Winter Does Not Disprove Global Warming

[Luddly Neddite]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

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1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

 

[Sunni Man]

Only brain damaged liberals still cling to the Al Gore inspired nonsense of 'Global Warming'.

All they need to do is stick their head out the front door for 30 seconds to feel the bitter cold reality of a record setting winter. ...

 

[skookerasbil]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

....

1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

Im laughing at the irony here.........


The same reason a fraud like Barak Obama can get elected is the same reason climate science has a black eye these days!!! Its all about the uninformed.. Reality is 95% perception.......except to the committed fringe global warming nutters.

Maybe 1 in 100 people give a flying fuck about data and computer models.......but they sure pay attention when their nut sacks are frozen solid due to historic cold. Indeed......in 2014, you mention global warming to the average asshole on the street and their frozen balls might fall off from laughing so hard!!!! Global warming has never been as unpopular >>>>

What climate change? Fewer people than EVER believe the world is really warming up | UK | News | Daily Express


Nobody gives a flying fuck about the "consensus science", particularly when virtually all of the bomb thrower AGW k00ks predictions have fallen flat on their face in the past 10 years, be it on tornado's, hurricanes, snow yada......yada.......yada.


Ive had particular high levels of hysteria the past few days going over to the DRUDGE REPORT and seeing photos of Jack Nicholson's face frozen solid blanketing the top of the page!! On DRUDGE for 36 hours straight over the weekend >>>>
















Bottom line?


The AGW climate crusading nuts have been throwing their bombs for almost two decades and what has it gotten them?


DICK



Renewable energy is still a fucking joke.........3% of our energy use.........and 3 decades from now will only be 10% while fossil fuels will DOMINATE for the remainder of the century. You can read volumes and volumes about how the climate skeptics are winning in epic fashion right in this forum........see: PROOF THE SKEPTICS ARE WINNING........thread with well over 2,000 posts.

 

[skookerasbil]

"Oh......Oh.......Oh...........but the extreme weather!!!!"

 

[Sunni Man]

First, the liberals called it 'Global Warming'.

But when the winter weather didn't cooperate with their agenda.

They embarrassingly renamed it 'Climate Change' in order to save face.


Now they claim that this years record setting cold winter is a result of global warming on the other half of the world. And have coined a new term, 'Climate Trends'.

Seriously, will these 'true believers' ever run out of excuses in order to try and salvage their failed global weather agenda?? ...

 

[skookerasbil]

Nuddly......you're like a dope who walks into an AA Meeting and spikes the football in front of 50 people because you've been sober for 24 hours!!

 

[USNavyVet]

First, the liberals called it 'Global Warming'.

But when the winter weather didn't cooperate with their agenda.

They embarrassingly renamed it 'Climate Change' in order to save face.


Now they claim that this years record setting cold winter is a result of global warming on the other half of the world. And have coined a new term, 'Climate Trends'.

Seriously, will these 'true believers' ever run out of excuses in order to try and salvage their failed global weather agenda?? ...

It actually started as global cooling. Then when we weren't scared, it was renamed global warming. Now it's climate change and climate trends. It's a bunch of bullshit.

 

[JWBooth]

If winters fail to disprove warming, summers must thus fail to prove warming.

 

[PredFan]

I notice repeatedly how the AGW knuckleheads will go on and on about the planet getting warmer. What they won't explain because they can't explain, is how what man does is effecting it.

Mother nature isn't going to follow anyone's political agenda. The lefties are simply using this scam to gain more control. And then there are the truly ignorant people such as the OP, who actually believe that stuff.

 

[Abraham3]

I notice repeatedly how the AGW knuckleheads will go on and on about the planet getting warmer. What they won't explain because they can't explain, is how what man does is effecting it.

Mother nature isn't going to follow anyone's political agenda. The lefties are simply using this scam to gain more control. And then there are the truly ignorant people such as the OP, who actually believe that stuff.

I'm terribly sorry you missed that. I would have bet my eyeteeth that everyone had seen it. Here's how it goes.

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, man, by the combustion of fossil fuels (primarily coal and petroleum of course) has put hundreds of billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere: enough to raise the level from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million.

Carbon dioxide is one of the greenhouse gases. It absorbs some of the infrared spectra. So, sunlight shines on the Earth where it is absorbed by the ocean and the land and a little by the air. Anything above absolute zero (and that would be everything) radiates infrared light (also known as radiant heat). A planet whose atmosphere had no carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases would allow all of that reradiated infrared (that wasn't aimed back at the Earth) to escape to space. But planets like ours, whose atmospheres DO have some greenhouse gases (GHGs from hereon) trap a portion of that radiation. Thus they tend to accumulate solar energy which increases their temperatures which increases the amount of infrared radiation. This carries on till things balance out again. But if the level of GHGs increases, the atmosphere will have to warm up to find a new equilibrium point again. If GHGs just keep climbing, so will temperatures. If the Earth had no carbon dioxide, it's average temperature would be almost 33 centigrade degrees cooler than it is. The Earth would be a snowball. So we humans need SOME CO2.

