Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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That endlessly deep pit of want and need (the territories occupied by the so-called Pal’istanians), are as usual, unable to provide for themselves.

As usual, it falls to others to meet their perceived entitlements. A $30m-funding shortfall is just the latest disaster the rest of the planet is expected to resolve for the Pally’s.






The Palestinians’ COVID-19 vaccination plan faces a $30m-funding shortfall, even after factoring in support from a global vaccine scheme for poorer economies, the World Bank said in a report on Monday.

Israel, a world leader in terms of vaccination speed, should consider donating surplus doses to the Palestinians to help accelerate a vaccine roll-out in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, the bank said.
Israel is the reason that the Palestinians need aid.

Pally incompetence is the reason the Pally welfare society needs aid.
Before Israel they needed no aid. After Israel they do.

Take that for what it is worth.
Not worth much.

Excuses for self-inflicted failure. Is that all you got?
 
Oh, those poor, oppressed Pally's. No matter how much you give them, it's never enough to satisfy their presumed entitlement.

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No-win: Israeli free training, loans, and grants to Palestinians are an "attack” on young Palestinians, leading to “Israelization”


Nan Jacques Zilberdik and Itamar Marcus | Feb 21, 2021

This is a textbook example of Israel's no-win predicament:
The PA’s standard libel is that Israel is deliberately trying to harm Palestinians and at other times Israel is criticized by the PA for allegedly not taking care of Palestinians.
But now when Israel has created a special program to create economic opportunities for Palestinians it is being criticized for its “attack” that is causing “Israelization” among Palestinian youth. For Israel it’s a tragic no-win.

For Israel it’s a tragic no-win.

Actually it's a step forward and a win situation for Israel.

Recently I've been listening closer to Rabbi Yehuda Hakohen,
one of the main points he's discussing is how Israel's full sovereignty
would materialize, and the practical ways to start already gradually applying it.

Specifically he's talking about Israel gradually taking the responsibility
for the PA and Gaza civil workers salaries, while moving forward to involve
wider spheres of local government, medical workers, infrastructure etc. under Israeli care.

And that's exactly what we see here.
They complain about "Israelization"? Great!
It's openly clear, it's finally true, it signals acceptance of reality,
which sets stage to dealing with the practical aspects of this inevitable development.

Actually, I couldn't expect a better response,
ask Yourself, really, could their public reaction be anymore positive?
 
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Before the establishment of Israel, the ungrateful Arab Palestinians were under the Administration of the Mandate for Palestine.

Before Israel they needed no aid. After Israel they do.
(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment of Israel, the Territory subject to the Mandate and "inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves."

From 1922 until 1948, the High Commissioner governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials. For various excuses, the Arab Palestinians reject participation in self-governing institutions.

From November 1947 until May 1948, while the Jewish Agency and the National Council for the Jewish State worked tirelessly in the creation of self-governing institutions across the entire spectrum of government. In 1948 the National Council for the Jewish State applied for recognition of the Provisional Government. The Arab Palestinians did not lift a finger in the establishment of any aspect of government and did not have a functioning provisional government.

Take that for what it is worth.
(COMMENT)

Well, I would say that it is not worth the Israeli Shekel, used by the Arab Palestinians as currency. But → that would be an insult to the value of the Shekel. So, in my opinion, it is not worth a single Donor Community Dollar used to prop-up the Ramallah Government and Gaza City Governments
(such as they are).

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Before the establishment of Israel, the ungrateful Arab Palestinians were under the Administration of the Mandate for Palestine.

Before Israel they needed no aid. After Israel they do.
(COMMENT)

Prior to the establishment of Israel, the Territory subject to the Mandate and "inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves."

From 1922 until 1948, the High Commissioner governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials. For various excuses, the Arab Palestinians reject participation in self-governing institutions.

From November 1947 until May 1948, while the Jewish Agency and the National Council for the Jewish State worked tirelessly in the creation of self-governing institutions across the entire spectrum of government. In 1948 the National Council for the Jewish State applied for recognition of the Provisional Government. The Arab Palestinians did not lift a finger in the establishment of any aspect of government and did not have a functioning provisional government.

