Why is being Anti Bush considerd Being Anti American ?

[TheFunkster]

Can someone please explain that to me. ? So were all the anti Clintons anti American ? The Anti Regans ?

 

[jeffperkinstech]

Don't suffer a the delusions of a few of what America means to you. As long as you labor under your own ideal of what is right and wrong for our country as a whole you can never truely be un-American.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by TheFunkster
Can someone please explain that to me. ? So were all the anti Clintons anti American ? The Anti Regans ?

Nobody can explain it to you. You refuse to see truth, fact, or data. (shrug). Your (weak)mind is made up. You are simply trying to illicit a cyber-fight.

Go away.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by TheFunkster
Can someone please explain that to me. ? So were all the anti Clintons anti American ? The Anti Regans ?

If you can show me on this board where someone has said if you're anti-bush then you're anti-american I'll explain something to you.

 

[jon_forward]

back for more punishment funk55,also known as funk56 also known as funkster. You might try to back up what you attempt to claim as truth. Good Luck

 

[NewGuy]

As long as you labor under your own ideal of what is right and wrong for our country as a whole you can never truely be un-American.

Actually, that is incorrect.

Anything unconstitutional is unAmerican, regardless of your view of right and wrong.

 

[NewGuy]

-As a followup, if socialism is unAmerican, and you are promoting it, well, simple logic.

 

[krisy]

Originally posted by TheFunkster
Can someone please explain that to me. ? So were all the anti Clintons anti American ? The Anti Regans ?

I don't know where you get this. It's something else I guess the media has created. I know of no Republicans that think this way. Although I will say this,dragging the President through the streets,burning,may be a little un American IMO.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

-As a followup, if socialism is unAmerican, and you are promoting it, well, simple logic.

Great...and on a personal note I am SO DISSAPOINTED in you! I loved that Atomic Hawk site you turned me onto and have really enjoyed your posts, til now. You are the majority mindset of America that will chain us to all the old way no matter what the progress of knowledge or society has brought us to or where it will bring US to next. You cuddle with your lables like a 2 year old with a blanket. If you would only free yourself from strict adhearance to one polictial philisophical viewpoint or another and allow all viewpoints to have equal due in your mind. You should see that there is no best viewpoint and that all have thier pros and cons in an unbalenced fashion. However, we should be intelligent enough as a people to be able to 'PICK AND CHOOSE' from pieces of all the major ideologies to formulate a truely 'more perfect union'.

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
You should see that there is no best viewpoint and that all have thier pros and cons in an unbalenced fashion. However, we should be intelligent enough as a people to be able to 'PICK AND CHOOSE' from pieces of all the major ideologies to formulate a truely 'more perfect union'.

(sigh)...You know nothing of Leadership. and your grammar is weird too.

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
Great...and on a personal note I am SO DISSAPOINTED in you! I loved that Atomic Hawk site you turned me onto and have really enjoyed your posts, til now. You are the majority mindset of America that will chain us to all the old way no matter what the progress of knowledge or society has brought us to or where it will bring US to next. You cuddle with your lables like a 2 year old with a blanket. If you would only free yourself from strict adhearance to one polictial philisophical viewpoint or another and allow all viewpoints to have equal due in your mind. You should see that there is no best viewpoint and that all have thier pros and cons in an unbalenced fashion. However, we should be intelligent enough as a people to be able to 'PICK AND CHOOSE' from pieces of all the major ideologies to formulate a truely 'more perfect union'.

Blah blah blah.... so what mix-and-match of political philosophies do you subscribe to, if we may ask?

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
Great...and on a personal note I am SO DISSAPOINTED in you! I loved that Atomic Hawk site you turned me onto and have really enjoyed your posts, til now.

So, somehow information you found informative has been overridden by my perspective and opinion from this one post.

Spoken like a touchy-feely socialist.

You are the majority mindset of America that will chain us to all the old way no matter what the progress of knowledge or society has brought us to or where it will bring US to next.

Gee, I havent found one person on this board or anyplace in the WORLD for that matter in person or otherwise that completely agrees with me. Somehow your perspective is REALLY off. Enlighten me with YOUR "knowledge". Oh, by the way.....Do you watch TV?

You cuddle with your lables like a 2 year old with a blanket.

Care to illustrate how?

If you would only free yourself from strict adhearance to one polictial philisophical viewpoint or another and allow all viewpoints to have equal due in your mind. You should see that there is no best viewpoint and that all have thier pros and cons in an unbalenced fashion.

Idiotic thinking. There is right, and there is wrong. Most 5 year olds learn this. Just because you didn't doesn't mean you should shovel your crap onto MY plate.

However, we should be intelligent enough as a people to be able to 'PICK AND CHOOSE' from pieces of all the major ideologies to formulate a truely 'more perfect union'.

