Why I think That Trump Will Win the General Election

JimBowie1958

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There are solid reasons for believing that Trump *Can* win, but I think he *will* win, and here is why.

1. Trump has more healthy energy than Hillary Clinton does. Trump is out having a couple of rallies in a single day and having multiple interviews while Hillary has not had even one full blown news conference in almost a year. This difference in energy is huge for a campaign and as Trump settles down to the reality that the Media would like to put his head on a pike in the Washington Mall, he is learning to more more reticent. This bodes well for any candidate three months from Election Day.

2. The polls are 'tweaked to favor Hillary by a media that is totally committed to seeing her win. Here is one example:
Hillary Lead Over Trump Surges After Reuters "Tweaks" Poll | Zero Hedge
Over the past week, there was a troubling development for the establishment: Trump was soaring in the polls. In fact, in the widely watched, Reuters/IPSOS poll, for the first time Trump had taken an inexcusable 1 point lead following the Republican National convention.
So, as we reported last night, something had to be done. And something was done: Reuters "tweaked" its polling methodology.
As Reuters explained, "in a presidential campaign notable for its negativity, the option of “Neither” candidate appears to be an appealing alternative, at least to participants in the Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll. Many voters on both sides have been ambivalent in their support for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican nominee Donald Trump, complicating the task of the pollsters trying to track the race. That sentiment may help explain an apparent skew that recently emerged in the Reuters/Ipsos poll results. Given the choice, a relatively large group of voters opted for “Neither/Other” candidate compared with other major polls, leading to an underreporting of several percentage points for one or other of the two major contenders at times in the race."

As a result, Reuters/Ipsos is amending the wording of the choice and eliminating the word “Neither,” bringing the option in line with other polls.
Here is the real reason for the methodology change: according to Reuters "the inclusion of the word “Neither” is capturing Soft Trump supporters who, if given such an option, prefer not to make a choice. Here it is important to note that the soft supporter phenomenon also affects Clinton, but to a much lesser degree."
As a result, the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll - pre Friday evening - had Trump 40.2%, Clinton 38.5%, but, on a "pro forma" basis,eliminating "Neither" from the "Neither/Other" answer produced a different result. In that case, Clinton was ahead, 40% to 36%.

In other words, the real reason for the "tweak" was to push Hillary back in the lead simply due to a change in the question phrasing methodology.
With the first new poll under the new polling "approach" due to be released last night, we predicted that it would show a dramatic rebound for Hillary, just as Trump was picking up steam, and in doing so changing the entire frontrunner narrative from the ground up.
Sure enough, here are the results of the "revised" poll released on Friday night.

From Reuters: Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton held a 6- percentage-point lead over Republican rival Donald Trump, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll with new wording that was released on Friday, the day after she formally accepted her party's nomination for the Nov. 8 election.
Nearly 41 percent of likely voters favor Clinton, 35 percent favor Trump, and 25 percent picked "Other," according to the new July 25-29 online poll of 1,043 likely voters, which overlapped with the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. The poll has a credibility interval of 4 percentage points.
The presidential tracking poll reflects a slight change of wording from previous surveys, replacing the “Neither/Other” option given to respondents with just “Other.” An internal review had found the word “Neither” has, at times, siphoned support away from one or the other candidate.

Other tweaks found are A) over representing Democrats in the sample, and B) only using registered voters who voted in the last Presidential election. Both of these are known to diminish Trumps support showing up in the polls.

3) There is a huge difference in enthusiasm for Trump vrs Clinton. Trump attends rallies with thousands and thousands of people, while the press ballyhoos 50 people turning out for Hillary. 50. People.

4) Americans are sick to death of the Professional Political Class, especially the talentless and moronic Talking Heads on TV. The media are completely committed to keeping Trump out of the White House as he leads/represents this unwashed mass of people. This is working in Trumps favor by bringing in new voters who have been sick of this nonsense for decades.

5) Trump is dominating in social media, and though this does not prove Trump will win like this guy does here: SPREAD THIS: Media RIGGING The Polls, Hiding New Evidence Proving Trump Is WINNING it is an interesting contrast where Hillary is not getting half the fervor that Trump is and the Democrats are supposed to be the high tech party, lol.