So, the CO2 that humans have added to the Earth's atmosphere has caused it to accumulate solar energy and it is still warming up, trying to find an equilibrium point. Of course we're still pumping GHGs into the air faster and faster, so it's always playing catch up. And CO2 stays in the air for quite a long time, so that even if we could magically stop all further CO2 emissions right this instant, the Earth's temperature would continue to rise for many, many years.

Okay, got the big picture? Do let me know if you have any other questions. I'd be glad to help out wherever I can.

 

[Abraham3]

If winters fail to disprove warming, summers must thus fail to prove warming.

True. But no one is trying to use summers to prove warming. They use long term temperature records. The usually average the values over a year to smooth out all the seasonal variation. Like this:

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Luddly - I agree, winter doesn't disprove global warming. But your buddy's stuck in the ice down in antarctica....correction: Your buddy's stuck in the ice down in antarctica FOR THE SECOND TIME...are in the SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE, which is in the middle of their SUMMER! I believe I saw the headline "Least ice-melt ever recorded in southern hemisphere".

Abraham: Nice chart, but doesn't mean it's accurate. If I showed you a similar chart made by Merck that proved their new $10,000 per day drug kept AIDS at bay, would you believe it?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Climate change deniers cite snowstorm: Debunking Donald Trump et al.

An intense blizzard, appropriately named Hercules, has blanketed the Northeast. Antarctic ice locked in a Russian ship containing a team of scientists—en route, no less, to do climate research. Record low temperatures have been seen in parts of the United States, and in Winnipeg, Manitoba, temperatures on Dec. 31, 2013 were as cold as temperatures on ... Mars.....

....

1. Statements about climate trends must be based on, er, trends. Not individual events or occurrences. Weather is not climate, and anecdotes are not statistics.

2. Global warming is actually expected to increase “heavy precipitation in winter storms,” and for the Northern Hemisphere, there is evidence that these storms are already more frequent and intense, according to the draft U.S. National Climate Assessment.

3. Antarctica is a very cold place. But global warming is affecting it as predicted: Antarctica is losing ice overall, according to the latest report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. However, sea ice is a different matter than land-based or glacial ice. Antarctic sea ice is increasing, and moreover, the reason for this may be climate change! (For more, read here.)

Finally, just one last thing: When it’s winter on Earth, it’s also summer on Earth ... somewhere else. Thus, allow us to counter anecdotal evidence about cold weather with more anecdotal evidence: It’s blazing hot in Australia, with temperatures in some regions set to possibly soar above 120 degrees Fahrenheit in the coming days.

its a shame we've let this become yet another partisan football because, in the end, if allow the continued dumbing down of America, we all lose.

but record highs in the summer do prove it.


John Kerry on with your hypocrassy

 

[Abraham3]

Abraham: Nice chart, but doesn't mean it's accurate. If I showed you a similar chart made by Merck that proved their new $10,000 per day drug kept AIDS at bay, would you believe it?

The purpose of the chart was to demonstrate that most global temperature charts average out seasonal variations; that no one was trying to prove AGW with summer, just as no one OUGHT to be trying to disprove it with Winter.

 

[RollingThunder]

Only brain damaged liberals still cling to the Al Gore inspired nonsense of 'Global Warming'.

All they need to do is stick their head out the front door for 30 seconds to feel the bitter cold reality of a record setting winter. ...

Actually, only brain damaged rightwingnuts still cling to the denier cult myth that the Earth isn't warming, in spite of all of the scientific evidence showing that it is, in fact, rapidly warming.

All the rightwingnuts foolishly imagine they need to do is stick their head out the front door in order to know what the climate around the world is doing. The poor delusional retards are too stupid to understand the difference between the weather in their front yard one year in the wintertime and global climate all around the world all year for many years.

2013 is the 4th warmest year on record globally.

This last November was the warmest November on record globally.

Last month, December 2013, was the 346th consecutive month with a global temperature higher than the 20th century average.

2010 is tied with 2005 as the hottest year on record.

The decade from 2001 to 2010 was the hottest decade on record.

From 1998 to now, every year ranks among the hottest years on record.

The coolest years since 1998 are still hotter than the hottest years before 1998.

Only brainwashed retards and insane conspiracy theory nutjobs can look at these facts and the mountains of other evidence and data that the scientists have collected, and still remain in denial about the abrupt warming and the resultant climate changes that are obviously happening.

 

[HenryBHough]

True-believing Global Warming Enthusiasts are already doing their part by having recycled their homes, moved into unheated caves, traveling only on foot and eating uncooked vegetation.

The others? Mere hobbyists.

 

[RollingThunder]

First, the liberals called it 'Global Warming'.

But when the winter weather didn't cooperate with their agenda.

They embarrassingly renamed it 'Climate Change' in order to save face.

Now they claim that this years record setting cold winter is a result of global warming on the other half of the world. And have coined a new term, 'Climate Trends'.

Seriously, will these 'true believers' ever run out of excuses in order to try and salvage their failed global weather agenda?? ...

And another denier cult retard demonstrates how brainwashed and befuddled he is by parroting one of the most absurd and idiotic of the denier cult myths.