Moral relativism has no place in my life and has no business in any society. Your truckload of horsecrap has no place in logical thinking. Pedal this junk as you wish, but if you want an intelligent discussion, bring facts to the table.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Spoken like a touchy-feely socialist.

hey, damn it. I wanted to be the touchy feely socialist:

Moral relativism

its all relative anyway

 

[jeffperkinstech]

(sigh)...You know nothing of Leadership. and your grammar is weird too.

First off, about leadership, real examples of leadership have come from men that have done nothing like was had been done before. Your insinuation that I could not be a good leader because I do not subscribe to conformists viewpoints, when, in reality the opposite is true. Conformist leadership? That is what we have now, submitted, in large part, by manufactured men. I don't think any of you would be participating in these boards if this kind of leadership appeased you. Republican and Democratic alike.

And secondly, yes my grammer is wierd but she's old and senile so give her a break, wouldja?

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
First off, about leadership, real examples of leadership have come from men that have done nothing like was had been done before. Your insinuation that I could not be a good leader because I do not subscribe to conformists viewpoints, when, in reality the opposite is true. Conformist leadership? That is what we have now, submitted, in large part, by manufactured men. I don't think any of you would be participating in these boards if this kind of leadership appeased you. Republican and Democratic alike.

And secondly, yes my grammer is wierd but she's old and senile so give her a break, wouldja?

I said you do not know anything about leadership. I didn't discuss anything about your viewpoints. That is a different topic. From what you said, I can tell you'd be a horrible leader. Doesn't mean you can't learn, son.

*Grammar.

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
hey, damn it. I wanted to be the touchy feely socialist:

:

 

[jeffperkinstech]

OK NewGuy, you just proved yourself to be a knuckle-draggin', dirt farmin', banjo-strokin', cousin pokin' slack-jawed yokel.

You sit there and say that my assesment of you, as a narrow minded 'labler' was WAY off, then proceed to just throw more lables at me. In fact you threw more lables at me than you did my ideas. So your getting your dues baby boy. Go head and cry in your Cheerio's because I believe that it will be an enivitable chain of events that will cast you and your contemporaries aside like the Dinosaurs you are.

Your thinking is outdated. Your way of life is gone. And unless you like living in a Unilaterial Totalitarian Olegarthy like this nation has become (screw the old, we are a Constitutional Republic line, we aren't even THAT anymore), then snap your head up and pay attention.

Our government screwed US buddy. BOTH sides. Get it yet? We could try and go back to what we were...but why should that be enough now? No matter what we are talking about, to even get back to adhearance to our original Constitutional values would take a coup or revolution. So why not take the time to go one better? At the time our Constitution was the best framework for a plan of government ever devised. But that time was over 200 YEARS AGO!!!! Things change. Sorry but your wishes and whinings won't ever change that. So if we are going to go, why not go all out? If we went RIGHT BACK to our old Constitution then, envaribly, we will be RIGHT BACK to the way things are today again, only it will happen faster and probably be worse. You can't go back home. For anyone that has ever moved from where they were born and raised then you know this lession quite well.

As for your precious little sensitivity to Socialism (OH MY GOD! I SAID THE BIG BAD WORD THAT FRIGHTENS YOU LIKE A CHILD!), get over your redneck misperceptions. And, moreover, I do not subscribe that we adopt and entirely Socialist way of life. That would be in contradiction with EVERYTHING I HAVE BEEN PREACHING, wouldn't it? When it comes to a system of healthcare. HELL YEAH! I want the Socialist way! And if you actually knew anything about our current healthcare system and were of good conscience, you would too.

When it comes to Foreign Policy? HELL NO! I wouldn't want the Socialist way. We are too involved in nation-building and police-keeping now as it is. I would be of the mind set that, individuals in our nations army that wanted to participate in any other world conflict on any side they so choose could do so, as long as they know they forefit, for the time being, the protections afforded by thier US civilianship. As for our nations army as a whole? We would not get involved in other peoples affairs anymore. Not even at the request of the UN. Sorry. But you attack US and make US rise to make war with you? There will be none of this nation-building and handing back the country to a stronger, possible, future opposition. We will TAKE you. That country will be OURS.

NOW TELL ME I'M WEAK MINDED BUDDY. Bet you ain't got the balls to back to the world this decry do you?

Now slitter back to be mudhole you came from, spineless wonder. You REALLY pissed me off.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

AND FOR THE LAST TIME EVERYBODY, I AM NOT AN ENGLISH MAJOR, NOR HAVE I EVER CLAIMED TO BE! That means you will see bad grammar and mispelled words a plenty...but if you know enough to correct me THEN YOU OBVIOUSLY KNEW WHAT I WAS WRITING SO SHUT UP!

Jeeze....

 

[NewGuy]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
OK NewGuy, you just proved yourself to be a knuckle-draggin', dirt farmin', banjo-strokin', cousin pokin' slack-jawed yokel.

:cof:

You sit there and say that my assesment of you, as a narrow minded 'labler' was WAY off, then proceed to just throw more lables at me. In fact you threw more lables at me than you did my ideas. So your getting your dues baby boy. Go head and cry in your Cheerio's because I believe that it will be an enivitable chain of events that will cast you and your contemporaries aside like the Dinosaurs you are.