6) The Corporate Crony Network is solidly backing Hillary, it is obvious, and people HATE the Corporate Crony Network and for good reason too; they are the reason that American wages have been stagnant since 1970.

7) Hillary Clinton is as crooked and dishonest as any politician I have ever read about, worse than LBJ was. People are sick to death of lying, conniving, professional politicians that have done nothing concrete in their whole lives.

Summation; Hillary's numbers will start to tank and she loses to Trump in another shocking landslide like Carter did to Reagan did after months of Reagan being lied about by the Media almost exactly like these shitstains are doing to Trump.
 
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1. Trump has more healthy energy than Hillary Clinton does. Trump is out having a couple of rallies in a single day and having multiple interviews while Hillary has not had even one full blown news conference in almost a year. This difference in energy is huge for a campaign and as Trump settles down to the reality that the Media would like to put his head on a pike in the Washington Mall, he is learning to more more reticent. This bodes well for any candidate three months from Election Day.

The thing is, you are mistaking attendence at rallies for support at the polls. Most people who vote will never attend a rally.

Here's the problem... the "Reality TV Demographic" is exceptionally fickle. Trump is like the guy who eats cockroaches on TV. Might be shocking once, but people will grow tired of it.
 
Jim, this is another replay of 2012, when many threads were explaining how Romney was going to win easily. The arguments then were also essentially subjective, i.e., "the polls are wrong, and people won't vote for Obama because they shouldn't want to, in my opinion".

What voters hate, and that's a large portion of your argument, is baked into the polls already. Online enthusiasm, ditto.

The only facts that matter to any degree between now and the election are the polls in the swing states.
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America will not choose a leader who proposes a ban on members of a religion, the resumption of using torture or the murder of the family members of bad guys.
 
The only reason Trump wins is if the majority realize the obvious fact that Hillary is a corrupt lying warmonger. There is little about Trump that is admirable.
 
Jim, this is another replay of 2012, when many threads were explaining how Romney was going to win easily. The arguments then were also essentially subjective, i.e., "the polls are wrong, and people won't vote for Obama because they shouldn't want to, in my opinion".

What voters hate, and that's a large portion of your argument, is baked into the polls already. Online enthusiasm, ditto.

The only facts that matter to any degree between now and the election are the polls in the swing states.
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The one difference is that Romney wasn't as far back in the polls as Trump is today.
 
The one difference is that Romney wasn't as far back in the polls as Trump is today.

the difference is, Romney was actually a plausible president, magic underpants and all.
The American people got duped into voting for Obama because he was new, unknown, and black. If they vote in a known liar, warmonger, owned by the 1% and well known to Americans, they can't ever be confused with smart informed people. Of course, the Rs nominated idiots in McCain and Romney...and maybe Trump will fall into the category too.
 
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The American people got duped into voting for Obama because he was new, unknown, and black. If they vote in a known liar, warmonger, owned by the 1% and well known to Americans, they can't ever be confused with smart informed people. Of course, the Rs nominated idiots in McCain and Romney...and maybe Trump will fall into the category too.

Uh, guy, I'm taking you off ignore because this was especially silly.

Obama won in 2008 because McCain really couldn't promise anything but "more of the same". Wars and Recessions? Nobody wanted more of that.

He won in 2012 because that weird Mormon Robot you nominated couldn't hid his contempt for most working people.

Now, Hillary was VERY beatable. All you needed to do was run someone with a reasonably clean record who didn't say crazy shit.

And you couldn't even hit that low standard.
 
Jim, this is another replay of 2012, when many threads were explaining how Romney was going to win easily. The arguments then were also essentially subjective, i.e., "the polls are wrong, and people won't vote for Obama because they shouldn't want to, in my opinion".

What voters hate, and that's a large portion of your argument, is baked into the polls already. Online enthusiasm, ditto.

The only facts that matter to any degree between now and the election are the polls in the swing states.
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MAC I remember the bullshit arguments people were making, but how do you simply dismiss the over sampling of Democrats, the 'tweaking' of the polls in point 2, and the reliance on data polling samples known to be skewed against Trump all year so far and that is registered previous voters?

Trump does not equate to Romney. Trump is appealing to a much wider section of the electorate than Romney's 52% and Trump is not going to suddenly stop campaigning like Romney did either. Plus Romney had no appeal to the more populist end of the conservative elitist-to-populism spectrum, again completely unlike Romney.

