Why No Discussion Of How Barry Withheld Military Weapons From Crimea Before Putin Invaded?

[Third Party]

Democrats continue to push their 'Collusion Delusion 2.0: Crimea', claiming President Trump withheld military weapons / aid (that was delivered as promised without Ukraine having to do anything). U.S. Envoy to Ukraine presented his 2nd-hand account during testimony in which he said he was 'frightened Ukrainians might die' if the weapons that have already been delivered were withheld.

So, instead of appeasing the butt-hurt Dems / snowflakes by giving another one of their fairytales any more time than it deserves (which was about 30 seconds) - talking about US Military weapons that have already been delivered....

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about the fact that Barry and Biden refused to send any weapons to the Ukraine and refused to allow the sale of weapons to the Ukraine they could have used to defend themselves against the Russian invasion that occurred a short time later, resulting in Putin's take-over of Crimea?


"You can’t have a quid pro quo without the other party being aware there’s a quid and reports indicated the Ukrainian government was unaware that aid was allegedly being withheld to pressure them to dig up dirt on Trump opponent Joe Biden. And the aid wasn’t really aid, but was additional Javelin anti-tank missiles bought and paid for by Ukraine with its own money. But as long as we are on the subject of whether or not President Trump was jeopardizing U.S. national security by withholding military aid for political purposes, consider that almost as soon as Trump took office he had restored lethal aid to Ukraine that the Obama-Biden administration had cut off."


FLASHBACK TIME:

2009: Hillary presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with the infamous plastic/wooden 'RESET' prop (with a plague with the Russian word 'Overcharge' instead of 'Reset' incompetently attached) to symbolize a hpe for improved relations between the U.S. and Russia. (Sergei enjoyed a good laugh...)

2012: "President Obama promised Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, South Korea that after his re-election he would have more "flexibility" to weaken missile defense and otherwise weaken U.S. resistance to Russian ambitions and aggressions"

2014: Vladimir Putin amassed troops on Ukraine's border, obviously setting the stage for an invasion. Years earlier the United States had made an unofficial promise to help defend Ukraine's sovereign borders in the future. In 2014, Barak Obama ignored Ukraine's call for help / request for weapons to defend themselves against the coming invasion. Barry didn't even issue an ill-advised, hollow 'Red-Line' warning to Putin about invading Ukraine as he had done to al-Assad regarding Syria' s gassing of its people. Obama did NOTHING.

Actually....

"President Obama did less than nothing, sending only supplies worthy of a Boy Scout Jamboree rather than a sovereign nation resisting Russian aggression. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in 2015 warned Congress that Russian actions in the Ukraine were the start of a new Cold War and that President Obama’s actions were inadequate.

Poroshenko asked for things like anti-tank weaponry and in a bit of perhaps unintended sarcasm during an emotional speech to Congress, Poroshenko said that "blankets, night-vision goggles are also important" but that "one cannot win the war with blankets.""


Looking at what the Democrats are accusing President Trump of doing today and the reality of what Barry and Biden REFUSED to do in 2014, it is clear the only President / administration to have withheld vital military aid and in turn helped this nation's enemies is the Obama administration - Barry and Biden!




https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/10/trump_gave_ukraine_what_obama_withheld.html

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Looks like you and your fellow rightwing nitwits need to get to work impeaching Obama.

Otherwise, this fails as a red herring fallacy.

Up until right wing nitwits, you sounded intelligent-now you are just another name caller.

 

[easyt65]

What I have a problem with is openly inviting Russian aggression. Which did that? Obama or Trump? Who welcomed Russia into Syria?

So you are ok with Barry telling Putin's puppet, Medvedev, in 2012 - when he thought no one could hear - to tell Vlad he would be more flexible after re-election...then 2 years later giving Putin US uranium, Crimea, and 2 years of un-challenged interfering in the US, attempts to hack our power grid, counter-Intel ops that got snowflakes to organize and march for Russia, and pay liberal groups like Antifa to create racial division and violence in the US...which Barry's own administration admitted happened while admitting they did not do enough to stop it?!

So you are ok with the Nobel Peace Prize winner paying all that for Putin's permission to invade Syria?! nd with Barry leaving troops there to fight HIS war when he left?!

How long did you want our troops to remain in Syria as 'Human Shields' for the Kurds, a people with no country they are welcome in?

 

[Third Party]

Trump was leveraging aid for help in getting re-elected...directly

How was Obama helping his re-election campaign?

You don't KNOW that for certain-unless you can read minds.

 

[easyt65]

Trump was leveraging aid for help in getting re-elected...directly

Sorry, the 'Collusion Delusion 1.0' died with the Mueller report and the exposure of Weismann driving the Obama Coup train while figurehead Mueller colored in his coloring book in the corner.

