Why does the left think the government can create jobs?

The older I get the more convinced I am that liberal viewpoints stem from the ignorance and false understanding of where the money comes from to pay for all the nice programs that they want.

Liberalism is a big problem in this country, half of the people with liberal mindset thinks the government has unlimited funds, its this mentality that has caused our debt.

Well im here to tell the libbs that government doesnt have unlimited funds, and who pays for those programs is the middle class, along with everything else. And we are sick and tired of forking over our lives so you can be a bunch of lazy do nothings with your hands out.

It is the same with a corporation. The left thinks corporations have a money tree that is just for paying taxes, they have no reality we pay there taxes
If corporate tax is 20%, then instead of paying 1.00 for 1 widget, your going to pay 1.20 for that widget
This is why the price of gas in Georgia is 3.00 a gallon and it is 3.70 on the west coast, taxes
 
The government can create jobs, but many are short lived. The "shovel ready" projects are done and so is the worker unless the government pays up again to find another project.

What are bonds for? Let the citizens invest in their cities and everyone wins, but when the government is in the shape it is today, no one has the confidence to invest in anything with their own money.

We need to build confidence in this country and we can't with this administration.They have to stop spending and let capitalism work as it has in the past.
 
Because they have the false premise that the government is the solution to all our problems.
 
Now he wont answer because he has been tagged by the real truth.

Road repair workers.

Waste management workers

The list just goes on and on
 
When the US Govt takes 1 trillion dollars of our wealth to "create a job" as Obama did, then all they have done is take 1 trillion dollars (really about 800 billion) of our wealth and re distributed it
It is wealth destruction is all it is

the private sector with the right conditions can create real jobs. How many jobs would that same 800 billion create in the private sector If the those who really pay taxes were allowed to keep that wealth?
What we purchase with that wealth would create work and we would get too keep the end product, instead of it becoming part of Obama's re-election campaign fund
That is real trickle down economics made simple. Allow the tax payer to keep more of his wealth, show him you can be trusted and watch him use it to grow the economy

How would you propose to fix our roads and bridges if not from using taxpayer money to fund the projects?

AND, question 2,

does funding infrastructure improvement not only CREATE JOBS, but does it not also ADD VALUE to the economy?

We pay 18.4 cents in Federal taxes on every gallon of gas sold in the United States that is supposed to go towards fixing roads and bridges in addition to State taxes that are usually a little more than the Federal tax that are collected for the same thing. Unfortunately our "leaders" have siphoned off that money to use for other things instead of fixing infrastructure. If you'd actually like to fix roads and bridges the first step would be using that money for it's intended purpose.
 
Someone should go tell all the troops fighting in Afghanistan that they don't have a real job.

Tell firefighters and police who put their ass on the line that they aren't "really" working.

Tell the people who teach your kids to go and get a real job.
 
When the US Govt takes 1 trillion dollars of our wealth to "create a job" as Obama did, then all they have done is take 1 trillion dollars (really about 800 billion) of our wealth and re distributed it
It is wealth destruction is all it is

the private sector with the right conditions can create real jobs. How many jobs would that same 800 billion create in the private sector If the those who really pay taxes were allowed to keep that wealth?
What we purchase with that wealth would create work and we would get too keep the end product, instead of it becoming part of Obama's re-election campaign fund
That is real trickle down economics made simple. Allow the tax payer to keep more of his wealth, show him you can be trusted and watch him use it to grow the economy

Why did the GOP?

The politicians used to care about unemployment. At least, they gave it lip service in their speeches. But they don’t even do that any more. Before Republicans took control of the House in January, Republican leader John Boehner taunted the Democrats every day with his challenge: “Where are the jobs, Mr. President?” But since the Republicans began to share responsibility for the government, he’s dropped any pretense that he’s worried about jobs.

Where are the jobs, Mr. President, Mr. Speaker? - Rex Nutting - MarketWatch

How is that whole GOP idea of extending the Bush tax cuts to the rich, I mean "job creators" working out, by the way?

What I find most amusing about liberals making this charge is how they can use the term "jobs saved" in relation to the Obama Stimulus and say that if we hadn't spent that trillion plus dollars things would be much worse, counting that as a positive for the Obama stimulus program...but then they'll turn around and question whether the Bush tax cuts created any jobs. Sorry, Kiddies...you can't have your cake and eat it too!

My question to you isn't how many jobs did extending the Bush tax cuts create...but how many jobs did it save? Because one only has to look at the reasons behind the Bush tax cuts being extended by a Democratic majority to quickly come to the realization that THE DEMOCRATS recognized that doing away with those tax cuts would further damage the economy and cost jobs. That's the reason they voted to extend them...the Bush tax cuts did indeed create jobs and losing them would have cost jobs. Duh?
 
