Why Should Chauvin Charge Be Upgraded ? (3rd Degree Murder to 2nd Degree)

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Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison has announced that the murder charge against Derek Chauvin has been upgraded from 3rd degree murder, to 2nd degree murder. The 2nd degree charge carries an addition 15 years of imprisonment possibility (from 25 years to 40).

Looking at the definitions of both of these charges, I can see a 3rd degree murder charge being feasible, but 2nd degree looks questionable. The question is >> what justifies it ? Ellison said at a news conference that evidence "supports a stronger charge" for Derek Chauvin, Ellison hasn't said what that evidence is. I haven't seen any news report saying WHAT evidence that is, that could support the upgrade.

Here are the definitions of both >

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.

Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

It looks like 3rd degree (a) fits. 2nd degree could fit IF there is some evidence to show that Chauvin was "committing or attempting to commit a felony offense"

Here's the question. What felony offense would that be, that Chauvin could be said to have been committing, or attempting to attempting to commit ?

Ellison himself said >> "Trying this case will not be an easy thing. Winning a conviction will be hard." If he thinks that, why did he raise the charge to 2nd degree murder ? Could that have been poltically motivated, to gather support for him from the community ?

 
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison has announced that the murder charge against Derek Chauvin has been upgraded from 3rd degree murder, to 2nd degree murder. The 2nd degree charge carries an addition 15 years of imprisonment possibility (from 25 years to 40).

Looking at the definitions of both of these charges, I can see a 3rd degree murder charge being feasible, but 2nd degree looks questionable. The question is >> what justifies it ? Ellison said at a news conference that evidence "supports a stronger charge" for Derek Chauvin, Ellison hasn't said what that evidence is. I haven't seen any news report saying WHAT evidence that is, that could support the upgrade.

Here are the definitions of both >

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.

Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

It looks like 3rd degree (a) fits. 2nd degree could fit IF there is some evidence to show that Chauvin was "committing or attempting to commit a felony offense"

Here's the question. What felony offense would that be, that Chauvin could be said to have been committing, or attempting to attempting to commit ?

Ellison himself said >> "Trying this case will not be an easy thing. Winning a conviction will be hard." If he thinks that, why did he raise the charge to 2nd degree murder ? Could that have been poltically motivated, to gather support for him from the community ?


No it was not politically motivated.
 
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison has announced that the murder charge against Derek Chauvin has been upgraded from 3rd degree murder, to 2nd degree murder. The 2nd degree charge carries an addition 15 years of imprisonment possibility (from 25 years to 40).

Looking at the definitions of both of these charges, I can see a 3rd degree murder charge being feasible, but 2nd degree looks questionable. The question is >> what justifies it ? Ellison said at a news conference that evidence "supports a stronger charge" for Derek Chauvin, Ellison hasn't said what that evidence is. I haven't seen any news report saying WHAT evidence that is, that could support the upgrade.

Here are the definitions of both >

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.

Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

It looks like 3rd degree (a) fits. 2nd degree could fit IF there is some evidence to show that Chauvin was "committing or attempting to commit a felony offense"

Here's the question. What felony offense would that be, that Chauvin could be said to have been committing, or attempting to attempting to commit ?

Ellison himself said >> "Trying this case will not be an easy thing. Winning a conviction will be hard." If he thinks that, why did he raise the charge to 2nd degree murder ? Could that have been poltically motivated, to gather support for him from the community ?


No it was not politically motivated.

yes it is
 
In common legal parlance, Officer Chauvin's conduct reflected a reckless disregard for human life, so the Third Degree is feasible.

But in practice, the charge is just "homicide," and the fact-finder will determine the degree of guilt, as well as the sentence. This is all just window-dressing.
 
Answer to thread question: Because if the charges are not upgraded, there will be more and even more violent riots.
 
No it was not politically motivated.
That's what you say it was not. Do you have an opinion on what it IS ?

Weird how Ellison took the time and trouble to get in front of the press and announce an upgrade to 2nd degree, and then not say why.
 
Answer to thread question: Because if the charges are not upgraded, there will be more and even more violent riots.
Sadly, the riots may continue no matter what does or doesn't happen. At the end of the day, is whatever happens in any situation ever really sufficiently enough? Who hasn't felt completely ripped off at least once in their life?

God bless you always!!!

Holly
 
Answer to thread question: Because if the charges are not upgraded, there will be more and even more violent riots.
Sadly, the riots may continue no matter what does or doesn't happen. At the end of the day, is whatever happens in any situation ever really sufficiently enough? Who hasn't felt completely ripped off at least once in their life?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Oh, yes.

The riots will continue.

Just down the road another incident is waiting in the wings.

It will be interesting to see how President Biden handles it.



Have a nice day!
 
Oh, yes. The riots will continue. Just down the road another incident is waiting in the wings.

It will be interesting to see how President Biden handles it.

Have a nice day!
By waving his cane, from his rocking chair, in his nursing home, and saying "Right on, freedom fighters!"
 
Answer to thread question: Because if the charges are not upgraded, there will be more and even more violent riots.
Sadly, the riots may continue no matter what does or doesn't happen. At the end of the day, is whatever happens in any situation ever really sufficiently enough? Who hasn't felt completely ripped off at least once in their life?

God bless you always!!!

Holly

Oh, yes.

The riots will continue.

Just down the road another incident is waiting in the wings.

It will be interesting to see how President Biden handles it.

Have a nice day!
If Mr. Biden has such a job on his plate when the dust has finally settled.

God bless you always!!!

Holly
 
Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison has announced that the murder charge against Derek Chauvin has been upgraded from 3rd degree murder, to 2nd degree murder. The 2nd degree charge carries an addition 15 years of imprisonment possibility (from 25 years to 40).

Looking at the definitions of both of these charges, I can see a 3rd degree murder charge being feasible, but 2nd degree looks questionable. The question is >> what justifies it ? Ellison said at a news conference that evidence "supports a stronger charge" for Derek Chauvin, Ellison hasn't said what that evidence is. I haven't seen any news report saying WHAT evidence that is, that could support the upgrade.

Here are the definitions of both >

609.19 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

Subd. 2.Unintentional murders.

Whoever does either of the following is guilty of unintentional murder in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of a human being, without intent to effect the death of any person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence or a drive-by shooting; or

(2) causes the death of a human being without intent to effect the death of any person, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict bodily harm upon the victim, when the perpetrator is restrained under an order for protection and the victim is a person designated to receive protection under the order. As used in this clause, "order for protection" includes an order for protection issued under chapter 518B; a harassment restraining order issued under section 609.748; a court order setting conditions of pretrial release or conditions of a criminal sentence or juvenile court disposition; a restraining order issued in a marriage dissolution action; and any order issued by a court of another state or of the United States that is similar to any of these orders.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.

(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

It looks like 3rd degree (a) fits. 2nd degree could fit IF there is some evidence to show that Chauvin was "committing or attempting to commit a felony offense"

Here's the question. What felony offense would that be, that Chauvin could be said to have been committing, or attempting to attempting to commit ?

Ellison himself said >> "Trying this case will not be an easy thing. Winning a conviction will be hard." If he thinks that, why did he raise the charge to 2nd degree murder ? Could that have been poltically motivated, to gather support for him from the community ?

The Dem probably want the Policemen to win their case so that they can use it for a campaign issue
 

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