CDZ Will Vaccinated People Be More Vulnerable to Variants?

[phoenyx]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

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Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

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Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

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[fncceo]

If you get a flu shot today, you will still need one next flu season.

 

[amethyst]

the variants are here

Texas A&M Lab Identifies New COVID-19 Variant; Genome Suggests Potential Resistance To Antibodies

A single case led to only mild symptoms. The variant is named BV-1 for its Brazos Valley origin.

today.tamu.edu

Texas A&M Lab Identifies New COVID-19 Variant; Genome Suggests Potential Resistance To Antibodies

 

[rightwinger]

I will take my chances

 

[Michigan Swampbuck]

A lot of knowledgeable people on other discussion boards are arguing about these issues and have good points on both sides of each of these claims. It's like yes, but we don't know if it's the vaccine or yes, but only under these specfic circumstances, or no and this is why. All of it highly technical and beyond my understanding, but it is just more opposing conclusions based on "the science", just like Dr Fauchi, the CDC and the WHO have been flip flopping on the facts from day one.

 

[occupied]

From what I understand the very serious cases are from the immune system destructively overreacting to the infection and damaging various organs. The vaccines should offer protection against serious illness because the immune system is not trying to fight something it has never faced before.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Fact Checked

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

First off, Dr. Mercola is a fraud and a predator.

Second, there doesn't seem to be one credible scientist or organization saying vaccinated people will be more vulnerable to the variants.

 

[Slyhunter]

which is better getting Covid and surviving it or surviving it because you took a vaccine, for long term survival?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

which is better getting Covid and surviving it or surviving it because you took a vaccine, for long term survival?

Easy answer: Getting a vaccine, since they are very effective at preventing serious illness.

 

[phoenyx]

Fact Checked

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I just realized, it doesn't work if you just link it. If you go to the article itself, here's what they say when you click on it:
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[phoenyx]

A lot of knowledgeable people on other discussion boards are arguing about these issues and have good points on both sides of each of these claims. It's like yes, but we don't know if it's the vaccine or yes, but only under these specfic circumstances, or no and this is why. All of it highly technical and beyond my understanding, but it is just more opposing conclusions based on "the science", just like Dr Fauchi, the CDC and the WHO have been flip flopping on the facts from day one.

I'm glad people are still allowed to argue about it. Seems that debate on these issues is becoming an endagered thing. In any case, could you perhaps message me links to 1 or more of these other discussion boards? I've learned from hard experience that you can't publicly link to other discussion boards here.

 

[phoenyx]

From what I understand the very serious cases are from the immune system destructively overreacting to the infection and damaging various organs. The vaccines should offer protection against serious illness because the immune system is not trying to fight something it has never faced before.

After reading "How Vaccines Wreck Human Immunity: A Forbidden Doctor", I've come to the conclusion that vaccines are actually messing with part of our immune systems- specifically, with our acquired or humoral immunity. The goes into a fair amount of detail on how.

 

[phoenyx]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

First off, Dr. Mercola is a fraud and a predator.

It's easy to attack a person's character. What's much harder is to show evidence that the attack is justified.

 

[phoenyx]

which is better getting Covid and surviving it or surviving it because you took a vaccine, for long term survival?

This article is saying that taking covid vaccines could actually decrease your chance of surviving Covid variants.

 

[phoenyx]

which is better getting Covid and surviving it or surviving it because you took a vaccine, for long term survival?

Easy answer: Getting a vaccine, since they are very effective at preventing serious illness.

What evidence do you have for that assertion?

 

[Grumblenuts]

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[Turtlesoup]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

This isn't the first article basically saying (in a different way) that the Gene modifiers lock the "vaccine" (which isn't a vaccine) into attacking this one strain of attackers---while it does this, it overruns the body's natural defenses which slows or stops it ability to attack other invaders. Buy hey, most of the the people who will die as a result, won't officially be listed a dying of covid or the "vaccines"........it will be the other virus's and bacteria that will do the killing.

 

[Thoth001]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

Great thread and here is some more information.

VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS & DEATHS AT ALARMING RATES

Dr. Charles D. Hoffe from Canada is calling out for worldwide government officials to end the mayhem and death that comes from the Experimental Gene Altering Jabs. Enough is enough. The politicians, big pharma, and the medical mafia must be stopped and held accountable for all the Plandemic/Scamdemic lies, and stop the human experiments immediately.

VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS & DEATHS AT ALARMING RATES [2021-04-17] - DR. CHARLES D. HOFFE (VID

⁣VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS AND DEATHS AT ALARMING RATES [2021-04-17] - DR. CHARLES D. HOFFE (VIDEO) Dr. Charles D. Hoffe from Canada is calling out for worldwide government officials to end the mayhem and death that come

ourtube.co.uk

 

[Thoth001]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

This isn't the first article basically saying (in a different way) that the Gene modifiers lock the "vaccine" (which isn't a vaccine) into attacking this one strain of attackers---while it does this, it overruns the body's natural defenses which slows or stops it ability to attack other invaders. Buy hey, most of the the people who will die as a result, won't officially be listed a dying of covid or the "vaccines"........it will be the other virus's and bacteria that will do the killing.

It pretty much makes the body(cells) attack itself, from what I have gathered. I don't think everyone will have a problem though atleast at first. I think most, it will be a few years down the road before they develop some big problems. And I do suspect different forms of the injections are handed out to certain populations such as lethal, less lethal and not lethal at all. But I am just trying to get inside Big Pharmas heads and think what they would do. I would think it may be to obvious if everyone just died in 3 months. But they are psychopaths, so you never know.