Wind farm fails to meet expectations

[martybegan]

Wrong. It would take thousands. If you only had hundreds, the thousands of other scientists would be raising a stink about their data no matching. And there's been no such stink. There've been no confessions. No one has been caught falsifying data. How could that happen if all of them weren't in on it and how could all of them be in on it? ALL claims that AGW is a hoax fail the fucking sanity test COMPLETELY.

The hoax is that the only response is to embrace socialism, lower our standards of living, OR ELSE.

I would call it exaggeration, not a hoax. If we impact the climate too much we adjust as a species as we always do.

The real crime is watermelons using AGW as an excuse to execute their cherished socialist worldwide "paradise".

 

[1srelluc]

What do you think 20 years worth of coal for a small 10 MW plant would cost, just at today's prices? And 20 years of wind? 20 years of sunshine?

Ha! Most of them end-up looking like they have been through a A-10 strike by then.

Damn Dawg, you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[ding]

The hoax is that the only response is to embrace socialism, lower our standards of living, OR ELSE.

I would call it exaggeration, not a hoax. If we impact the climate too much we adjust as a species as we always do.

The real crime is watermelons using AGW as an excuse to execute their cherished socialist worldwide "paradise".

I would call it wishful thinking to their reaction to their belief that man is bad.

 

[martybegan]

I would call it wishful thinking to their reaction to their belief that man is bad.

That is the most extreme of them. Most of them just need a boogeyman or devil to rail against, and AGW is one that is scary to them, but not really as dangerous as a more immediate disaster, like actual weather events, earthquakes, nuke strikes, or impact events.

They get to be scared and at the same time deep down know they are in no real danger.

Plus they get to propose their solution to everything, SOCIALISM (which will work this time, they swear it)

 

[Crick]

Ha! Most of them end-up looking like they have been through a A-10 strike by then.

Damn Dawg, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Your first photo is part of the Kahuku Wind Farm on Oahu. It is still in operation and provides 3.1% of the power needs of the Island of Oahu. Your second photograph was an experimental solar thermal array that did not survive harsh weather and has no bearing on the durability or effectiveness of solar PV and wind turbines.

And, by the way, the cost of the coal to run a 10 MW plant for 20 years at today's prices would be

1.12 lb coal per kWh x 24 hr/day x 365 day/yr x 20 years x 1000 kW/Mw = 196,224,000 lbs or 98,112 tons of coal x $36.36/ton = $3,567,352.32, and that does not include the cost of transporting roughly 100,000 tons of coal to your plant.

 

[1srelluc]

And, by the way, the cost of the coal to run a 10 MW plant for 20 years at today's prices would be

1.12 lb coal per kWh x 24 hr/day x 365 day/yr x 20 years x 1000 kW/Mw = 196,224,000 lbs or 98,112 tons of coal x $36.36/ton = $3,567,352.32, and that does not include the cost of transporting roughly 100,000 tons of coal to your plant.

Sounds like the Deal of the Day to me for sustained/dependable power.....Lots of US jobs too.

 

[Blues Man]

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Renewable Energy

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And this shows wind and solar by themselves at 12% and this is an old article. Additionally, that you think these numbers are trivial either indicates your ignorance or your willingness to be dishonest.

FYI biomass is hardly renewable energy since we can easily burn trees and they take decades to replace
Hydro is a dead end these days because we don't have the will to build gigantic dams anymore and the public wouldn't put up with that kind of land loss.

Wind isn't as cheap as you people like to say because a wind turbine will only produce on average 30% or less of its rated capacity.

 

[Crick]

FYI biomass is hardly renewable energy since we can easily burn trees and they take decades to replace
Hydro is a dead end these days because we don't have the will to build gigantic dams anymore and the public wouldn't put up with that kind of land loss.

Wind isn't as cheap as you people like to say because a wind turbine will only produce on average 30% or less of its rated capacity.

Those cost comparisons are not based solely on rated capacity and there is a reason coal and natural gas plants make up 90% of shutdowns and wind and solar PV make up 90% of new capacity.

 

[ding]

Those cost comparisons are not based solely on rated capacity and there is a reason coal and natural gas plants make up 90% of shutdowns and wind and solar PV make up 90% of new capacity.

The reason is government mandate.

 

[jc456]

What a bad joke on the sheeple.
The puppet masters know they can never produce enough "renewable green energy" to replace our usage.
They can't even produce enough to meet basic demands.

The wind farms on land kill the birds & on the oceans kill the whales.
Good thing we have the "environmentalist" climate change deep thinkers in charge now

Experts fear wind farm surveys are confusing whales

Marine life experts warn hat underwater surveys used to build off-shore wind farms may be to blame for a recent spate of beached whales.

www.dailymail.co.uk

more Jim Jonesing of the sheep....comply or else, we're gonna take your gas stoves

 

[Blues Man]

Those cost comparisons are not based solely on rated capacity and there is a reason coal and natural gas plants make up 90% of shutdowns and wind and solar PV make up 90% of new capacity.

Yeah it's called government handouts.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yeah it's called government handouts.

Warren Buffet,

"For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit."

LINK

 

[Vrenn]

Warren Buffet,

"For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit."

LINK

Buffet is an investor. He builds nothing. For him to invest it already needs to be made and successful. In order for him to suggest investment, it has to be extremely profitable. Wind is not real profitable. Just like Solar and Hydroelectric. Each part isn't that profitable but when you put the whole system together it's highly profitable. But it's not something Buffet will invest in.

 

[jc456]

You think AGW is a hoax?

until you have empirical evidence.

 

[ding]

You think AGW is a hoax?

The way they model it? Yes.