Why Isn't 20,000 Border Patrol Agents Enough

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What a dumbass! You think those agents work 24/7/365?

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why does it have to be paved?

Your information is incredibly wrong. That barrier has a road and it it is virtually impossible to get over without serious injury. Consuelo and her baby are not getting over that wall that is a difficult task for special operations troops to conquer. Jose might, but he will be picked up when the electronic surveillance catches him trying and the patrol scoops his ass up while he is waiting on the American side for his BMW and their offspring to try to get across.

The road doesn't have to be paved but it might detract from Trump's big beautiful wall if it was gravel.

Electronic surveillance of the wall is not going to be much use if the border patrol has to drive across the desert for two hours to get to the wall.

Consuelo and her 6 kids will have no real problem getting over the wall because she will pay a coyote with the necessary equipment to get her over. The test done on the wall in California reveal the height of the wall would need to be 30 feet, over 10 feet higher than what has been planned.

You are a true liberal. Most of this shit you post simply is not true!

Coyotes have helicopters now?

 

[Norman]

Border patrol agents want a wall.

 

[Norman]

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why does it have to be paved?

Your information is incredibly wrong. That barrier has a road and it it is virtually impossible to get over without serious injury. Consuelo and her baby are not getting over that wall that is a difficult task for special operations troops to conquer. Jose might, but he will be picked up when the electronic surveillance catches him trying and the patrol scoops his ass up while he is waiting on the American side for his BMW and their offspring to try to get across.

The road doesn't have to be paved but it might detract from Trump's big beautiful wall if it was gravel.

Electronic surveillance of the wall is not going to be much use if the border patrol has to drive across the desert for two hours to get to the wall.

Consuelo and her 6 kids will have no real problem getting over the wall because she will pay a coyote with the necessary equipment to get her over. The test done on the wall in California reveal the height of the wall would need to be 30 feet, over 10 feet higher than what has been planned.

You are a true liberal. Most of this shit you post simply is not true!

Coyotes have helicopters now?

Not only that, but he is playing defeatist, just like a liberal. "Wife's black boyfriend is here and would like you to watch"... well nothing that can be done, better watch. This is your brain on soy.

The border patrol agents want the wall, at this point everyone knows it's not only effective but SUPREMELY effective. Which is exactly why the party of the illegals is resisting it so hard, they want this country swamped by 3rd worlders.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

What a dumbass! You think those agents work 24/7/365?

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why on God's green earth would be the purpose of putting a road next to the border on a fucking map?

You are such a dumbass!

You see that little strip of border west of Yuma? I have been there and have seen the road along the border with my own eyes. Where is it on your stupid map?

I work on a military base. Guess what? The roads on the base do not appear on maps available for the general public. Why? They aren't allowed on the fucking road! Just like no one needs to know where the roads are along the border because they aren't allowed on those fucking roads!

I swear you have the intellect of a middle school student at best! Start learning some critical thinking skills or sue your school district for letting a dumbass loose on the public!

 

[Norman]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

What a dumbass! You think those agents work 24/7/365?

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why on God's green earth would be the purpose of putting a road next to the border on a fucking map?

You are such a dumbass!

You see that little strip of border west of Yuma? I have been there and have seen the road along the border with my own eyes. Where is it on your stupid map?

I work on a military base. Guess what? The roads on the base do not appear on maps available for the general public. Why? They aren't allowed on the fucking road! Just like no one needs to know where the roads are along the border because they aren't allowed on those fucking roads!

I swear you have the intellect of a middle school student at best! Start learning some critical thinking skills or sue your school district for letting a dumbass loose on the public!

It's just a form of supreme cognitive dissonance. He wants America swarmed by Mexicans so that the democrat party wins, promises free shit to everyone... which after in 5 years the money runs out and we have a deadliest civil war in the history of mankind. Note that because he is a loser, seeing society burn is the best option.

 

[bripat9643]

We don't need 15,000 agents. Again Trump is trying to please his base. It may not matter anyweay.

"In a sign of the difficulties, Customs and Border Protection allocated $60.7 million to Accenture Federal Services, a management consulting firm, as part of a $297 million contract to recruit, vet and hire 7,500 border officers over five years, but the company has produced only 33 new hires so far.

The president's promised hiring surge steadily lost ground even as he publicly hammered away at the need for stiffer border security, warned of a looming migrant "invasion" and shut down parts of the government for five weeks over his demands for $5.7 billion from Congress for a border wall.

The Border Patrol gained a total of 120 agents in 2018, the first net gain in five years."

Trump's border hiring surge has fallen far short

We get 400,000 illegals / year, so we obviously need more of something. Without a wall, that means we need to get more agents. All you're saying is that you're content to allow 400,000 illegals into the country every year. That's what makes you a douchebag and a traitor.

 

[The Original Tree]

People are stupid..... I mean really stupid.