Take that for what it is worth.
(COMMENT)

Well, I would say that it is not worth the Israeli Shekel, used by the Arab Palestinians as currency. But → that would be an insult to the value of the Shekel. So, in my opinion, it is not worth a single Donor Community Dollar used to prop-up the Ramallah Government and Gaza City Governments
(such as they are).

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Most Respectfully,
R
Before Israel they needed no aid. After Israel they do.
(COMMENT)
Prior to the establishment of Israel, the Territory subject to the Mandate and "inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves."

From 1922 until 1948, the High Commissioner governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials. For various excuses, the Arab Palestinians reject participation in self-governing institutions. Blah, blah, blah.
What does all that crapola have to do with aid?
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Mandatory Government covers budget costs and all debt. That is obvious from the A05 Series A: Collection of Judgments (1923-1930) | Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ • 1922-1946)


What does all that crapola have to do with aid?
(COMMENT)

When a Mandatory Government provides for the entire cost of the Administration, especially when the Staff of the High Commissioner is entirely British (Arab Palestinians rejected all efforts to include them in government), that is essentially the same as "donor contributions" (ie "aid"; what is called (today) → UK Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, Direct Aid supports small and medium-sized civil society organizations to deliver the Global Goals).

You do this quite often. You intentionally act as if the • dots • are impossible to connect. Just who in the hell do you think was picking up the tab for the cost of the British Administration of Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials?

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Mandatory Government covers budget costs and all debt. That is obvious from the A05 Series A: Collection of Judgments (1923-1930) | Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ • 1922-1946)


What does all that crapola have to do with aid?
(COMMENT)

When a Mandatory Government provides for the entire cost of the Administration, especially when the Staff of the High Commissioner is entirely British (Arab Palestinians rejected all efforts to include them in government), that is essentially the same as "donor contributions" (ie "aid"; what is called (today) → UK Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, Direct Aid supports small and medium-sized civil society organizations to deliver the Global Goals).

You do this quite often. You intentionally act as if the • dots • are impossible to connect. Just who in the hell do you think was picking up the tab for the cost of the British Administration of Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials?

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Most Respectfully,
R
The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Mandatory Government covers budget costs and all debt. That is obvious from the A05 Series A: Collection of Judgments (1923-1930) | Permanent Court of International Justice (PCIJ • 1922-1946)


What does all that crapola have to do with aid?
(COMMENT)

When a Mandatory Government provides for the entire cost of the Administration, especially when the Staff of the High Commissioner is entirely British (Arab Palestinians rejected all efforts to include them in government), that is essentially the same as "donor contributions" (ie "aid"; what is called (today) → UK Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office, Direct Aid supports small and medium-sized civil society organizations to deliver the Global Goals).

You do this quite often. You intentionally act as if the • dots • are impossible to connect. Just who in the hell do you think was picking up the tab for the cost of the British Administration of Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials?

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Most Respectfully,
R
The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
How do you know Britain overspent on time and security by choice?

Link?
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The British Administration did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1922-1948. The Jordanians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948 - 1967. The Egyptians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948-1967. The Israelis did not have to put out a general call for donations for Area "C" since the Oslo accords. The international donor program for the Arab Palestinian governments in Ramallah and Gaza only started after the Arab Palestinians demanded recognition as a state under the
Montevideo Convention (Article 1) and the Right of Self-Determination.

The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking exclusively about the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine quasi-Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Appeals (11 February 2021) for US$ 806 million (plus) to support core services (education, health, relief, social services, protection, infrastructure and camp improvements). It appears that the new Administration will resume some funding, but the amount is not immediately understood.

Either the Arab Palestinians have an actual government that is not dependent on International Donations to support its budget, - OR - the Arag Palestinians do not have an Article 22 Stand-alone Government.

Currently, the Ramallah and Gaza Governments cannot provide the necessary medical services for COVID-19 Vaccination programs. The International Community is placing the blame on the Israelis since the Arab Palestinian Governments cannot functionally adapt and provides their own standalone services.

