Windows 10 - How you truly disconnect the internet on your laptop.

[Ringel05]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

Sorry but no - Mac constantly delivers updates & patches .. for free. They are targeted just often but usually with a link one must click a link to install Malware and the like. This is not required for Windows hacks.

Nearly ALL of these sort of links end up in my junk bin, OR they are picked up immediately with my Malwarebytes program which I payed 20 bucks for forever.

Educate yourself:

Apple Security Shock As Mac Threats Outpace Microsoft Windows By 2 To 1

New research finds that Mac security threats outpaced Windows ones by a ratio of nearly two to one last year.

www.forbes.com

Well it looks like hackers have decided to attack Apple Macs, bout time. Oh and one of the reasons is Windows security (and browser security) has become more effective so many are trying their luck elsewhere. My free version of Malwarebytes picks up what it was designed to pick up, the rest is done via my free AV software and browser sandboxes. Don't fool yourself, if it can be built it can be hacked.
Obviously you didn't read anything about Hackentoshing or you would see it can be updated for free, the only drawback is it's not automatic, a minor inconvenience for those of us who know what we're doing.

Educate yourself..........

The difference between my relative expertise and yours? You CLAIM to know what you're doing.

But I wouldn't let you touch my computer with a ten foot pole ;-)

Too bad considering my extensive knowledge in that area........ Oh well.......

Maybe you do know what you're doing. IDK
But cool - If I need work done on my Mac, I'll call support or take it into my local Apple authorized sales/ repair center.
Did that once in 12 years to upgrade my iMac in order to transfer all my old stuff to new computer.
You get what you pay for. No thanks on one of your Hackintoshes.

I'm happy for you, like most people you judge the whole based on your own personal experiences........... Personally (knowing what I know), I'll build my own PCs and Hackentoshes that will statistically last just as long as your Apple bought Mac and I won't have to overpay for an over-hyped computer. Use whatever repair/support services you choose, never told or even advised you not to, no skin off of my nose. But if you're going to strongly advocate one over the other at least you should have ALL the facts and not just rely on your personal experience, that's called bias due to limited sampling. There's also Bias Confirmation where people go looking specifically for only that which confirms their bias, it's one of the most common human behaviors.
Thankfully I'm acutely aware of it so I actively guard against it.

I don't quite get it. How is my experience based on "limited sampling" having spent 7 or 8 years on PC's and another 12+ on Macs?

Look, there is probably no question that you know more about computers than do I. I'm always interested in computer info, but have ZERO interest in constructing mine from the ground up in order to save a few bucks.

That would appear to be your thing. God Bless, and Peace Out!

Soooooooo, you're saying your experience equates to every other person's experience world wide? Really?
Build or don't build, it's your choice and I could care less because it's your choice. You want help? I'll gladly help if I can, doesn't mean I'll be able to fix every issue that comes down the pike and if I don't know I'll do my best to redirect the help seeker to someone who does know. There's about five or six of us on the board who have knowledge in different areas, mine is primarily PCs but I do have some knowledge of Macs, not anywhere near as much as others but still good enough.
Also look online at refurbished (rebuilt) Macs, percentage wise based on market share (not actual numbers wise) they're about the same percentage of rebuilds you find with PCs, a little less but not too far apart. Years ago Apple started using compatible PC components in their machines so nowadays Macs are just as much PCs as they are Macs.

 

[Overtime Paycheck]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

 

[Ringel05]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

 

[fncceo]

Without The Internet, I'd have to get my porn down to the liquor store...

 

[DrLove]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Okay, but again as my earlier Forbes link pointed out - Hackers are trying like hell to find vulnerabilities in iPhones and other Apple devices. They simply aren't having a whole lot of luck doing so.

 

[Ringel05]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Okay, but again as my earlier Forbes link pointed out - Hackers are trying like hell to find vulnerabilities in iPhones and other Apple devices. They simply aren't having a whole lot of luck doing so.

Agreed, same as Linux but with Windows 10 they've upgrade security making Windows much harder for hackers to access. The real weak link in every one of those operating systems is the end user and most end users are clueless, they know how to turn it on and turn it off.......... That's why most current exploits target the user causing the user to drop his or her guard and do all the work for the hacker. Like I said before, if it can be built it can be hacked.
BTW, Forbes is not a computer/IT related magazine so they only report other's stories and often leave out key aspects of the story mostly due to space requirements not out of any malice. Your best bet for getting the full story would be finding someone like PC Mag et al.
Why did I mention this? iPhones are included in the increased attacks on Apple which is a generalized inclusion. iPhones are not Apple Macs nor are they Windows PCs and we were talking about Mac vs PC not iPhone vs PCs so a differentiation needs to be made for a true comparison. While iPhone uses an Apple operating system it uses iOS, Macs use OS X, similar at the kernel level but very different at the UI level.
Gotta compare oranges to oranges.