Now he wont answer because he has been tagged by the real truth.

Road repair workers.

Waste management workers

The list just goes on and on

Some of those jobs, such as waste management could be carried out by private enterprises which would result inlowering costs, hiring more people and raising the tax base. Competing waste management would hire three times the number of individuals and give the consumer more services if employed by private firms.
 


Of course that happened over night. RR had nothing to do with that, neither did the .com bubble
You got 40 million jobs staring you right in the face in the private sector form 1980 and your trying to convince people that a small tax increase in the 90s is the reason why?


You have that right

It was the small tax increase, coupled with infrastructure rebuilding (roads and bridges), coupled with investment in new technology (internet), coupled with a smart opening up of new emerging markets (NAFTA), coupled with money given to states to train workers for the new high tech jobs. That's why Clinton was a success. Ronald Reagan's economy needed bailout after bailout.

Seems that went down the memory hole.


Wrong. You're mining in a thin seam of pyrite. NAFTA is one of the major problems signed into law by Clinton and Repubs. There was no surplus....just shell games. We were 5 trillion in the hole in trade. Now, we're 15T in the hole.
 
When the US Govt takes 1 trillion dollars of our wealth to "create a job" as Obama did, then all they have done is take 1 trillion dollars (really about 800 billion) of our wealth and re distributed it
It is wealth destruction is all it is

the private sector with the right conditions can create real jobs. How many jobs would that same 800 billion create in the private sector If the those who really pay taxes were allowed to keep that wealth?
What we purchase with that wealth would create work and we would get too keep the end product, instead of it becoming part of Obama's re-election campaign fund
That is real trickle down economics made simple. Allow the tax payer to keep more of his wealth, show him you can be trusted and watch him use it to grow the economy

"Trickle Down Economics" is just Keynsian Demand-Stimulus economics for Corporatists--there is really no functional economic difference between "trickling down" between one source of the "trickle" or another: demand always necessarily exists (the same cannot be said for supply, however), and abuse of Demand-Stimulus just saturates the demand side of a market that has insufficient supply to meet such an artificially robust demand--the inevitable result is serially perverse boom cycles.

None of this, of course, is news.

"bubbles" are a creation of greed. When we had the repel of Glass-Steagall, throw-in 0% from the fed after 9-11 and add a dose of bad loans, you create the environment for greed (bubble)
Trickle down works. The reason people are not spending there money now is the same reason I am not. The leadership running this country has no understanding of what it is there suppose to be doing
 
Someone should go tell all the troops fighting in Afghanistan that they don't have a real job.

Tell firefighters and police who put their ass on the line that they aren't "really" working.

Tell the people who teach your kids to go and get a real job.

It isn't that firefighters, teachers and police don't do a real job, it's that that job has to be paid for by private sector revenues. You don't create long term employment by taking money out of the private sector to keep public sector workers employed because when the money appropriated runs out (and it has), you then have to lay those public sector workers off or go further into debt to retain them (as President Obama is now wanting to do for the second time). What part of this concept don't you progressives "get"?

Once again...the private sector is where REAL long term employment is created not the public sector.
 
Now he wont answer because he has been tagged by the real truth.

Road repair workers.

Waste management workers

The list just goes on and on

Some of those jobs, such as waste management could be carried out by private enterprises which would result inlowering costs, hiring more people and raising the tax base. Competing waste management would hire three times the number of individuals and give the consumer more services if employed by private firms.

Wait a second - you're saying that a private-sector waste management system would both:

A. lower costs and
B. Hire three times the number of people.

Perhaps you should check that premise.
 
Someone should go tell all the troops fighting in Afghanistan that they don't have a real job.

Tell firefighters and police who put their ass on the line that they aren't "really" working.

Tell the people who teach your kids to go and get a real job.

It isn't that firefighters, teachers and police don't do a real job, it's that that job has to be paid for by private sector revenues. You don't create long term employment by taking money out of the private sector to keep public sector workers employed because when the money appropriated runs out (and it has), you then have to lay those public sector workers off or go further into debt to retain them (as President Obama is now wanting to do for the second time). What part of this concept don't you progressives "get"?

Oh, I think I "Get it" just fine thanks.

Ask Apple how many people they would employ if no one protected their intellectual and physical property.

Ya ever wonder why no companies move their headquarters to third world hellholes with no taxes?
 
