Why didn't Obama replenish the N95 mask national supply that was depleted after the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 ?

[Bobob]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

Tell you what, you answer this and I'll answer your question, otherwise you sorry brain dead simp, shut the fuck up.
Trump Says ‘Nobody’ Knew Pandemic Was Coming. His Adviser Warned Of It In January.
Peter Navarro, Trump’s trade adviser, reportedly penned two memos — in January and then February — warning of potential catastrophe because of COVID-19.

Nobody knew about it, not Dems, Trumpers, nobody or it would have been exposed. Like now with Trump

 

[tigerred59]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

Trump denied that there was a problem and blamed the Dems for a "hoax". It is his fault for not turning it over to the medical and science communities. Instead, he installed 2 inexperienced hacks to head up the response. Amateur night in Dixie.

Trump will indeed take the fault in all this and no amount of spin is gonna change the facts..the man blew it and is still trying to distance himself from this mess and its not going to work

 

[Kilroy2]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Dr. Fauci told Newsmax’s Greg Kelly on January 21.

yes he said that at a time when there were no cases in the US.

Yes Trump restricted travel in Jan and it was not a ban. He suspended foreigners who had been in China in the last 14 days from entering the country but that did not stop American who had visited China from coming back into the US. There were still active flights to and from China.

The first death reported outside of China was in Feb 2.

Trump statements

• “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.” — February 10, 2020.
• “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — February 26, 2020.
• “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” — February 28, 2020.
• “This is their new hoax.” — February 28, 2020

IN late Feb he was calling it a hoax, I guess he gave up on his favorite line fake news.

• “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — March 9, 2020.
• “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” — March 15, 2020.

Trump was brushing it aside up until Mar 15th

and then his tune changed - I have always now that this panademic was a real threat

That is the problem with Trump in a nutshell

Fauci started to mention Panademic in Feb 17 whereas Trump was still under the impression that it was a hoax.

The timeline is there and it does not lie

Saying that Fauci made a statement in Jan at the beginning as being meaningful is looking for a scapegoat or someone to blame other than Trump. As far as I know Fauci never called this a hoax.

 

[Kilroy2]

Obama set up a Pandemic Response Team to take care of it. However, Trump FIRED them in 2018.

good point

The White House dismantled the National Security Council’s global health security office. When asked his response was “I just think it's a nasty question,” the president responded. “And when you say ‘me,' I didn't do it. ... I don't know anything about it.”

I guess they made a decision without consulting him or he forgot or they were just getting rid of people who were demos

 

[RealDave]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

Fuck off, Hew was downplaying the Virus well in to March.

By the time he banned some travel out of China, the Airlines had already drastically cut their number of flights.

Trump was down playing the virus well into March.

Trump: "Low Risk. It will disappear, we have 15 cases soon to be. zero!!!!"

When Democrats pushed for more action. Trump called their concern a HOAX>

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Trump has been lousy in han

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

Trump denied that there was a problem and blamed the Dems for a "hoax". It is his fault for not turning it over to the medical and science communities. Instead, he installed 2 inexperienced hacks to head up the response. Amateur night in Dixie.

Trump will indeed take the fault in all this and no amount of spin is gonna change the facts..the man blew it and is still trying to distance himself from this mess and its not going to work

Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?

The claim: The Obama administration used and did not replenish the nation’s emergency stockpile of medical supplies, including N95 masks
Our rating: True
We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. There is no indication that the Obama administration took significant steps to replenish the supply of N95 masks in the Strategic National Stockpile after it was depleted from repeated crises. Calls for action came from experts at the time concerned for the country’s ability to respond to future serious pandemics. Such recommendations were, for whatever reason, not heeded.

Fact check: Did the Obama administration deplete the federal stockpile of N95 masks?