 

[DrLove]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Okay, but again as my earlier Forbes link pointed out - Hackers are trying like hell to find vulnerabilities in iPhones and other Apple devices. They simply aren't having a whole lot of luck doing so.

Agreed, same as Linux but with Windows 10 they've upgrade security making Windows much harder for hackers to access. The real weak link in every one of those operating systems is the end user and most end users are clueless, they know how to turn it on and turn it off.......... That's why most current exploits target the user causing the user to drop his or her guard and do all the work for the hacker. Like I said before, if it can be built it can be hacked.
BTW, Forbes is not a computer/IT related magazine so they only report other's stories and often leave out key aspects of the story mostly due to space requirements not out of any malice. Your best bet for getting the full story would be finding someone like PC Mag et al.
Why did I mention this? iPhones are included in the increased attacks on Apple which is a generalized inclusion. iPhones are not Apple Macs nor are they Windows PCs and we were talking about Mac vs PC not iPhone vs PCs so a differentiation needs to be made for a true comparison. While iPhone uses an Apple operating system it uses iOS, Macs use OS X, similar at the kernel level but very different at the UI level.
Gotta compare oranges to oranges.

I don't know as much as you do about the current state of MS vulnerabilities. All I can comment on is what happened to me multiple times before I went all Mac in 2007. It wasn't fun, and I've never had a single problem with either my iPhone or iMac since. In fact, my Apple authorized dealer & repair shop had to remove a program (forgot name) that was slowing me down bigly. They recommend none, although I see that Norton for Mac has pretty good reviews for this year.

 

[Ringel05]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Okay, but again as my earlier Forbes link pointed out - Hackers are trying like hell to find vulnerabilities in iPhones and other Apple devices. They simply aren't having a whole lot of luck doing so.

Agreed, same as Linux but with Windows 10 they've upgrade security making Windows much harder for hackers to access. The real weak link in every one of those operating systems is the end user and most end users are clueless, they know how to turn it on and turn it off.......... That's why most current exploits target the user causing the user to drop his or her guard and do all the work for the hacker. Like I said before, if it can be built it can be hacked.
BTW, Forbes is not a computer/IT related magazine so they only report other's stories and often leave out key aspects of the story mostly due to space requirements not out of any malice. Your best bet for getting the full story would be finding someone like PC Mag et al.
Why did I mention this? iPhones are included in the increased attacks on Apple which is a generalized inclusion. iPhones are not Apple Macs nor are they Windows PCs and we were talking about Mac vs PC not iPhone vs PCs so a differentiation needs to be made for a true comparison. While iPhone uses an Apple operating system it uses iOS, Macs use OS X, similar at the kernel level but very different at the UI level.
Gotta compare oranges to oranges.

I don't know as much as you do about the current state of MS vulnerabilities. All I can comment on is what happened to me multiple times before I went all Mac in 2007. It wasn't fun, and I've never had a single problem with either my iPhone or iMac since. In fact, my Apple authorized dealer & repair shop had to remove a program (forgot name) that was slowing me down bigly. They recommend none, although I see that Norton for Mac has pretty good reviews for this year.

Not sure when you made your switch over to Apple but for the longest time it appeared that Microsoft wasn't taking operating system security as seriously as they should have. Steve Ballmar was a corporate greed junkie who should have been replaced as CEO almost immediately. Once Sata Nadella took over and a lot of new blood was introduced at Microsoft the old corporate arrogant attitude began to dissipate and they became much more security conscious.

 

[Ringel05]

Three Words: Get a damn Mac

Uuummmmm, that would be FOUR words....... A is considered a one letter word, I always knew Mac users weren't that smart.......
Now Hackentosh users on the other hand and just masochists. I would know, I'm tryin' to build one now...........

You can count? That's nice. Yes, Get A Mac was what I meant to say, but get DAMN tired of people whining about there Windows issues.

I used Dell PC's since the late 90s. Had to buy three desk and laptops in 7 years and got multiple blue screens of death and viruses. Software updates? PAY for them. Perhaps they are better now, but it's still junk I view as "planned obsolescence".

Also got REAL tired of waiting for half an hour or more on multiple occasions to get someone I could someone in India or Sri Lanka named "Bob" that I could barely understand.

Have called Apple Support twice now in twelve years. Get a knowledgable person within 5 minutes that speaks ENGLISH and all support for my iPhone and iMac are now free.

You can't build your own Mac, but in the unlikely event you succeed and do it correctly, you won't need an anti-virus program.

