Why White People Don’t Like to Talk About Race

[MizMolly]

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

Well, another three score years on, would the Dr. be encouraged?
Great man.

Well, anyone that would claim TODAY, that "the negro still is not free" would be full of shit.


Anyone that would claim that "the negro" is just living "on a lonely island of poverty" would be ignoring the large and healthy black middle class.


So, it would depend on what he was really looking for.

I think he'd be encouraged, but nowhere close to kicking off his boots and retiring. It takes a long, long time to change cultural attitudes; some of those conditions still clearly exist, and as long as they do, people gotta keep rooting it out like weeds in the lawn.

He might be encouraged, but more than likely not. America has been a country for over 243 years and still the same cultural attitudes exist in a segment of the white population. All whites weren't racists in 1776, so we gotta ask, "When does it end?"

There will always be racists. Life will be much better when you and those like you stop believing everything that doesn't go your way is related to racism.

 

[Zorro!]

Project Implicit

If you are curious about yourself, take this test. It is NOT based on questions that you could answer the way you THINK you should. Actually it is fun. You can choose from a number of different tests but they only take about 15 minutes.

This web site presents a method that demonstrates the conscious-unconscious divergences much more convincingly than have been possible with previous methods. This new method is called the Implicit Association Test or IAT for short.

WARNING!
It does carry this disclaimer:

I am aware of the possibility of encountering interpretations of my IAT test performance with which I may not agree. Knowing this, I wish to proceed.

Project Implicit
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/Study?tid=-1

This test has very serious repeatabilty problems and there is little to no evidence that a high score is predictive of real world discrimination, in fact there is evidence of the opposite!

A group of supporters and those that find this test to lack reliability, to fail to meet the standard of repeatabilty and to have little predictive value of real world discriminatory behavior have been having a protracted meta-analytical back-and-forth on the pages of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, a flagship publication in the field of psychology.

A critically important point to emerge from this years-long meta-analytic melee is that both critics and proponents of the IAT now agree that the statistical evidence is simply too lacking for the test to be used to predict individual behavior. The test architects have effectively conceded the core reason for the test. They did so in 2015: The psychometric issues with race and ethnicity IATs, Greenwald, Banaji, and Nosek wrote in one of their responses to the Oswald team’s work,

“render them problematic to use to classify persons as likely to engage in discrimination.”
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In that same paper, they noted that

“attempts to diagnostically use such measures for individuals risk undesirably high rates of erroneous classifications.”​

In other words: You can’t use the IAT to tell individuals how likely they are to commit acts of implicit bias. This is something of a smoking gun. This concession undermines the entire premise of their test. Their test delivers psychological diagnoses that even they now admit are too filled with error to be meaningful.

The researchers Rickard Carlsson and Jens Agerström, in a meta-analysis of their own published in the Scandinavian Journal of Psychology last year, pinned the predictive value of test score and discriminatory behavior at about 2 percent — and argued that this is of such low statistical quality it’s impossible to draw any meaningful conclusions from it.

“Attempting to meta-analytically test the correlation between IAT and discrimination thus appears futile,” they wrote. “We are, essentially, chasing noise, and simply cannot expect any strong, or even moderate, correlations, based on the current literature.”
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The key experts involved in IAT research no longer claim that the IAT can be used to predict individual behavior. The IAT has simply failed to deliver on a promise it has been making since its inception — that it can reveal otherwise hidden propensities to commit acts of racial bias. There’s no evidence it can.

Psychology’s Favorite Tool for Measuring Racism Isn’t Up to the Job

 

[ChemEngineer]

There will always be racists. Life will be much better when you and those like you stop believing everything that doesn't go your way is related to racism.

"I see racism in the sky, in the ground, in the speed of sound." - Berkeley *feminist* and black studies professor whose name escapes me at the moment, thankfully

She had decades to brainwash her thousands of students, helping lead California into its current dismal state of extremism and divisiveness.

People's Republic of California

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We have the right to have our own opinion if you don't like it too bad for you.

And you have the right to be shown that what you believe is a load of racist dog shit. If you don't like it too bad for you.

And people have the right to tune those like you out because let admit reality you hate white society and believe your opinion is the only opinion that matters on race hate and relations...

 

[Zorro!]

We have the right to have our own opinion if you don't like it too bad for you.

And you have the right to be shown that what you believe is a load of racist dog shit. If you don't like it too bad for you.

And people have the right to tune those like you out because let admit reality you hate white society and believe your opinion is the only opinion that matters on race hate and relations...

And that's the rub. Eric "The With" Holder and Obama used to love to say they wanted "a conversation about race", when the liars didn't want a conversation at all, they wanted us to shut up and listen while they barfed their hateful bile all over our tennis shoes.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We have the right to have our own opinion if you don't like it too bad for you.

And you have the right to be shown that what you believe is a load of racist dog shit. If you don't like it too bad for you.

And people have the right to tune those like you out because let admit reality you hate white society and believe your opinion is the only opinion that matters on race hate and relations...

And that's the rub. Eric "The With" Holder and Obama used to love to say they wanted "a conversation about race", when the liars didn't want a conversation at all, they wanted us to shut up and listen while they barfed their hateful bile all over our tennis shoes.

I have no issue with open dialogue but if the other side demands I must listen and obey to their ranting then no deal.

It is a two way street but many just want it one way and it is their one way we must travel down on!

 

[Zorro!]

We have the right to have our own opinion if you don't like it too bad for you.

And you have the right to be shown that what you believe is a load of racist dog shit. If you don't like it too bad for you.

And people have the right to tune those like you out because let admit reality you hate white society and believe your opinion is the only opinion that matters on race hate and relations...

And that's the rub. Eric "The With" Holder and Obama used to love to say they wanted "a conversation about race", when the liars didn't want a conversation at all, they wanted us to shut up and listen while they barfed their hateful bile all over our tennis shoes.

I have no issue with open dialogue but if the other side demands I must listen and obey to their ranting then no deal.

It is a two way street but many just want it one way and it is their one way we must travel down on!

Exactly. They are disrespectful of you personally even as they seek to engage you in a conversation about the importance of respecting others. What you can quickly deduce is that they of all people are not be listened to on the subject.

We need to realize that it would wrong for us to tie up valuable time for them that they should be using for careful self-reflection so they may become aware of their own shortcomings and being to work on resolving them in a positive manner.