Keep up, snowflake - even Democrats abandoned that con - they are on to 'Collusion Delusion 2.0: Ukraine'.

 

[Lesh]

Know what?

That Trump was leveraging aid to Ukraine based on getting Zelensky to make a public statement that he was investigating Trump's political opponent?

Well besides the "phone call" and all the texts, and all those witnesses...there's Mick Mulvaney ADMITTING it on national TV

 

[easyt65]

How was Obama helping his re-election campaign?

No - Barry was keeping his 2012 word to Medvedev and Putin. The reason he protected Hillary from prison and tried to get her elected was to protect his 'legacy'.

 

[easyt65]

Know what?

That Trump was leveraging aid to Ukraine based on getting Zelensky to make a public statement that he was investigating Trump's political opponent?

Well besides the "phone call" and all the texts, and all those witnesses...there's Mick Mulvaney ADMITTING it on national TV

The only ones who traveled to Ukraine to solicit foreign help in affecting a US election was Hillary and the Democrats.

But that has little to do with Barry 1st withholding weapons from Ukraine to ensure Vlad and Russia would not have any trouble taking Crimea from Ukraine.

 

[Rigby5]

What makes this whole thread foolish is that it is giving weapons to the Ukraine that makes invasion NECESSARY.
The Ukraine obviously was after NATO nukes, and Russia could never allow that.
In fact, the Ukraine did so much weapons work for Russia, they could not allow them even considering western alliances.

 

[Circe]

It didn't matter about Obama and Crimea because that was like Hitler's Anschluss of Austria --- the people lined the roads cheering and throwing flowers. They WANTED a Russian takeover.

There is absolutely nothing anyone can or should do about a situation like that.

 

[Lesh]

What makes this whole thread foolish is that it is giving weapons to the Ukraine that makes invasion NECESSARY.
The Ukraine obviously was after NATO nukes, and Russia could never allow that.
In fact, the Ukraine did so much weapons work for Russia, they could not allow them even considering western alliances.

I see Putin's favorite apologist is spewing nonsense again

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Democrats continue to push their 'Collusion Delusion 2.0: Crimea', claiming President Trump withheld military weapons / aid (that was delivered as promised without Ukraine having to do anything). U.S. Envoy to Ukraine presented his 2nd-hand account during testimony in which he said he was 'frightened Ukrainians might die' if the weapons that have already been delivered were withheld.

So, instead of appeasing the butt-hurt Dems / snowflakes by giving another one of their fairytales any more time than it deserves (which was about 30 seconds) - talking about US Military weapons that have already been delivered....

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about the fact that Barry and Biden refused to send any weapons to the Ukraine and refused to allow the sale of weapons to the Ukraine they could have used to defend themselves against the Russian invasion that occurred a short time later, resulting in Putin's take-over of Crimea?


"You can’t have a quid pro quo without the other party being aware there’s a quid and reports indicated the Ukrainian government was unaware that aid was allegedly being withheld to pressure them to dig up dirt on Trump opponent Joe Biden. And the aid wasn’t really aid, but was additional Javelin anti-tank missiles bought and paid for by Ukraine with its own money. But as long as we are on the subject of whether or not President Trump was jeopardizing U.S. national security by withholding military aid for political purposes, consider that almost as soon as Trump took office he had restored lethal aid to Ukraine that the Obama-Biden administration had cut off."


FLASHBACK TIME:

2009: Hillary presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with the infamous plastic/wooden 'RESET' prop (with a plague with the Russian word 'Overcharge' instead of 'Reset' incompetently attached) to symbolize a hpe for improved relations between the U.S. and Russia. (Sergei enjoyed a good laugh...)

2012: "President Obama promised Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, South Korea that after his re-election he would have more "flexibility" to weaken missile defense and otherwise weaken U.S. resistance to Russian ambitions and aggressions"

2014: Vladimir Putin amassed troops on Ukraine's border, obviously setting the stage for an invasion. Years earlier the United States had made an unofficial promise to help defend Ukraine's sovereign borders in the future. In 2014, Barak Obama ignored Ukraine's call for help / request for weapons to defend themselves against the coming invasion. Barry didn't even issue an ill-advised, hollow 'Red-Line' warning to Putin about invading Ukraine as he had done to al-Assad regarding Syria' s gassing of its people. Obama did NOTHING.

Actually....

"President Obama did less than nothing, sending only supplies worthy of a Boy Scout Jamboree rather than a sovereign nation resisting Russian aggression. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in 2015 warned Congress that Russian actions in the Ukraine were the start of a new Cold War and that President Obama’s actions were inadequate.

