Why are there no Aryan women in Europe?

[rupol2000]

It is believed that the Aryans came to Europe from the East, from the Great Steppe, founded several cultures there, among which the latter was La Tene, then became known as the Celts and latins. It is believed that a significant proportion of Europeans descended from them. It is believed that these are some of the subclades of the macrogroup R. But in Europe there are almost no women originating from Central Asia or Siberia, from the places of primary Aryan localization. How could this have happened? Either they did not migrate with the men, which is unlikely, or they are exterminated. By whom? Perhaps during a witch hunt?

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

Gypsies are Indo Aryan.

 

[rupol2000]

Gypsies are Indo Aryan.

I think this only applies to some of the Gypsies in Eastern Europe. Some of their women really look like Arian, and their language is considered Indo-Aryan.
But it is not common population
almost all European women are descended from macrogroup N

PS
By the way, I think that they are somehow related to the Hungarians, they have similar clothes and music

 

[rupol2000]

Table 7 . Distribution of mtDNA Haplogroups in the Modern Hungarian...

Download Table | Distribution of mtDNA Haplogroups in the Modern Hungarian Population from publication: Mitochondrial DNA of Ancient Cumanians: Culturally Asian Steppe Nomadic Immigrants with Substantially More Western Eurasian Mitochondrial DNA Lineages | The Cumanians were originally Asian...

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This is something incredible. Even among the Hungarians, who authentically came from Central Asia, European groups

 

[Stryder50]

The Seven Daughters of Eve[1] is a 2001 semi-fictional book by Bryan Sykes that presents the science of human origin in Africa and their dispersion to a general audience.[2] Sykes explains the principles of genetics and human evolution, the particularities of mitochondrial DNA, and analyses of ancient DNA to genetically link modern humans to prehistoric ancestors.

Following the developments of mitochondrial genetics, Sykes traces back human migrations, discusses the "out of Africa theory" and casts serious doubt upon Thor Heyerdahl's theory of the Peruvian origin of the Polynesians, which opposed the theory of their origin in Indonesia. He also describes the use of mitochondrial DNA in identifying the remains of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, and in assessing the genetic makeup of modern Europe.

The title of the book comes from one of the principal achievements of mitochondrial genetics, which is the classification of all modern Europeans into seven groups, the mitochondrial haplogroups. Each haplogroup is defined by a set of characteristic mutations on the mitochondrial genome, and can be traced along a person's maternal line to a specific prehistoric woman. Sykes refers to these women as "clan mothers", though these women did not all live concurrently. All these women in turn shared a common maternal ancestor, the Mitochondrial Eve.

The last third of the book is spent on a series of fictional narratives, written by Sykes, describing his creative guesses about the lives of each of these seven "clan mothers". This latter half generally met with mixed reviews in comparison with the first part
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Mitochondrial haplogroups in The Seven Daughters of Eve​

The seven "clan mothers" mentioned by Sykes each correspond to one (or more) human mitochondrial haplogroups.

• Ursula: corresponds to Haplogroup U (specifically U5, and excluding its subgroup K)
• Xenia: corresponds to Haplogroup X
• Helena: corresponds to Haplogroup H
• Velda: corresponds to Haplogroup V
• Tara: corresponds to Haplogroup T
• Katrine: corresponds to Haplogroup K
• Jasmine: corresponds to Haplogroup J

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The Seven Daughters of Eve - Wikipedia

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[rupol2000]

The Seven Daughters of Eve[1] is a 2001 semi-fictional book by Bryan Sykes that presents the science of human origin in Africa and their dispersion to a general audience.[2] Sykes explains the principles of genetics and human evolution, the particularities of mitochondrial DNA, and analyses of ancient DNA to genetically link modern humans to prehistoric ancestors.