While you are on a roll, I would like to see who you think my "contemporaries" are.

Your thinking is outdated. Your way of life is gone.

Exactly right.

And unless you like living in a Unilaterial Totalitarian Olegarthy like this nation has become (screw the old, we are a Constitutional Republic line,

I would LOVE to see you justify that one. This nation has never been more morally bankrupt nor socialist in its policies and behaviors than today. What are you, 13?

we aren't even THAT anymore), then snap your head up and pay attention.

I am trying. You are putting me to sleep.

Our government screwed US buddy. BOTH sides. Get it yet? We could try and go back to what we were...but why should that be enough now? No matter what we are talking about, to even get back to adhearance to our original Constitutional values would take a coup or revolution.

If you were half as informed as you claim, you would have read some of that valuable information from the site you claim to have looked at. Considering half of 3000+ posts are mine, and most of the information is showing exactly what you mention HERE, yet you oppose me, you are REALLY stupid.

So why not take the time to go one better? At the time our Constitution was the best framework for a plan of government ever devised. But that time was over 200 YEARS AGO!!!! Things change. Sorry but your wishes and whinings won't ever change that.

Exactly. Speaking of whining, what are YOU doing. I walk the walk, not just talk the talk. If you want to barf rhetoric with no physical substance, go jerk yourself in the corner of a round room with someone else. I promote change and CAUSE change. I own and run businesses to do so. I give away every piece of my personal property to others FREELY to cause change, I educate and I help others to do all of the above to become successful themselves. What do YOU do?

So if we are going to go, why not go all out? If we went RIGHT BACK to our old Constitution then, envaribly, we will be RIGHT BACK to the way things are today again, only it will happen faster and probably be worse. You can't go back home. For anyone that has ever moved from where they were born and raised then you know this lession quite well.

Riggghhht. You are for gun control, too I bet.

As for your precious little sensitivity to Socialism (OH MY GOD! I SAID THE BIG BAD WORD THAT FRIGHTENS YOU LIKE A CHILD!), get over your redneck misperceptions.

Have you read the Communist Manifesto?

And, moreover, I do not subscribe that we adopt and entirely Socialist way of life. That would be in contradiction with EVERYTHING I HAVE BEEN PREACHING, wouldn't it? When it comes to a system of healthcare. HELL YEAH! I want the Socialist way! And if you actually knew anything about our current healthcare system and were of good conscience, you would too.

If you knew anything about anatomy, herbal remidies, chemistry, the pharmaceutical companies, medicine, doctor training, economics, socialism, or anything else for that matter you wouldn't even say that. You bellyache for help while I need none. I don't NEED a medical system. How do you like THAT one? I have a WAY AROUND IT. You are a freakin leech.

When it comes to Foreign Policy? HELL NO! I wouldn't want the Socialist way. We are too involved in nation-building and police-keeping now as it is. I would be of the mind set that, individuals in our nations army that wanted to participate in any other world conflict on any side they so choose could do so, as long as they know they forefit, for the time being, the protections afforded by thier US civilianship. As for our nations army as a whole? We would not get involved in other peoples affairs anymore. Not even at the request of the UN. Sorry. But you attack US and make US rise to make war with you? There will be none of this nation-building and handing back the country to a stronger, possible, future opposition. We will TAKE you. That country will be OURS.

Sounds semi-reasonable.

NOW TELL ME I'M WEAK MINDED BUDDY. Bet you ain't got the balls to back to the world this decry do you?

You are weak minded, buddy.

Now slitter back to be mudhole you came from, spineless wonder. You REALLY pissed me off.

I didn't come from a mudhole. -And I don't really care how you feel.

Do you want to play childish immature comparison games?

I am up to that, after all, I have yet to hear you even say anything smart, lets really get down to brass tacks. Show me your cranial grey matter. Lets compare pans. Lets REALLY find out if you are capable of intelligible speech.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

OOOHHHHHH....your SO on buddy! I will debate EVERYTHING with you point by point. And when I am done, I KNOW you will understand where I am comming from and I KNOW you have NOT thought of these things that I have thought of. You have no idea the amount of time within YEARS that I have spent thinking about all of these things. Why do I care? Don't really know I just do. And I actually REALLY care. I want people to live lives that will satisfy most of thier own cravings while contributing to the welfare of the rest of the populace. I want a country that does not make legal issues of personal morality because it goes to steal the very salvation of people by unsurping thier God given free agentcy. I want a governement that will protect individuals from others that break morality to the degree that unsurps anothers rights, without making new laws that everyone must follow. There is so much more to my plan of Government ONE that I can't put down to you right now. Because I am leaving here soon, but will be back later tonight...if your on and interested.

And as a peace offering I would like to say I am sorry for my personal attacks on you, and, if your sincear about true issue driven debates, I will not attack you as a person again. Unless, of course your really just another Social Anarchist...then you can
DOUBBLE EVERYTHING I SAID!!!