In reality, 'global warming' and 'climate change' mean somewhat different things and both terms have been used by the scientific community since at least the 1970s. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was formed in 1988. Both terms are still widely used because the Earth is still rapidly warming and the increased temperatures are still causing changes in previously long established climate patterns.

And BTW, StupidMan, nobody ever claimed that this year's cold winter in parts of the USA "is a result of global warming on the other half of the world". That nonsense is just a result of your moronic inability to comprehend what is being said. Pointing out that it has been unusually hot in other places, like Australia, even while it has been unusually cold here is just to make a point about how global average temperatures have to include both the lows and the highs, and that globally, there have been more unusually warm places than cold places. The cold weather in North America is the result of changes this year in the path of the jet stream that is now bringing Arctic air masses south and pulling warmer air into Alaska.

U.S. experiences cold and heat extremes
NASA
December 16, 2013
While the continental U.S. shivered through an abnormally cold spell in December 2013, Alaska experienced record-breaking heat. Both extremes were caused by an unusual kink in the northern hemisphere’s polar jet stream, which caused frigid Arctic air to move south and warm air to head north. The jet stream is a fast-moving belt of westerly winds created by the convergence of cold air masses from the Arctic and warm air from lower latitudes. It’s common for it to have meanders called Rossby waves, but what was unusual in December 2013 was how amplified and contorted those waves became after a ridge of high pressure parked itself over Alaska.

As warm air pushed north, numerous temperature records fell in Alaska. On December 7, 2013, temperatures reached 39°F (4°C) at Deadhorse, an airport in far northern Alaska that serves Prudhoe Bay. This was the warmest December temperature measured there since the airport was established in 1968, according to Weather Underground historian Christopher Burt. Meanwhile, high temperature records for December also fell or were tied at Barter Island, Alaska, and Wainwright, Alaska. In contrast, many towns in the Pacific Northwest saw record cold temperatures.

 

[Mr. H.]

It's amusing to me how warmers adapt argument to suit any occasion.


Sent from my ass using USMessageBoard.com

 

[elektra]

I notice repeatedly how the AGW knuckleheads will go on and on about the planet getting warmer. What they won't explain because they can't explain, is how what man does is effecting it.

Mother nature isn't going to follow anyone's political agenda. The lefties are simply using this scam to gain more control. And then there are the truly ignorant people such as the OP, who actually believe that stuff.

I'm terribly sorry you missed that. I would have bet my eyeteeth that everyone had seen it. Here's how it goes.

Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, man, by the combustion of fossil fuels (primarily coal and petroleum of course) has put hundreds of billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the Earth's atmosphere: enough to raise the level from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million.

Carbon dioxide is one of the greenhouse gases. It absorbs some of the infrared spectra. So, sunlight shines on the Earth where it is absorbed by the ocean and the land and a little by the air. Anything above absolute zero (and that would be everything) radiates infrared light (also known as radiant heat). A planet whose atmosphere had no carbon dioxide or other greenhouse gases would allow all of that reradiated infrared (that wasn't aimed back at the Earth) to escape to space. But planets like ours, whose atmospheres DO have some greenhouse gases (GHGs from hereon) trap a portion of that radiation. Thus they tend to accumulate solar energy which increases their temperatures which increases the amount of infrared radiation. This carries on till things balance out again. But if the level of GHGs increases, the atmosphere will have to warm up to find a new equilibrium point again. If GHGs just keep climbing, so will temperatures. If the Earth had no carbon dioxide, it's average temperature would be almost 33 centigrade degrees cooler than it is. The Earth would be a snowball. So we humans need SOME CO2.

So, the CO2 that humans have added to the Earth's atmosphere has caused it to accumulate solar energy and it is still warming up, trying to find an equilibrium point. Of course we're still pumping GHGs into the air faster and faster, so it's always playing catch up. And CO2 stays in the air for quite a long time, so that even if we could magically stop all further CO2 emissions right this instant, the Earth's temperature would continue to rise for many, many years.

Okay, got the big picture? Do let me know if you have any other questions. I'd be glad to help out wherever I can.

Right, the "the big picture, I have a question.

Do you believe every Molecule of CO2 released into the atmosphere stays there forever?

CO2, hard for people to grasp its significance, or insignificance.

Thus far all you got is theories, no fact.

Here is a fact, any particle from space, as in radiation that strikes a molecule of CO2, radiation from the sun, solar radiation loses energy after striking CO2.

Stuff is not bouncing around making things hot, its as simple as Billiards, or even a nuclear reaction, it gets weak, quickly. Hell, one can actually stand next to spent nuclear fuel and not get burnt to a crisp, its a simple principle, once a molecule or neutron or whatever strikes something, it loses its strength, even its heat.

CO2, a freind of life, which makes it an enemy of....................

 

[Kosh]

Funny how during summer and the "extreme" events that "Global Warming" and/or "Climate Change" seems to be factor.

The fact is that the Earth's climate constantly changes it has extreme events and it has dramatically heated and cooled. CO2 concentrations have been 10 times what they are now during periods of cooling. CO2 does not drive climate, it never has. Anyone trying to make that connection is certainly not a friend of science, but a religious cult.