During the presidency of Barack Obama, the national stockpile was seriously taxed as the administration addressed multiple crises over eight years.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Fed Starving]

Obama was a busy man, too socially active to remember everything he's gotta do. He was literally rushing through as much as he could and a lot of untied ends were left behind. Remember how many interviews and magazine shoots and endorsements he completed? He was too busy making social ties and forgot to do a lot of things. His whole administration had that mindset.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

Fuck off, Hew was downplaying the Virus well in to March.

By the time he banned some travel out of China, the Airlines had already drastically cut their number of flights.

Trump was down playing the virus well into March.

Trump: "Low Risk. It will disappear, we have 15 cases soon to be. zero!!!!"

When Democrats pushed for more action. Trump called their concern a HOAX>

Maybe Trump was listening to Nancy:

Yet blamed Trump’s early “denial” for spread of coronavirus
In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

In Late February, Nancy Pelosi Encouraged Large Groups to Congregate in Chinatown

canadafreepress.com

 

[Flopper]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

Thats not a bad idea

I also think that medical personnel could be shuttled around the country from cities that are not overwhelmed to places like new york where they need more doctors and nurses

I don't know if that is being done but it's a good idea. I do know that many places retired healthcare workers are coming out of retirement to offer their services.

 

[Flopper]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

 

[Flopper]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

When they went to buy, the federal govertnment sucked up the supplies.
If the feds aren't supposed to help the states why is Fuckhead Trump buying them all?

Of course the federal government is suppose to help the states in a time of emergency. The CDC has a yearly budget of nearly 7 billion and there primary responsibility is controlling the spread of infectious diseases in the US, and providing consultation and assistance to the states. FEMA has a budget of 18 billion and their primary responsibility is preparing for, preventing, mitigating the effects of, responding to, and recovering from all domestic disasters, whether natural or man-made. To expect all the states to have sufficient resource to deal with any emergency without the help of the federal government is ridiculous. It would require a huge duplication of effort and resources.

 

[Flopper]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

Trump denied that there was a problem and blamed the Dems for a "hoax". It is his fault for not turning it over to the medical and science communities. Instead, he installed 2 inexperienced hacks to head up the response. Amateur night in Dixie.

On Jan 21, the first Covid 19 case was discovered in the US which was a several weeks after the WHO warned the US of a pandemic. 2 days later the 2nd case was reported. The US response was to wait and see. On Jan 29, the Corna Virus Task Force was formed to monitor the situation. The task force continued to monitor the situation over the next 30 days as the virus spread to 5 states. On March 4th the president declared a national emergency which marked the end of the containment phase which was a complete failure due to a lack of attention and no plan to deal with a pandemic.

 

[Bobob]

Obama was a busy man, too socially active to remember everything he's gotta do. He was literally rushing through as much as he could and a lot of untied ends were left behind. Remember how many interviews and magazine shoots and endorsements he completed? He was too busy making social ties and forgot to do a lot of things. His whole administration had that mindset.

Bullshit.

 

[jc456]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

 

[jc456]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

Trump denied that there was a problem and blamed the Dems for a "hoax". It is his fault for not turning it over to the medical and science communities. Instead, he installed 2 inexperienced hacks to head up the response. Amateur night in Dixie.

On Jan 21, the first Covid 19 case was discovered in the US which was a several weeks after the WHO warned the US of a pandemic. 2 days later the 2nd case was reported. The US response was to wait and see. On Jan 29, the Corna Virus Task Force was formed to monitor the situation. The task force continued to monitor the situation over the next 30 days as the virus spread to 5 states. On March 4th the president declared a national emergency which marked the end of the containment phase which was a complete failure due to a lack of attention and no plan to deal with a pandemic.

whatever poindexter. no mention of the lockdown of flights to and from asia. yeah, dishonest as a day is long.

 

[tigerred59]

and also Dr Fausi, et al and Trump brushed them aside.

Trump did not brush them aside. Remember, back on Jan 26th Dr Fauci was telling the US public that COVID-19 was not something to worry about, and it was of a very low risk to the US. Five days later Trump declared the virus a national public health emergency, banned flights from China, and instituted quarantine procedures for incoming travelers.