Only 1/3rd of Border Patrol is on duty at any time.

That does not include vacation, sick time and other personal time that they may need to use.

The Entire Border Patrol work force can never be at the border even if they intentionally mobilized the entire force.

Some of them are mechanics maintaining the vehicles, dispatchers, office workers, etc. etc. Others have to work with DEA, or are involved in supervising illegals that are apprehended etc.

Add to that the fact that border patrol agents cannot work alone because of how dangerous the job is and how they are outnumbered at any given time.

You have 2,000 miles of border to monitor..... That does not mean a thin perfectly straight line. There is terrain, boulders, ravines, rivers, and all kinds of shrubs, and things that obstruct your view.

At best there are only around 5,000 actual agents that can be deployed at any one time, and these agents are usually deployed in clusters, and in groups, not spread out equidistant along a straight narrow line.

That means there are vast areas all along the border that there just aren't agents.

If we had enough agents, like The Left says we do, not one illegal would get in to the country.

We have 500,000 a year slipping through from over 150 countries because the entire world knows that the easiest place to sneak in to The US is at The Southern Border.

The way they have to patrol, we are only able to place groups of agents if they were spaced out equally, every 12 miles or more.

Some areas where we have regular problems you might have 50 agents in one area and none in another.

And other places we just can't station anyone there because there isn't support infrastructure for them, so you might not see a border patrol agent for 10-20 miles along the border in some spots, and even more in more remote mountainous areas.

 

[Flopper]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Well, to be fair, they have to sleep and only work (I assume) roughly 40 hours per week.

So, (yes, I am bored right now), there are 168 hours in a week. So assuming each border agent works 42 hours per week, that would mean 4 border agents per section of fence to cover it 24/7.
And I would hope they would have a partner (I do not know). One single, border agent trying to single-handedly stop illegal immigrants in their 'sector' seems a lot to ask.
So that leaves 8 border agents per section (assuming that zero agents were held back for processing and the like).
That would raise the length of border that each pair covers to 2,320 feet.
(all of the above is based on your estimates)
That is almost a half a mile.
That seems fair to me.

I understand your point...but I just could not resist a little quick math.

Actually the most important thing about the border patrol is not really the numbers but what they do. If you take the time to look at a map of areas surrounding all the small towns on the border you will see that there are very few roads anywhere near the border once you leave these town. That means the border patrol has to patrol on highways that are often 10 to 50 miles from the border. To actually get to the border means driving on dirt and gravel farm roads or just through the desert which can take a half hour to a half day to reach the border. Migrants crossing the border are long gone before the border patrol arrives. This situation is true in most of the remote areas of the border which is most of the border. What is needed is good roads close to border. In that way the border patrol will be able to actual drive close to border and watch for intruders. With intrusion monitoring, the time it takes to get to a point of intrusion will be mins.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

That's still 4000 people for two thousand miles of border per shift.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Only 700 are not a natural border.
We need to carpet bomb Mexico.

Prayer carpet?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

/——/ Why isn’t 11,000,000 illegals enough?

 

[Flopper]

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why does it have to be paved?

Your information is incredibly wrong. That barrier has a road and it it is virtually impossible to get over without serious injury. Consuelo and her baby are not getting over that wall that is a difficult task for special operations troops to conquer. Jose might, but he will be picked up when the electronic surveillance catches him trying and the patrol scoops his ass up while he is waiting on the American side for his BMW and their offspring to try to get across.

The road doesn't have to be paved but it might detract from Trump's big beautiful wall if it was gravel.

Electronic surveillance of the wall is not going to be much use if the border patrol has to drive across the desert for two hours to get to the wall.

Consuelo and her 6 kids will have no real problem getting over the wall because she will pay a coyote with the necessary equipment to get her over. The test done on the wall in California reveal the height of the wall would need to be 30 feet, over 10 feet higher than what has been planned.

You are a true liberal. Most of this shit you post simply is not true!

Coyotes have helicopters now?

They don't need them now. In fact, most migrants crossing the border successful don't need coyotes. Of course, that will all change if we put up higher barriers.

 

[busybee01]

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why does it have to be paved?

Your information is incredibly wrong. That barrier has a road and it it is virtually impossible to get over without serious injury. Consuelo and her baby are not getting over that wall that is a difficult task for special operations troops to conquer. Jose might, but he will be picked up when the electronic surveillance catches him trying and the patrol scoops his ass up while he is waiting on the American side for his BMW and their offspring to try to get across.

The road doesn't have to be paved but it might detract from Trump's big beautiful wall if it was gravel.

Electronic surveillance of the wall is not going to be much use if the border patrol has to drive across the desert for two hours to get to the wall.

Consuelo and her 6 kids will have no real problem getting over the wall because she will pay a coyote with the necessary equipment to get her over. The test done on the wall in California reveal the height of the wall would need to be 30 feet, over 10 feet higher than what has been planned.