Following the developments of mitochondrial genetics, Sykes traces back human migrations, discusses the "out of Africa theory" and casts serious doubt upon Thor Heyerdahl's theory of the Peruvian origin of the Polynesians, which opposed the theory of their origin in Indonesia. He also describes the use of mitochondrial DNA in identifying the remains of Emperor Nicholas II of Russia, and in assessing the genetic makeup of modern Europe.

The title of the book comes from one of the principal achievements of mitochondrial genetics, which is the classification of all modern Europeans into seven groups, the mitochondrial haplogroups. Each haplogroup is defined by a set of characteristic mutations on the mitochondrial genome, and can be traced along a person's maternal line to a specific prehistoric woman. Sykes refers to these women as "clan mothers", though these women did not all live concurrently. All these women in turn shared a common maternal ancestor, the Mitochondrial Eve.

The last third of the book is spent on a series of fictional narratives, written by Sykes, describing his creative guesses about the lives of each of these seven "clan mothers". This latter half generally met with mixed reviews in comparison with the first part
...

Mitochondrial haplogroups in The Seven Daughters of Eve​

The seven "clan mothers" mentioned by Sykes each correspond to one (or more) human mitochondrial haplogroups.

• Ursula: corresponds to Haplogroup U (specifically U5, and excluding its subgroup K)
• Xenia: corresponds to Haplogroup X
• Helena: corresponds to Haplogroup H
• Velda: corresponds to Haplogroup V
• Tara: corresponds to Haplogroup T
• Katrine: corresponds to Haplogroup K
• Jasmine: corresponds to Haplogroup J

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The Seven Daughters of Eve - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And how does this explain the absence of Asian markers in Europe?

 

[Stryder50]

And how does this explain the absence of Asian markers in Europe?

Like Aryan?
... Should there be Asian markers in Europe?
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EXCERPT:
The Aryan race is a debunked historical race concept which emerged in the late 19th century to describe people of Indo-European heritage as a racial grouping.[1] The theory has been widely rejected and disproved since no historical or archaeological evidence exists.[2][3][4]

The concept derives from the notion that the original speakers of the Indo-European languages and their descendants up to the present day constitute a distinctive race or subrace of the Caucasian race.
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Aryan race - Wikipedia

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Aryan or Arya (/ˈɛəriən/;[1] Indo-Iranian *arya) is a term originally used as an ethnocultural self-designation by Indo-Iranians in ancient times, in contrast to the nearby outsiders known as 'non-Aryan' (*an-arya).[2][3] In Ancient India, the term ā́rya was used by the Indo-Aryan speakers of the Vedic period as an endonym (self-designation) and in reference to a region known as Āryāvarta ('abode of the Aryas'), where the Indo-Aryan culture emerged.[4] In the Avesta scriptures, ancient Iranian peoples similarly used the term airya to designate themselves as an ethnic group, and in reference to their mythical homeland, Airyanem Waēǰō ('stretch of the Aryas').[5][6] The root also forms the etymological source of place names such as Iran (*Aryānām) and Alania (*Aryāna-).[7]

Although the root *arya- may be of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) origin,[8] its use as an ethnocultural self-designation is only attested among Indo-Iranian peoples, and it is not known if PIE speakers had a term to designate themselves as 'Proto-Indo-Europeans'. In any case, scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an Aryan was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]

In the 1850s the term 'Aryan' was adopted as a racial category by French writer Arthur de Gobineau, who, through the later works of Houston Stewart Chamberlain, influenced the Nazi racial ideology.[12] Under Nazi rule (1933–1945), the term applied to most inhabitants of Germany excluding Jews and Slavs such as Czechs, Poles or Russians.[13][14] Those classified as 'non-Aryans,' especially Jews,[15] were discriminated against before suffering the systematic mass killing known as the Holocaust.[13] The atrocities committed in the name of Aryanist supremacist ideologies have led academics to avoid the term 'Aryan', which has been replaced in most cases by 'Indo-Iranian', although the South Asian branch is still known as 'Indo-Aryan'.
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Aryan - Wikipedia