Once you go Mac, you will NEVER go back.

If you say so.........

I love demagogues and acolytes, y'all are so funny, clueless but funny........ You sound like the Linux acolytes.......

Okay Mr know-it-all, I've been building my own computers for years, look up Hackentosh........ Yes you can build your own Mac. And I also run Linux on my primary desktop, Windows is my gamer and I carry an iPhone........

You seem to be the know-it-all in this conversation.
Good luck getting your no cost auto updates and support with your Hacktivist Mac.

It's easy getting no cost updates, you truly are clueless, aren't ya........ When it comes to computers I'm not a know it all but I am well versed which you obviously aren't. Tell ya what, you decide you actually want to learn something about computers come back, there are a few of us who can teach you. Otherwise ya might now want to show up with both feet stuffed in your mouth while chewing vigorously. Just a friendly suggestion.......

BTW, if you had actually read through the thread you would have seen that I recommended either Linux or Mac if the OP was that concerned about being hacked. Not because neither can be hacked it's just based on market share, hackers go after Windows because they have 88+% of the market, Apple Macs comprise only 9.6% of the market share, Linux about 2%. They're simply rarely targeted, nothing more, nothing less.

How is a hacker going to know what software you use? I sorta figured that was why message board users are interested and make threads about it.

A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Okay, but again as my earlier Forbes link pointed out - Hackers are trying like hell to find vulnerabilities in iPhones and other Apple devices. They simply aren't having a whole lot of luck doing so.

Agreed, same as Linux but with Windows 10 they've upgrade security making Windows much harder for hackers to access. The real weak link in every one of those operating systems is the end user and most end users are clueless, they know how to turn it on and turn it off.......... That's why most current exploits target the user causing the user to drop his or her guard and do all the work for the hacker. Like I said before, if it can be built it can be hacked.
BTW, Forbes is not a computer/IT related magazine so they only report other's stories and often leave out key aspects of the story mostly due to space requirements not out of any malice. Your best bet for getting the full story would be finding someone like PC Mag et al.
Why did I mention this? iPhones are included in the increased attacks on Apple which is a generalized inclusion. iPhones are not Apple Macs nor are they Windows PCs and we were talking about Mac vs PC not iPhone vs PCs so a differentiation needs to be made for a true comparison. While iPhone uses an Apple operating system it uses iOS, Macs use OS X, similar at the kernel level but very different at the UI level.
Gotta compare oranges to oranges.

I don't know as much as you do about the current state of MS vulnerabilities. All I can comment on is what happened to me multiple times before I went all Mac in 2007. It wasn't fun, and I've never had a single problem with either my iPhone or iMac since. In fact, my Apple authorized dealer & repair shop had to remove a program (forgot name) that was slowing me down bigly. They recommend none, although I see that Norton for Mac has pretty good reviews for this year.

Not sure when you made your switch over to Apple but for the longest time it appeared that Microsoft wasn't taking operating system security as seriously as they should have. Steve Ballmar was a corporate greed junkie who should have been replaced as CEO almost immediately. Once Sata Nadella took over and a lot of new blood was introduced at Microsoft the old corporate arrogant attitude began to dissipate and they became much more security conscious.

The current Windows Defender now ranks up there with the big dogs, that's how seriously Microsoft now takes security. Built in Windows security used to be the joke of anti virus systems, not any longer.

 

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A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Now that is some useful information. It all is reduced to chance and that says something about being the largest share of the market regardless of the quality of your product.

If you develop your own operating system with unique and unrelated coding to the public operating systems hackers wouldn't have a chance.

 

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A hacker will use different code to try to get in, since Windows makes up over 88% of the market share the vast majority of hacker code will be designed to attack Windows, looking for vulnerabilities. For other attacks they throw out a wide net, try to hack as many as they can with tricks to get the user to drop their guard and unknowingly let them in. Downloads from untrusted sites often contain piggy back code to infect computers, porn sites and Peer to Peer (P2P) file sharing can be considered dangerous at best though it's quite likely your AV will catch it and if not Windows will warn you with Open File Security Warnings unless you have that feature turned off. Always know where you're surfing, never download anything remotely questionable, stay away from porn sites and don't file share unless it's a highly trusted network.
The only way a hack knows their code is working is when it actually works then they know what operating system they've hacked because their targeted code worked.

Now that is some useful information. It all is reduced to chance and that says something about being the largest share of the market regardless of the quality of your product.

If you develop your own operating system with unique and unrelated coding to the public operating systems hackers wouldn't have a chance.

Yeah, I got that. They aren't having a lot of luck hacking any of them these days which is why they're targeting Apple products, looking for weaknesses. They have to find the weak point first.