barr?.....
Pretty sure that's supposed to be "toady". That's what he was, after all.
just about anyone picked to serve the president is a "toady"....are you now going to tell me biden doesnt have any toadies?......
You think biden will send people out to do his dirty illegal work??
a toady is a bootlicker....a brownnoser.....tell me biden dont have any of them in his little circle.....
 
in other words they need money.....
That's funny. They make money selling goods to China. The US should try it.
i wouldnt expect you to understand that....
Whereas the LOTUS pretended China paid for the tariffs. I know you didn't understand that.
you still didnt get it ....but then there are at this posting 17 posters who agreed with me.....quit being a nice die hard party person and you may get it...
 
The United States is back as a cooperative leader of the free world under President Joe Biden, France’s Emmanuel Macron said on Saturday, illustrating the relief felt by many key U.S. allies that the tumult of Donald Trump’s presidency is over.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson who hailed Biden on Thursday as “a big breath of fresh air”.

Now we have a big coalition of world leading countries to take on China together.

This is going to work because all the countries in the world are going to work together to stop China, unlike Trump who accomplished nothing at all but a bunch of tariffs that crushed US farmers and raised the price of goods.

While we were hiding, European countries started looking at other options.

They don't fully trust us yet, and you can't blame them. We'll see.
And we shouldn't trust them at all, you know.
 
One sees again how the US with 4% odd of world population has 20% odd of COVID fatalities. It must be a gift.
What was China's rate? And why do you believe them?
Fill your boots


The consensus of US medical professionals I read is that COVID fatalities in the US are under reported.
 
in other words they need money.....
That's funny. They make money selling goods to China. The US should try it.
i wouldnt expect you to understand that....
Whereas the LOTUS pretended China paid for the tariffs. I know you didn't understand that.
you still didnt get it ....but then there are at this posting 17 posters who agreed with me.....quit being a nice die hard party person and you may get it...
Oh I get it, no worries. You'll ignore the LOTUS's dependence on China while complaining of others' interactions with China. It's not at all hard to get.
 

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