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However, since the late 20th century, a growing number of scholars have rejected both the Aryan invasion hypothesis and the use of the term Aryan as a racial designation, suggesting that the Sanskrit term arya (“noble” or “distinguished”), the linguistic root of the word, was actually a social rather than an ethnic epithet. Rather, the term is used strictly in a linguistic sense, in recognition of the influence that the language of the ancient northern migrants had on the development of the Indo-European languages of South Asia. In the 19th century “Aryan” was used as a synonym for “Indo-European” and also, more restrictively, to refer to the Indo-Iranian languages. It is now used in linguistics only in the sense of the term Indo-Aryan languages, a branch of the larger Indo-European language family.
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Aryan | Definition, History, & Facts

Aryan, name originally given to a people who were said to speak an archaic Indo-European language and who were thought to have settled in prehistoric times in ancient Iran and the northern Indian subcontinent. Since the late 20th century, a growing number of scholars have rejected the concept of...

www.britannica.com

 

[rupol2000]

suggesting that the Sanskrit term arya

Sanskrit is not an Aryan language at all, nor is it an ancient language, it is a mix of Prokrites based on Aryan grammar. It is often confused with the Vedic lang. Lang of Vedas and Mitannian language are Vedic languages, not Sanskrit
In general, all that you have quoted is pseudo-scientific nonsense. Aryan cultures are defined not only by language. The first Aryan cultures were in the Andronovo cultures, in the steppe regions of Asia. In particular, in Aryavarta in 1500 BC there were the same chariots that were in Andronovo in 2000 BC.
In Europe, they are known as the founders of the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures. Their language in Europe is Ancient Greek and Ancient Latin. But all this has nothing to do with the topic, except for why there were no women heiresses of the ancient Latins left in Europe.

 

[Stryder50]

Sanskrit is not an Aryan language at all, nor is it an ancient language, it is a mix of Prokrites based on Aryan grammar. It is often confused with the Vedic lang.
In general, all that you have quoted is pseudo-scientific nonsense. Aryan cultures are defined not only by language. The first Aryan cultures were in the Andronovo cultures, in the steppe regions of Asia. In particular, in Aryavarta in 1500 BC there were the same chariots that were in Andronovo in 2000 BC.
In Europe, they are known as the founders of the Hallstatt and La Tene cultures. Their language in Europe is Ancient Greek and Ancient Latin. But all this has nothing to do with the topic.

I think you are muddling history a bit here.
1) the map of your OP only goes back to about 13,000 years ago, about the time when the last Ice Age was ending and human migrations could restart.
2) The links I provided are more credible than you personally are, so are worth some consideration, even if they counter your personal bias.
3) When there was credibility to "Aryan" expansion, the timeline would put them migrating West and South around 4-6,000 BC, at earliest. Hence the concept that other ethnics like the Celts might be later day variations of such.
4) Genetic lineage is still rather early in development and subject to later change and revision, so don't get too locked in to the current expressions.
5) Don't overlook other factors in human expansion~migration~conquest. IIRC, some Hungarians show traits the result of the Mongol surge westward of not so long ago;
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The Mongol invasions and conquests took place during the 13th and 14th centuries, creating history's largest contiguous empire: the Mongol Empire, which by 1300 covered large parts of Eurasia. Historians regard the Mongol devastation as one of the deadliest episodes in history.[1][2] In addition, Mongol expeditions may have spread the bubonic plague across much of Eurasia, helping to spark the Black Death of the 14th century.[3][4][5][6]

The Mongol Empire developed in the course of the 13th century through a series of victorious campaigns throughout Asia, reaching Eastern Europe by the 1240s. In contrast with later "empires of the sea" such as European colonial powers, the Mongol Empire was a land power, fueled by the grass-foraging Mongol cavalry and cattle.[7] Thus most Mongol conquest and plundering took place during the warmer seasons, when there was sufficient grazing for their herds.[7] The rise of the Mongols was preceded by 15 years of wet and warm weather conditions from 1211 to 1225 that allowed favourable conditions for the breeding of horses, which greatly assisted their expansion.[8]

