Why should government be kept smaller, and restricted to only certain tasks?

[Contumacious]

The fact that our various governments forcibly insert themselves into EVERYTHING now does not mean they HAVE to or that it's impossible to get anything accomplished if they don't. .

HUH?

Aren't you the promoter of "let the government nationalize womens uteri" campaign?

Aren't you the one who wants bureaucratic hands right on their vulva so that they can control what goes in and out?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Recheck your premises !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Repeating...

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[OnePercenter]

Off the top of my head? Lake Buena Vista, Bay Lake, and the Reedy Creek Improvement District in Florida. If you want more examples of what is colloquially known as a company town, let me know.

All were written-off by the developers.

The entire development is "written off." You obviously think that is some kind of magic which means the developer doesn't have to pay for it.

Ever hear of an Enterprise Zone? There are many in every state.

 

[OnePercenter]

Don't confuse him with facts.

Developers are required to build all the infrastructure when they build, out of their own pocket, but he wants to give the government all the credit.

Then the cost is written-off which is unrealized revenue. Unrealized revenue has to be made up somewhere, namely taxpayers.

It's not revenue. It's a business expense, just as putting the sod on the lawns in the development is a business expense.

Unrealized tax revenue.

 

[TRFjr]

Government needs to do what needs doing. Some things government does more efficiently and effectively than individuals can. That is why we formed governments.

Why try to arbitrarily restrict the size of government?

Let the voters decide what size government they want

as long as the public can vote for their free lunch they will until they wake up one day and realize they trade away all their liberty and rights for that free lunch

 

[OnePercenter]

Depends on the community.

Which community in the US hasn't had infrastructure provided by the government?

That wasn't your question, Chuckles, and moving the goalposts doesn't work with me.

The fact that our various governments forcibly insert themselves into EVERYTHING now does not mean they HAVE to or that it's impossible to get anything accomplished if they don't. I realize your tiny brain doesn't have the capacity for imagination in it to picture a world different from the one you've occupied all your life, but that is actually very recent and localized, globally speaking. For a much, MUCH longer time, communities lived without any real government to speak of except in a very distant, mostly abstract sense (Yeah, there's a king, but who the hell sees him?).

Even today, right here in America, there are many small communities that just don't bother with the trappings of bureaucracy and handle community concerns themselves. Yes, they still have government-funded roads and shit near them, because it's hard to get away from those fuckers, even when you're trying. Do they require it? Despite your inability to imagine or believe it, the answer is no.

'small communities that just don't bother with the trappings of bureaucracy and handle community concerns themselves' Care to name one?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Unrealized tax revenue.

Unrealized tax revenue?

Is that a new way of saying "You didn't earn that?"

 

[bripat9643]

Then the cost is written-off which is unrealized revenue. Unrealized revenue has to be made up somewhere, namely taxpayers.

It's not revenue. It's a business expense, just as putting the sod on the lawns in the development is a business expense.

Unrealized tax revenue.

Where would the tax revenue be "realized" from? Since does government tax businesses for the expenses they incur? Do you know anything about business or taxation?

 

[bripat9643]

Government needs to do what needs doing. Some things government does more efficiently and effectively than individuals can. That is why we formed governments.

Why try to arbitrarily restrict the size of government?

Let the voters decide what size government they want

as long as the public can vote for their free lunch they will until they wake up one day and realize they trade away all their liberty and rights for that free lunch

You're giving them too much credit for realizing they traded away their freedom. The serfs still believe they are free.

 

[bripat9643]

Unrealized tax revenue.

Unrealized tax revenue?

Is that a new way of saying "You didn't earn that?"

OnePrecenter seems to be confusing an expense with revenue. He thinks that when a developer spends money on building a street, that's revenue rather than money out of his pocket..

Hard to believe, I know, but there it is.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's not revenue. It's a business expense, just as putting the sod on the lawns in the development is a business expense.

Unrealized tax revenue.

Where would the tax revenue be "realized" from?

Taxpayers

Since does government tax businesses for the expenses they incur?

They don't. Expenses are subsidized (write-off) so it's unrealized (lost).

Do you know anything about business or taxation?

More than you.

 

[OnePercenter]

Unrealized tax revenue.