Other than that Romney is from the same party as Trump, they have little in common.

Or is it that you just think no Republican can ever again win the White House?
 
There simply aren't enough angry old white guys for Trump to be elected.

Sure there are.

Supplemented by a slim portion of the other demographics and taking 48% of white women, Trump wins if he still holds 80% of white men, dude.
 
The one difference is that Romney wasn't as far back in the polls as Trump is today.

Lol, you think the only difference between Romney and Trump is that Trump was further back in the polls? roflmao


BTW, Reagan was further back in the polls at this point then either Romney or Trump.

Landslide, bubba.
 
There are solid reasons for believing that Trump *Can* win, but I think he *will* win, and here is why.

1. Trump has more healthy energy than Hillary Clinton does. Trump is out having a couple of rallies in a single day and having multiple interviews while Hillary has not had even one full blown news conference in almost a year. This difference in energy is huge for a campaign and as Trump settles down to the reality that the Media would like to put his head on a pike in the Washington Mall, he is learning to more more reticent. This bodes well for any candidate three months from Election Day.

2. The polls are 'tweaked to favor Hillary by a media that is totally committed to seeing her win. Here is one example:
Hillary Lead Over Trump Surges After Reuters "Tweaks" Poll | Zero Hedge
Over the past week, there was a troubling development for the establishment: Trump was soaring in the polls. In fact, in the widely watched, Reuters/IPSOS poll, for the first time Trump had taken an inexcusable 1 point lead following the Republican National convention.
So, as we reported last night, something had to be done. And something was done: Reuters "tweaked" its polling methodology.
As Reuters explained, "in a presidential campaign notable for its negativity, the option of “Neither” candidate appears to be an appealing alternative, at least to participants in the Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll. Many voters on both sides have been ambivalent in their support for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and Republican nominee Donald Trump, complicating the task of the pollsters trying to track the race. That sentiment may help explain an apparent skew that recently emerged in the Reuters/Ipsos poll results. Given the choice, a relatively large group of voters opted for “Neither/Other” candidate compared with other major polls, leading to an underreporting of several percentage points for one or other of the two major contenders at times in the race."

As a result, Reuters/Ipsos is amending the wording of the choice and eliminating the word “Neither,” bringing the option in line with other polls.
Here is the real reason for the methodology change: according to Reuters "the inclusion of the word “Neither” is capturing Soft Trump supporters who, if given such an option, prefer not to make a choice. Here it is important to note that the soft supporter phenomenon also affects Clinton, but to a much lesser degree."
As a result, the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll - pre Friday evening - had Trump 40.2%, Clinton 38.5%, but, on a "pro forma" basis,eliminating "Neither" from the "Neither/Other" answer produced a different result. In that case, Clinton was ahead, 40% to 36%.

In other words, the real reason for the "tweak" was to push Hillary back in the lead simply due to a change in the question phrasing methodology.
With the first new poll under the new polling "approach" due to be released last night, we predicted that it would show a dramatic rebound for Hillary, just as Trump was picking up steam, and in doing so changing the entire frontrunner narrative from the ground up.
Sure enough, here are the results of the "revised" poll released on Friday night.

From Reuters: Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton held a 6- percentage-point lead over Republican rival Donald Trump, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll with new wording that was released on Friday, the day after she formally accepted her party's nomination for the Nov. 8 election.
Nearly 41 percent of likely voters favor Clinton, 35 percent favor Trump, and 25 percent picked "Other," according to the new July 25-29 online poll of 1,043 likely voters, which overlapped with the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. The poll has a credibility interval of 4 percentage points.
The presidential tracking poll reflects a slight change of wording from previous surveys, replacing the “Neither/Other” option given to respondents with just “Other.” An internal review had found the word “Neither” has, at times, siphoned support away from one or the other candidate.

Other tweaks found are A) over representing Democrats in the sample, and B) only using registered voters who voted in the last Presidential election. Both of these are known to diminish Trumps support showing up in the polls.

3) There is a huge difference in enthusiasm for Trump vrs Clinton. Trump attends rallies with thousands and thousands of people, while the press ballyhoos 50 people turning out for Hillary. 50. People.