The Jewish Voice for Peace Health Advisory Council (JVP-HAC) calls on Israel to assume its responsibility to distribute vaccines to Palestinians (22 FEB 2021) in the occupied territory.​

Israel provides COVID-19 vaccine doses for
Palestinian health-care workers
Israel transferred today 2,000 coronavirus vaccine doses to the Palestinian Authority (PA).
The Pfizer-made vaccine doses were delivered through the Betunia trade crossing point in
the southwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. A second delivery of 3,000 doses is expected
in the coming days, with both deliveries destined for Palestinian health-care workers.
It was the first time Israel handed over to the Palestinians significant coronavirus
vaccines from its own supply.

The question is, who is overspending and on what?

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The British Administration did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1922-1948. The Jordanians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948 - 1967. The Egyptians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948-1967. The Israelis did not have to put out a general call for donations for Area "C" since the Oslo accords. The international donor program for the Arab Palestinian governments in Ramallah and Gaza only started after the Arab Palestinians demanded recognition as a state under the
Montevideo Convention (Article 1) and the Right of Self-Determination.

The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking exclusively about the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine quasi-Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Appeals (11 February 2021) for US$ 806 million (plus) to support core services (education, health, relief, social services, protection, infrastructure and camp improvements). It appears that the new Administration will resume some funding, but the amount is not immediately understood.

Either the Arab Palestinians have an actual government that is not dependent on International Donations to support its budget, - OR - the Arag Palestinians do not have an Article 22 Stand-alone Government.

Currently, the Ramallah and Gaza Governments cannot provide the necessary medical services for COVID-19 Vaccination programs. The International Community is placing the blame on the Israelis since the Arab Palestinian Governments cannot functionally adapt and provides their own standalone services.

The Jewish Voice for Peace Health Advisory Council (JVP-HAC) calls on Israel to assume its responsibility to distribute vaccines to Palestinians (22 FEB 2021) in the occupied territory.​


Israel provides COVID-19 vaccine doses for
Palestinian health-care workers

Israel transferred today 2,000 coronavirus vaccine doses to the Palestinian Authority (PA).
The Pfizer-made vaccine doses were delivered through the Betunia trade crossing point in
the southwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. A second delivery of 3,000 doses is expected
in the coming days, with both deliveries destined for Palestinian health-care workers.
It was the first time Israel handed over to the Palestinians significant coronavirus
vaccines from its own supply.​


The question is, who is overspending and on what?

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Most Respectfully,
R
Says the guy who does not know how regional economies work.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The British Administration did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1922-1948. The Jordanians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948 - 1967. The Egyptians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948-1967. The Israelis did not have to put out a general call for donations for Area "C" since the Oslo accords. The international donor program for the Arab Palestinian governments in Ramallah and Gaza only started after the Arab Palestinians demanded recognition as a state under the
Montevideo Convention (Article 1) and the Right of Self-Determination.

The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking exclusively about the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine quasi-Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Appeals (11 February 2021) for US$ 806 million (plus) to support core services (education, health, relief, social services, protection, infrastructure and camp improvements). It appears that the new Administration will resume some funding, but the amount is not immediately understood.

Either the Arab Palestinians have an actual government that is not dependent on International Donations to support its budget, - OR - the Arag Palestinians do not have an Article 22 Stand-alone Government.

Currently, the Ramallah and Gaza Governments cannot provide the necessary medical services for COVID-19 Vaccination programs. The International Community is placing the blame on the Israelis since the Arab Palestinian Governments cannot functionally adapt and provides their own standalone services.

The Jewish Voice for Peace Health Advisory Council (JVP-HAC) calls on Israel to assume its responsibility to distribute vaccines to Palestinians (22 FEB 2021) in the occupied territory.​


Israel provides COVID-19 vaccine doses for
Palestinian health-care workers

Israel transferred today 2,000 coronavirus vaccine doses to the Palestinian Authority (PA).
The Pfizer-made vaccine doses were delivered through the Betunia trade crossing point in
the southwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. A second delivery of 3,000 doses is expected
in the coming days, with both deliveries destined for Palestinian health-care workers.
It was the first time Israel handed over to the Palestinians significant coronavirus
vaccines from its own supply.​


The question is, who is overspending and on what?