Unrealized tax revenue?

Is that a new way of saying "You didn't earn that?"

OnePrecenter seems to be confusing an expense with revenue. He thinks that when a developer spends money on building a street, that's revenue rather than money out of his pocket..

Hard to believe, I know, but there it is.

Backed you into a corner?

 

[TRFjr]

Government needs to do what needs doing. Some things government does more efficiently and effectively than individuals can. That is why we formed governments.

Why try to arbitrarily restrict the size of government?

Let the voters decide what size government they want

as long as the public can vote for their free lunch they will until they wake up one day and realize they trade away all their liberty and rights for that free lunch

You're giving them too much credit for realizing they traded away their freedom. The serfs still believe they are free.

until there isn't any one left to pay for that free lunch

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Intense is going to burn in hellfire.

 

[bripat9643]

Every community. It's all directly or in-directly on the taxpayers dime.

Wrong. It's almost entirely on the developer's dime.

Which the developer receives a subsidy (write-off) on cost of products, raw materials, freight, storage, labor costs, pensions, annuities, and overhead, which become unrealized tax revenues to be made up by taxpayers.

All the developers expenses are deducted from his revenue to get his net income. That's how the income tax works, dipshit. It taxes INCOME, not expenditures. By definition, building infrastructure is an expense that has to be deducted from revenue, just like any other expense.

You really don't understand the concepts of "business expense" and "write-off."

 

[bripat9643]

All were written-off by the developers.

The entire development is "written off." You obviously think that is some kind of magic which means the developer doesn't have to pay for it.

Ever hear of an Enterprise Zone? There are many in every state.

Yes, and that still doesn't mean the developer doesn't have to pay for the infrastructure he builds.

 

[bripat9643]

Then the cost is written-off which is unrealized revenue. Unrealized revenue has to be made up somewhere, namely taxpayers.

It's not revenue. It's a business expense, just as putting the sod on the lawns in the development is a business expense.

Unrealized tax revenue.

It's not revenue, period. Expenses are not revenue. Refer to basic accounting, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Unrealized tax revenue.

Taxpayers



They don't. Expenses are subsidized (write-off) so it's unrealized (lost).

No, they aren't subsidized. Expense are always deducted from revenue to determine income. The government taxes income, not revenue or expenses.

Do you know anything about business or taxation?

More than you.

Obviously not. You don't even know what an expense or a write-off is.

 

[editec]

Government needs to do what needs doing. Some things government does more efficiently and effectively than individuals can. That is why we formed governments.

Why try to arbitrarily restrict the size of government?

Let the voters decide what size government they want

as long as the public can vote for their free lunch they will until they wake up one day and realize they trade away all their liberty and rights for that free lunch

You're giving them too much credit for realizing they traded away their freedom. The serfs still believe they are free.

The serfs were never free.

In a world driven by capitalist theory, only capital is free.

Have enough capital and you can perhaps, if you're careful, buy enough freedom to thrive.

But as the BIG FISH are now eating the small fish (using the government to do it) many of you who might be "free" for now, are going to become SERFS yourselves, soon enough.

Welcome to our nightmare.

 

[bripat9643]

Unrealized tax revenue?

Is that a new way of saying "You didn't earn that?"

OnePrecenter seems to be confusing an expense with revenue. He thinks that when a developer spends money on building a street, that's revenue rather than money out of his pocket..

Hard to believe, I know, but there it is.

Backed you into a corner?

In a manner of speaking. When confronted with abject stupidity, one doesn't know how to proceed. You don't even understand what an expense or a write-off is. You don't understand that distinction between revenue and expense. How can you argue with someone who doesn't understand the basic terms of the debate?

 

[rdean]

This is a complex world with difficult problems and situations. We need a government that reflects that.

Example, Republicans screaming about Obama's birth certificate.

Now the US can spy on the prime minister of Germany, one of the great technological powers, undetected and yet a Republican administration can't figure out if one Democrat was born in this country? With all that technology and all those resources, a young mother who is a US Citizen and was born in this country who is on food stamps could fool the government 50 years ago because she knew her son would be president?????

This is why it's dangerous to have Republicans in power. They don't understand technology and have no common sense.