So stop with this crap that Trump "brushed them aside." Trump was being called a racist, a xenophobe and that he was overreacting, by the same Trump-haters who claim he didn't act soon enough,or that he brushed aside the recommendations by the CDC and NIH medical experts.

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Dr. Fauci told Newsmax’s Greg Kelly on January 21.

yes he said that at a time when there were no cases in the US.

Yes Trump restricted travel in Jan and it was not a ban. He suspended foreigners who had been in China in the last 14 days from entering the country but that did not stop American who had visited China from coming back into the US. There were still active flights to and from China.

The first death reported outside of China was in Feb 2.

Trump statements

• “I think the virus is going to be — it’s going to be fine.” — February 10, 2020.
• “Because of all we’ve done, the risk to the American people remains very low. … When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” — February 26, 2020.
• “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” — February 28, 2020.
• “This is their new hoax.” — February 28, 2020

IN late Feb he was calling it a hoax, I guess he gave up on his favorite line fake news.

• “So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!” — March 9, 2020.
• “This is a very contagious virus. It’s incredible. But it’s something that we have tremendous control over.” — March 15, 2020.

Trump was brushing it aside up until Mar 15th

and then his tune changed - I have always now that this panademic was a real threat

That is the problem with Trump in a nutshell

Fauci started to mention Panademic in Feb 17 whereas Trump was still under the impression that it was a hoax.

The timeline is there and it does not lie

Saying that Fauci made a statement in Jan at the beginning as being meaningful is looking for a scapegoat or someone to blame other than Trump. As far as I know Fauci never called this a hoax.

Everybody with a working brain cell know the facts, know the truth....AND IF WE'VE LEARNED ANYTHING SINCE THE BEGINING OF THIS TRUMP PRESIDENCY....REPUBLICANS HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN HELL WITH THEIR NAMES ON IT!!

 

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ORANGEMANBAD

 

[Bobob]

I see how that works, absolutely! Both boys failed in this effort. However, The World Health Organization announced in
December that a pandemic was on its way and Trump did nothing except to blame the Democrats for a hoax.....for 2 months. He then appoints two hacks to head our effort, instead of medical experts and scientists who have the experience.
He is only making things worse with his blather and people like you are reveling in his bad behavior, as usual.

And as late as January 14th, that same World Health Organization told the world that the coronavirus was not contagious between humans. And I guess that too is just mean old 0range man's fault?

Trump denied that there was a problem and blamed the Dems for a "hoax". It is his fault for not turning it over to the medical and science communities. Instead, he installed 2 inexperienced hacks to head up the response. Amateur night in Dixie.

On Jan 21, the first Covid 19 case was discovered in the US which was a several weeks after the WHO warned the US of a pandemic. 2 days later the 2nd case was reported. The US response was to wait and see. On Jan 29, the Corna Virus Task Force was formed to monitor the situation. The task force continued to monitor the situation over the next 30 days as the virus spread to 5 states. On March 4th the president declared a national emergency which marked the end of the containment phase which was a complete failure due to a lack of attention and no plan to deal with a pandemic.

whatever poindexter. no mention of the lockdown of flights to and from asia. yeah, dishonest as a day is long.

Whatever that means. You people always have the same response to truth.

 

[Flopper]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

 

[Mac-7]

But of course the left and their media will never do any significant reporting on this.
(hint to our board libs: Trump was not president in 2009, nor 2010, nor 2011, nor 2012, nor 2013, nor 2014, nor 2015, nor 2016)

"the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009, which triggered a nationwide shortage of masks and caused a 2- to 3-year backlog orders for the N95 variety, the stockpile distributed about three-quarters of its inventory and didn’t build back the supply."

Hospital Workers Make Masks From Office Supplies Amid U.S. Shortage

‘We’re not getting new supplies and our stores are almost depleted.’

www.bloomberg.com

In have an idea. Why don't you lying assfucks show me where Congress funded them and Obama said no.