1611604183365.png

Most Respectfully,
R
The question is, who is overspending and on what?
The answer is:
Britain overspent on time and security by choice.

According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.

Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?
 
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RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Need for Aid •
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The British Administration did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1922-1948. The Jordanians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948 - 1967. The Egyptians did not have to put out a general call for donations between 1948-1967. The Israelis did not have to put out a general call for donations for Area "C" since the Oslo accords. The international donor program for the Arab Palestinian governments in Ramallah and Gaza only started after the Arab Palestinians demanded recognition as a state under the
Montevideo Convention (Article 1) and the Right of Self-Determination.

The Ottoman's collected 30% tax from the Palestinians and they required no aid. Palestine had a government (headed by British officials and staffed by Palestinians) and they collected taxes also.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
(COMMENT)

We are not talking exclusively about the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine quasi-Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) Appeals (11 February 2021) for US$ 806 million (plus) to support core services (education, health, relief, social services, protection, infrastructure and camp improvements). It appears that the new Administration will resume some funding, but the amount is not immediately understood.

Either the Arab Palestinians have an actual government that is not dependent on International Donations to support its budget, - OR - the Arag Palestinians do not have an Article 22 Stand-alone Government.

Currently, the Ramallah and Gaza Governments cannot provide the necessary medical services for COVID-19 Vaccination programs. The International Community is placing the blame on the Israelis since the Arab Palestinian Governments cannot functionally adapt and provides their own standalone services.

The Jewish Voice for Peace Health Advisory Council (JVP-HAC) calls on Israel to assume its responsibility to distribute vaccines to Palestinians (22 FEB 2021) in the occupied territory.​


Israel provides COVID-19 vaccine doses for
Palestinian health-care workers

Israel transferred today 2,000 coronavirus vaccine doses to the Palestinian Authority (PA).
The Pfizer-made vaccine doses were delivered through the Betunia trade crossing point in
the southwest of Ramallah in the West Bank. A second delivery of 3,000 doses is expected
in the coming days, with both deliveries destined for Palestinian health-care workers.
It was the first time Israel handed over to the Palestinians significant coronavirus
vaccines from its own supply.​


The question is, who is overspending and on what?

1611604183365.png

Most Respectfully,
R
The question is, who is overspending and on what?
The answer is:
Britain overspent on time and security by choice.

According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.

Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?

“Britain overspent on time and security by choice.”

Link?
 
I’m of the opinion that Hamas believes their Islamic terrorist syndicate will still be a partner in the UNRWA welfare fraud program if (when) Emir Abbas assumes his present role of dictator in charge.





Hamas will not nominate a presidential candidate in the scheduled Palestinian elections, a senior official in the terror group told Al-Jazeera on Sunday.

Moussa Abu Marzouk’s remarks are likely to come as a relief to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who opinion polls indicate would lose in a head-to-head matchup with Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh.
 
RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,


Says the guy who does not know how regional economies work.
(COMMENT)

This is a response levied at me, as opposed to the content of my commentary.

Britain overspent on time and security by choice.
(COMMENT)

It is not unusual for Caretaker Regimes and Administrative Powers to make investments in territories that they have economic, commercial, and manufacturing interests within. But whether or not there is a "Caretaker Sovereignty" involved or managed by "Self-Governing" entities, the Middle East and North Africa region (MENA) constituted a cultural, economic, and political geography that extends well beyond the region’s physical borders. And while the Arab Palestinians are self-centered with a narrow view of the potential regional development, the post-WWI Allied Powers had a view of the region that fit the mosaic of the Greater Mediterranean traffic of international commercial patterns as it fits into the emerging world commerce and global economies. The western nations that actually made some investment in Israel (as opposed to the corrupted Jew-Arab Territory under Mandate) can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations and isolated cultures such as that of the Arab Palestinians.