Poroshenko asked for things like anti-tank weaponry and in a bit of perhaps unintended sarcasm during an emotional speech to Congress, Poroshenko said that "blankets, night-vision goggles are also important" but that "one cannot win the war with blankets.""


Looking at what the Democrats are accusing President Trump of doing today and the reality of what Barry and Biden REFUSED to do in 2014, it is clear the only President / administration to have withheld vital military aid and in turn helped this nation's enemies is the Obama administration - Barry and Biden!




Trump Gave Ukraine What Obama Withheld

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For the same reason we won't be discussing his failure to provide them to Ukraine and for which we have to avoid the fact Joe did the same until forced to by the polls when it was too late to prevent an invasion.

It's not comfortable territory for them.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

What makes this whole thread foolish is that it is giving weapons to the Ukraine that makes invasion NECESSARY.
The Ukraine obviously was after NATO nukes, and Russia could never allow that.
In fact, the Ukraine did so much weapons work for Russia, they could not allow them even considering western alliances.

What a steaming pile of BS, there's not an actual fact anywhere to support your claims.

Ukraine was the 3rd leading country in the world behind the US and Russia when it voluntarily gave up it's nukes in exchange for promises from Russia that something like this would never happen.

The US, Russia, and Ukraine were all signatories of that agreement.

In cowardly fashion both Obama and Biden abdicated on our promise.

 

[justoffal]

Democrats continue to push their 'Collusion Delusion 2.0: Crimea', claiming President Trump withheld military weapons / aid (that was delivered as promised without Ukraine having to do anything). U.S. Envoy to Ukraine presented his 2nd-hand account during testimony in which he said he was 'frightened Ukrainians might die' if the weapons that have already been delivered were withheld.

So, instead of appeasing the butt-hurt Dems / snowflakes by giving another one of their fairytales any more time than it deserves (which was about 30 seconds) - talking about US Military weapons that have already been delivered....

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about the fact that Barry and Biden refused to send any weapons to the Ukraine and refused to allow the sale of weapons to the Ukraine they could have used to defend themselves against the Russian invasion that occurred a short time later, resulting in Putin's take-over of Crimea?


"You can’t have a quid pro quo without the other party being aware there’s a quid and reports indicated the Ukrainian government was unaware that aid was allegedly being withheld to pressure them to dig up dirt on Trump opponent Joe Biden. And the aid wasn’t really aid, but was additional Javelin anti-tank missiles bought and paid for by Ukraine with its own money. But as long as we are on the subject of whether or not President Trump was jeopardizing U.S. national security by withholding military aid for political purposes, consider that almost as soon as Trump took office he had restored lethal aid to Ukraine that the Obama-Biden administration had cut off."


FLASHBACK TIME:

2009: Hillary presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with the infamous plastic/wooden 'RESET' prop (with a plague with the Russian word 'Overcharge' instead of 'Reset' incompetently attached) to symbolize a hpe for improved relations between the U.S. and Russia. (Sergei enjoyed a good laugh...)

2012: "President Obama promised Russian President Dmitry Medvedev at the Nuclear Security Summit in Seoul, South Korea that after his re-election he would have more "flexibility" to weaken missile defense and otherwise weaken U.S. resistance to Russian ambitions and aggressions"

2014: Vladimir Putin amassed troops on Ukraine's border, obviously setting the stage for an invasion. Years earlier the United States had made an unofficial promise to help defend Ukraine's sovereign borders in the future. In 2014, Barak Obama ignored Ukraine's call for help / request for weapons to defend themselves against the coming invasion. Barry didn't even issue an ill-advised, hollow 'Red-Line' warning to Putin about invading Ukraine as he had done to al-Assad regarding Syria' s gassing of its people. Obama did NOTHING.

Actually....

"President Obama did less than nothing, sending only supplies worthy of a Boy Scout Jamboree rather than a sovereign nation resisting Russian aggression. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in 2015 warned Congress that Russian actions in the Ukraine were the start of a new Cold War and that President Obama’s actions were inadequate.

Poroshenko asked for things like anti-tank weaponry and in a bit of perhaps unintended sarcasm during an emotional speech to Congress, Poroshenko said that "blankets, night-vision goggles are also important" but that "one cannot win the war with blankets.""


Looking at what the Democrats are accusing President Trump of doing today and the reality of what Barry and Biden REFUSED to do in 2014, it is clear the only President / administration to have withheld vital military aid and in turn helped this nation's enemies is the Obama administration - Barry and Biden!




Trump Gave Ukraine What Obama Withheld

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This could be one reason.
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