When the US Govt takes 1 trillion dollars of our wealth to "create a job" as Obama did, then all they have done is take 1 trillion dollars (really about 800 billion) of our wealth and re distributed it
It is wealth destruction is all it is

the private sector with the right conditions can create real jobs. How many jobs would that same 800 billion create in the private sector If the those who really pay taxes were allowed to keep that wealth?
What we purchase with that wealth would create work and we would get too keep the end product, instead of it becoming part of Obama's re-election campaign fund
That is real trickle down economics made simple. Allow the tax payer to keep more of his wealth, show him you can be trusted and watch him use it to grow the economy

Wealth destruction is it. I have a real example of wealth destruction. It occurs when an unregulated financial services industry abuses the trust of the American people and in the blink of an eye makes their savings disappear. My example is not fantasy as is yours, JRK, it happened in October 2008 and many times before.

The form of political rhetoric you use is fully dishonest. If you had the ability to offer a substantive argument to prove your opinions you would not need to lie.
 
Now he wont answer because he has been tagged by the real truth.

Road repair workers.

Waste management workers

The list just goes on and on

Some of those jobs, such as waste management could be carried out by private enterprises which would result inlowering costs, hiring more people and raising the tax base. Competing waste management would hire three times the number of individuals and give the consumer more services if employed by private firms.

Why, exactly, would privatized waste management create more jobs than government waste management?
 
When the US Govt takes 1 trillion dollars of our wealth to "create a job" as Obama did, then all they have done is take 1 trillion dollars (really about 800 billion) of our wealth and re distributed it
It is wealth destruction is all it is

the private sector with the right conditions can create real jobs. How many jobs would that same 800 billion create in the private sector If the those who really pay taxes were allowed to keep that wealth?
What we purchase with that wealth would create work and we would get too keep the end product, instead of it becoming part of Obama's re-election campaign fund
That is real trickle down economics made simple. Allow the tax payer to keep more of his wealth, show him you can be trusted and watch him use it to grow the economy

Wealth destruction is it. I have a real example of wealth destruction. It occurs when an unregulated financial services industry abuses the trust of the American people and in the blink of an eye makes their savings disappear. My example is not fantasy as is yours, JRK, it happened in October 2008 and many times before.

The form of political rhetoric you use is fully dishonest. If you had the ability to offer a substantive argument to prove your opinions you would not need to lie.

Boy you libs have all joined in on this character assassination
Liar
Now what exactly have I lied about?

Now watch this no response from a child sitting behind a key board calling a grown man a liar
 
Someone should go tell all the troops fighting in Afghanistan that they don't have a real job.

Tell firefighters and police who put their ass on the line that they aren't "really" working.

Tell the people who teach your kids to go and get a real job.

It isn't that firefighters, teachers and police don't do a real job, it's that that job has to be paid for by private sector revenues. You don't create long term employment by taking money out of the private sector to keep public sector workers employed because when the money appropriated runs out (and it has), you then have to lay those public sector workers off or go further into debt to retain them (as President Obama is now wanting to do for the second time). What part of this concept don't you progressives "get"?

Oh, I think I "Get it" just fine thanks.

Ask Apple how many people they would employ if no one protected their intellectual and physical property.

Ya ever wonder why no companies move their headquarters to third world hellholes with no taxes?

It's the "job" of the government to protect the citizens of the United States...that in no way changes the economic reality that spending billions of dollars to keep public sector workers employed doesn't create long term job growth. I don't think you do "Get it".
 
The older I get the more convinced I am that liberal viewpoints stem from the ignorance and false understanding of where the money comes from to pay for all the nice programs that they want.

Liberalism is a big problem in this country, half of the people with liberal mindset thinks the government has unlimited funds, its this mentality that has caused our debt.

Well im here to tell the libbs that government doesnt have unlimited funds, and who pays for those programs is the middle class, along with everything else. And we are sick and tired of forking over our lives so you can be a bunch of lazy do nothings with your hands out.

It is the same with a corporation. The left thinks corporations have a money tree that is just for paying taxes, they have no reality we pay there taxes
If corporate tax is 20%, then instead of paying 1.00 for 1 widget, your going to pay 1.20 for that widget
This is why the price of gas in Georgia is 3.00 a gallon and it is 3.70 on the west coast, taxes

Ok, so if corporations were to pay NO tax, who do you want to pay that tax in order to maintain the same amount of revenue?
 
Someone should go tell all the troops fighting in Afghanistan that they don't have a real job.

Tell firefighters and police who put their ass on the line that they aren't "really" working.

Tell the people who teach your kids to go and get a real job.

It isn't that firefighters, teachers and police don't do a real job, it's that that job has to be paid for by private sector revenues. .

But if the fire department were a private company, the money would still have to come from the private sector.
 

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