As the Mongol Empire began to fragment from 1260, conflict between the Mongols and Eastern European polities continued for centuries. Mongols continued to rule China into the 14th century under the Yuan dynasty, while Mongol rule in Persia persisted into the 15th century under the Timurid Empire. In India, the later Mogul Empire survived into the 19th century.
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Mongol invasions and conquests - Wikipedia

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- See the interactive map in the above link. -

 

[rupol2000]

some Hungarians show traits the result of the Mongol surge westward of not so long ago;
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They are the "Mongols", they come from the Jungars, their ethnonym itself speaks of this, and it is not a secret at all that they came after the Huns of Attila and conquered all of Europe

 

[rupol2000]

They have a monument to Attila

Great Conquests of the Hungarians​

 

[rupol2000]

By the way, their Asian female genes are not there either. In addition, Eastern Europe up to Bavaria was occupied by Avars, who are also from Asia, and their female genes are not there either.

 

[fncceo]

How could this have happened? Either they did not migrate with the men, which is unlikely, or they are exterminated. By whom? Perhaps during a witch hunt?

Are you suggesting all women migrating to Europe from Central Asia during the Pleistocene were burned as witches? Did they weigh more than a duck?

 

[rupol2000]

Are you suggesting all women migrating to Europe from Central Asia during the Pleistocene were burned as witches? Did they weigh more than a duck?

There were at least 2 large waves from the Asian steppe to Europe: the ancient Aryans who lived in the La Tene culture and the Huns who occupied the whole of Eastern Europe. Perhaps I hurried with the map that I posted above, but on modern maps they are also almost not there.

PS True, this card is also not entirely modern.

 

[Stryder50]

By the way, their Asian female genes are not there either. In addition, Eastern Europe up to Bavaria was occupied by Avars, who are also from Asia, and their female genes are not there either.

So what are these "Asian genes" you speak of?

Your source~link in post #4 of this thread, the "H" and "HV" haplogroups amount to about 39.2% of Hungarian genetics and we find the "H" haplogroup among the "Seven Sisters" source I cited~linked; so could you be a bit more specific here?

You have me wondering if you really understand genetics at all.
Or, what you are trying to say/prove?

Some further documentation = sources~links might help.

 

[fncceo]

And your point is ...?

 

[Stryder50]

There were at least 2 large waves from the Asian steppe to Europe: the ancient Aryans who lived in the La Tene culture and the Huns who occupied the whole of Eastern Europe. Perhaps I hurried with the map that I posted above, but on modern maps they are also almost not there.

I think that is because the existence of "Aryans" is under question to have been "real" by most current experts.

 

[justinacolmena]

It is believed that the Aryans came to Europe from the East, from the Great Steppe, founded several cultures there, among which the latter was La Tene, then became known as the Celts and latins.

That would be the Caucasians who broke away from the Asians, before they ever got as white as they are today.

 

[rupol2000]

So what are these "Asian genes" you speak of?

Your source~link in post #4 of this thread, the "H" and "HV" haplogroups amount to about 39.2% of Hungarian genetics and we find the "H" haplogroup among the "Seven Sisters" source I cited~linked; so could you be a bit more specific here?

You have me wondering if you really understand genetics at all.
Or, what you are trying to say/prove?

Some further documentation = sources~links might help.

I don't think you need not to be a geneticist to read marker data. There are different colors in Europe and Asia. Roughly Asian are those that descended from the macrogroup M

 

[rupol2000]

I think that is because the existence of "Aryans" is under question to have been "real" by most current experts.

Such "experts" can only be in cheap pubs, because archeology and linguistics provide objective data and not something that can be questioned.