You are a true liberal. Most of this shit you post simply is not true!

Coyotes have helicopters now?

Not only that, but he is playing defeatist, just like a liberal. "Wife's black boyfriend is here and would like you to watch"... well nothing that can be done, better watch. This is your brain on soy.

The border patrol agents want the wall, at this point everyone knows it's not only effective but SUPREMELY effective. Which is exactly why the party of the illegals is resisting it so hard, they want this country swamped by 3rd worlders.

Most voters do not want a wall.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

well clearly the amount we are using isn't enough, and once the wall is built, those numbers can be cut back.

 

[busybee01]

We don't need 15,000 agents. Again Trump is trying to please his base. It may not matter anyweay.

"In a sign of the difficulties, Customs and Border Protection allocated $60.7 million to Accenture Federal Services, a management consulting firm, as part of a $297 million contract to recruit, vet and hire 7,500 border officers over five years, but the company has produced only 33 new hires so far.

The president's promised hiring surge steadily lost ground even as he publicly hammered away at the need for stiffer border security, warned of a looming migrant "invasion" and shut down parts of the government for five weeks over his demands for $5.7 billion from Congress for a border wall.

The Border Patrol gained a total of 120 agents in 2018, the first net gain in five years."

Trump's border hiring surge has fallen far short

We get 400,000 illegals / year, so we obviously need more of something. Without a wall, that means we need to get more agents. All you're saying is that you're content to allow 400,000 illegals into the country every year. That's what makes you a douchebag and a traitor.

You are a douchebag and unmitigated trash. Disagreeing with you does not make one a traitor. You are the traitor as you refuse to accept different opinions.

 

[Flopper]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

What a dumbass! You think those agents work 24/7/365?

Of course not. If you allow for 3 shifts it's 6 agents per mile per shift. Round the figure down for sick time and you're down to 5 agents per mile per shift. That's an agent every thousand feet.

No one has pointed why we need that number of agents. When most people think of the border and the patrolling of the border they think of a border fence with a road running beside it. However, in most cases that road is many miles from the border, as much as 50 miles. So when migrants cross the border, they may go in many different directions making apprehension very difficult if not impossible.

The solution is really very simple. Build a paved road as near the border as possible so agents can be at a point of intrusion in minutes, not hours. Second, use technology to monitor the border and track intruders. We would probably need a lot less agents and apprehend a lot more people. Also, we would save the lives of lot of people that get lost out the desert.

You are a dumbass! You have never bothered to even look at the border. That is why your comments and your math are so stupid!

Get a map and LOOK at it!

I have and apparently you haven't or you would see the problem with not having a paved access road near the border.

Either toward the end of the Trump campaign or just after he was elected they published a vision of the Trump wall. It had a paved access road running between the wall and a security fence. Of course in the latest rendition of the big beautiful wall, it's a barrier sitting out in the desert with no security fence and no road which guarantees it will be worthless in stopping migrants. But what the hell, it will make a nice display or slide show at Trump rallies which is exactly what this is all about.

Why on God's green earth would be the purpose of putting a road next to the border on a fucking map?

You are such a dumbass!

You see that little strip of border west of Yuma? I have been there and have seen the road along the border with my own eyes. Where is it on your stupid map?

I work on a military base. Guess what? The roads on the base do not appear on maps available for the general public. Why? They aren't allowed on the fucking road! Just like no one needs to know where the roads are along the border because they aren't allowed on those fucking roads!

I swear you have the intellect of a middle school student at best! Start learning some critical thinking skills or sue your school district for letting a dumbass loose on the public!

I've seen what you call roads. They are a patchwork of dirt roads and open desert that you would be lucky to make 10mph in a 4x4. Most of those roads do not run right beside the border. They are often miles from the actually border and in some case don't even exist. In fact, the roads are so lousy in many places, the border patrol uses ATVs.

What is needed is roads that run right beside the border barrier, not a half mile or 5 miles away. They also need to be good enough that agents can be at any point of intrusion in minutes, not hours.

 

[miketx]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

I know right? They all work 24 hours a day 7 days a week with no sick leave time off and no supervisors and no sleep!

That's still 4000 people for two thousand miles of border per shift.

I'm sorry but you are an idiot.

 

[Siete]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

well clearly the amount we are using isn't enough, and once the wall is built, those numbers can be cut back.

clearly -

since border crossings are at 40 year LOWS

 

[g5000]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

You did not take into account 8-hour shifts, or the fact our border patrol covers a lot more square mileage than just the border. They cover about 100 miles deep.

Redo your math.

 

[miketx]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

well clearly the amount we are using isn't enough, and once the wall is built, those numbers can be cut back.

clearly -

since border crossings are at 40 year LOWS

Thanks to Trump they may be but it is not enough.