4) Americans are sick to death of the Professional Political Class, especially the talentless and moronic Talking Heads on TV. The media are completely committed to keeping Trump out of the White House as he leads/represents this unwashed mass of people. This is working in Trumps favor by bringing in new voters who have been sick of this nonsense for decades.

5) Trump is dominating in social media, and though this does not prove Trump will win like this guy does here: SPREAD THIS: Media RIGGING The Polls, Hiding New Evidence Proving Trump Is WINNING it is an interesting contrast where Hillary is not getting half the fervor that Trump is and the Democrats are supposed to be the high tech party, lol.

6) The Corporate Crony Network is solidly backing Hillary, it is obvious, and people HATE the Corporate Crony Network and for good reason too; they are the reason that American wages have been stagnant since 1970.

7) Hillary Clinton is as crooked and dishonest as any politician I have ever read about, worse than LBJ was. People are sick to death of lying, conniving, professional politicians that have done nothing concrete in their whole lives.

Summation; Hillary's numbers will start to tank and she loses to Trump in another shocking landslide like Carter did to Reagan did after months of Reagan being lied about by the Media almost exactly like these shitstains are doing to Trump.
...and she's a loopy kunt
 
The one difference is that Romney wasn't as far back in the polls as Trump is today.

the difference is, Romney was actually a plausible president, magic underpants and all.
The American people got duped into voting for Obama because he was new, unknown, and black. If they vote in a known liar, warmonger, owned by the 1% and well known to Americans, they can't ever be confused with smart informed people. Of course, the Rs nominated idiots in McCain and Romney...and maybe Trump will fall into the category too.
Trump is a successful builder with skyscrapers in about eight major cities to include New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles. He is a successful author, and TV star - quite a diverse list of accomplishments that 99.9999% of the public will never replicate. He entered the Presidential primaries against 16 seasoned pros, but himself being a complete amateur on his first election campaign and he WON, against all odds he too the GOP nomination, and he did it with the hostile opposition of the GOP Establishment.

He has done all that and people like you still think he may be an idiot?

roflmao
 
Jim, this is another replay of 2012, when many threads were explaining how Romney was going to win easily. The arguments then were also essentially subjective, i.e., "the polls are wrong, and people won't vote for Obama because they shouldn't want to, in my opinion".

What voters hate, and that's a large portion of your argument, is baked into the polls already. Online enthusiasm, ditto.

The only facts that matter to any degree between now and the election are the polls in the swing states.
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Sure but the opponent was 0bama. Hillary is unlikable, corrupt, and bad TV.
 
Jim, this is another replay of 2012, when many threads were explaining how Romney was going to win easily. The arguments then were also essentially subjective, i.e., "the polls are wrong, and people won't vote for Obama because they shouldn't want to, in my opinion".

What voters hate, and that's a large portion of your argument, is baked into the polls already. Online enthusiasm, ditto.

The only facts that matter to any degree between now and the election are the polls in the swing states.
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MAC I remember the bullshit arguments people were making, but how do you simply dismiss the over sampling of Democrats, the 'tweaking' of the polls in point 2, and the reliance on data polling samples known to be skewed against Trump all year so far and that is registered previous voters?

Trump does not equate to Romney. Trump is appealing to a much wider section of the electorate than Romney's 52% and Trump is not going to suddenly stop campaigning like Romney did either. Plus Romney had no appeal to the more populist end of the conservative elitist-to-populism spectrum, again completely unlike Romney.

Other than that Romney is from the same party as Trump, they have little in common.

Or is it that you just think no Republican can ever again win the White House?
There was all kinds of poll parsing back in 2012, and much of it seemed relatively reasonable & plausible. Then, once the ballots were counted, it turned out that professional pollsters had a better grasp of their profession than Republicans did. Is it different this time? It could be, I guess, but 2012 left a pretty indelible mark on my memory, and I'd need to see it to believe it.

I think that Republicans could easily beaten Hillary by running Kasich/Rubio. The Dems are running the most vulnerable candidate they could have come up with, and the GOP has brilliantly responded by shooting themselves in the foot while jumping over a cliff.

A sane, moderate Republican administration might have convinced America that the GOP had the answers, and the pendulum may have begun to swing back. Instead, 40% of the party allowed themselves to be convinced that such a ticket isn't pure enough and blew the party's golden opportunity.
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