The Mandatory Government (The British) tried hard to move the Territory under Mandate in a positive direction, but the constant end-fighting between the Jewish Culture and the Arab Culture strongly resisted cultural, economic, commercial, manufacturing, scientific, and political advancement that would have been beneficial to the stagnant Arab-Palestinian Local community, the emerging Jewish Culture, and the governing Administration.

According to Article 22 of the LoN Covenant, the Mandates were to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. Palestine already had a functioning society, economy, and local governments. (class A Mandate)They needed very little. With a handful of advisors, Britain could have been in and out of there in ten years or so.
(COMMENT)


I don't believe that is accurate at all. In any event, that was not the assessment made by the powers-that-be at the period.

While Arab Palestinians may have worked within the Ottoman governmental framework as minor functionaries, I doubt you can find a handful of Arab Palestinians that actually held senior leadership positions outside of service in the military against the Allied Powers.

Who, on the Arab Palestinian side of the equation, were the prominent cultural, economic, and political prior to the fall of the Ottoman Empire? You will be very hard-pressed to name a dozen (or so) Arab Palestinians noted for making great strides in commerce, manufacturing, and scientific development in the last Millenium. And while there were dozens and dozens of Arab Palestinian political personalities, you would be hard-pressed to name a handful of senior executive officials.

Instead, Britain maintained a full military presence for 30 years and still did not develop a few national institutions. What was the problem? Were they just stupid?
(COMMENT)

And was that unuusal?

There were only four Class "A" Mandates for post-War territories: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine.


◈ IRAQ: Independence: 3 October 1932 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration
◈ LEBANON: Independence: 22 November 1943 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration
◈ SYRIA: Independence: 17 April 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under French administration
◈ PALESTINE:
✦ Jordan: Independence 25 May 1946 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration
✦ Israel: Independence 15 May 1948 • released from League of Nations mandate under British administration
✦ West Bank:
○ Occupied and administered by Jordan 15 May 1948 -
Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 -
Sovereignty released by Jordan 31 July 1988 - Effective Control default to Israel -​
✦ Gaza Strip:
○ Occupied and administered by Egypt 15 May 1948 -
○ Occupied and administered by Israel 5-10 June 1967 -
○ Released by Israel Unilateral Withdrawal Completed September 12, 2005 - Default governance to Arab Palestinians -

OK, so the release of Palestine from the League of Nations Mandate was last. With the exception of the Republic of Iraq, all the political entities were release from the Mandates within 5 years of each other. And in remembering this, one has to acknowledge that the Arab Palestinians, from the very beginning of their administration under the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA), wanted treatment commensurate with the regional cultures that were members of an alliance with the Principal Allied Powers that were locked in conflict with the enemy Central Powers (the alliance of Germany, Austria–Hungary, → Ottoman, and Bulgaria). That simply was not going to be the case. At that point in time historically, to treat members of the opposing force with the same post-War benefits as the members of the Alliance would be a betrayal (almost deceitfulness) of the loyalty and dedication shown by the allied members.

(EPILOG)

After the Massacre of the Royal Family look at the outcome of Iraq. (Well)​
After the independence of Lebanon, the collapse of the political stability a Civil War took place from 1975 to 1990. (Casualties 100K plus)​
Look at Syria today: Syrian Civil War, opposing political-religious activist groups. (Casualties 400K plus)​

None of these territories actually developed a stable political government. The most stable of the group today is Lebanon. Yet, the people elected Hezbollah (terrorist) to the government with 53% of the seats in Parliament. Iraq is under a very strong influence of Iran, with its last Civil War (2014-2017) 400K died. Syria is simply a mess. We can argue the causes, but at the end of the day, these countries turned out NOT to be stable or stand on their own.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
can see a very marked difference between the development of Israel (a very positive outcome) and the development (a less successful outcome) of the surrounding Arab-related nations
Israel has had wealth and power shoveled in its direction for over a hundred years while the surrounding countries have suffered under hostile foreign intervention. Palestine has suffered the most under hostile foreign intervention.
 
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