Furthermore, your fat asssed orange buddy has been President for 3/4 of a complete 4 year term. At what point is anything is his fault? He was briefed. We had a Pandemic office in the NSC. What the fuck happened to it?

The primary responsibility for PPE, ventilators and other medical equipment belongs to the states and local government

new york failed to maintain m95 masks and other necessary supplies and now coumo is doing CYA

at the same time the federal government should have replenished its stocks also

so there is blame to go around including Dr Fauci

A State cannot muster the resources that the federal government can to deal with any disaster that might occur for several reasons. First being states can not create money. The federal government has the power to create whatever funds are needed in a disaster. Secondly, the federal government can move supplies and other resources between states as the need arises. Last, for every state to maintain and equivalent to the CDC, FEMA, and other parts of the federal government sufficient to handle any disaster would be wasteful and cost prohibited.

Hospitals with the help of local and state government need to be ready to handle the more common disasters such as fires, floods, storms, explosions, train and plane accidents, etc, not a pandemics the size of which the nation has not seen in a hundreds years.

What you say is true up to a point

states can do little during an emergency

but they have had about 10 years since the previous chinese pandemic and that is time enough to stockpile needed supplies and equipment

but states like new york said why bother?

uncle sugar will take care of us when the time comes

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there. Just as a tornado or hurricane does not hit every state, epidemics, can be selected which makes it bit wasteful for every state to stockpile for what is very unlikely to occur their state. This is the first pandemic that hit a number of states in a hundred years. For every state to build a stockpile would be wasteful.

Another point to keep in mind is that the CDC employs over 10,000 people of which about 2500 are epidemiologist. Most states employ between 0 and 3 epidemiologist. Most state have no plans for a pandemic because that is something the federal government plans and they inform the states as what their part should be.

States should plan on what is likely to effect their state and federal government should plan on events that are not likely to hit any specific state but likely to hit somewhere in the nation.

Of course, the states could stock pile if the feds said they needed to do so but that has never been the case. The states stockpile only enough to last till the feds to get there.

not so

Its always been the states and local government with primary responsibility for the health of their citizens

the states like new york and california chose to be unprepared

They have primary responsibility of delivering healthcare to their citizens. That does not mean buying billions of dollars of supplies that they are not likely to need but others states will need. Centrally purchasing supplies and distributing where needed can be done far cheaper than every state doing it. It would be a huge duplication of cost and effort.

why not? if it is their responsibility, it's their responsibility. I love it, the push the blame from the true idiots that didn't place orders in February to help their own. It wasn't trump's nor obammy's. it isn't a president's position to provide local healthcare. it is mayors and governors. but hey, keep your tongue tight against your demofks dick.

It's responsibility of the local medical community to provide medical care for routine problems and emergencies not epidemics, with no known treatments or prevention requiring resources that would be impossible for them to provide. This is were the federal government's responsible comes into play. Unlike local healthcare facilities, the federal government has unlimited resources in a national emergency. They spend billions dollars on research, planning, and acquiring resources to deal with national emergencies that may or may not ever come to pass. They have the ability to shift resources to where they are most needed, to force if necessary the production of needed equipment and supplies.

then their administrations should be fired. everyone. when they heard of this problem they should have immediately put in orders with their distributors. That isn't a trump responsibility. he's there if there are issues and only if there are issues to relax the supplies. dude, please your constant convering up for the slackers. McFly

It is the responsibility of federal government to provide help to the states in a national emergency. This is why we spend 18 billion a year on FEMA and about 8 billion on the CDC. It would be incredibility stupid for thousands of hospital to spend tens of million of dollars each on equipment and supplies that they would most probably never use. The federal goverment only needs to stock pile some what will be finally needed because supplies and equipment can moved from place to place as needed.

With the welfare beggar mentality that grips this country its not surprising libs in big blue cities would shirk their duty to provide for the health of their citizens

but it really is their responsibilty whether you admit it or not

we know that NIH and the CDC did not spend their billions wisely since the last pandemic 10 years ago