Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

Now this is a very vivid case of selective application of International Law.

“Conquer the world”.

Brought to you by the Cult that can’t pay their electric bill.

Of course, though, not everyone is quite so sanguine about the prospects of a revival of the wholesome medieval Islamic values of sharia, gee-had, and... holy mass murder for Allah.
Al-Aqsa Mosque Address by Sheikh Muhammad Ayed: It Is Time to Announce Caliphate, Liberate Jerusalem, Set out for Rome and the White House, Conquer the World

(COMMENT)

I think I have heard every pro-Arab Palestinian complain about the double stand and raise the issue as to why the restrictions on Arab Palestinian travel across into Israel are still in force and may even get more restrictive.

The Arab Palestinians know damn well that the incitement of Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence is a direct violation of International Law.

◈ Article 19(3) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (“ICCPR”).
◈ Article 4(a) of the International Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (“ICERD”),
◈ Article 1a S/RES/1624 (2005) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts.
◈ Article 2 UN Charter on Threats to Use Force - Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threats to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; (Amplified by A/RES/2/110)​

These include respect for the rights of others, public order, prohibition of abuse of rights, or national security.


Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is the aggressor. The Palestinians are merely responding.-

Is bombing a pizza restaurant a response that is okay in your opinion?

Israel can stop its war any time it wants.

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

Now this is a very vivid case of selective application of International Law.

“Conquer the world”.

Brought to you by the Cult that can’t pay their electric bill.

Of course, though, not everyone is quite so sanguine about the prospects of a revival of the wholesome medieval Islamic values of sharia, gee-had, and... holy mass murder for Allah.
Al-Aqsa Mosque Address by Sheikh Muhammad Ayed: It Is Time to Announce Caliphate, Liberate Jerusalem, Set out for Rome and the White House, Conquer the World

(COMMENT)

I think I have heard every pro-Arab Palestinian complain about the double stand and raise the issue as to why the restrictions on Arab Palestinian travel across into Israel are still in force and may even get more restrictive.

The Arab Palestinians know damn well that the incitement of Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence is a direct violation of International Law.

◈ Article 19(3) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (“ICCPR”).
◈ Article 4(a) of the International Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (“ICERD”),
◈ Article 1a S/RES/1624 (2005) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts.
◈ Article 2 UN Charter on Threats to Use Force - Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threats to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; (Amplified by A/RES/2/110)​

These include respect for the rights of others, public order, prohibition of abuse of rights, or national security.


Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is the aggressor. The Palestinians are merely responding.-

Is bombing a pizza restaurant a response that is okay in your opinion?

Israel can stop its war any time it wants.

What war? That’s another of the slogans you litter various threads with but you’re never able to support the claim.

Link?

 

[Hollie]

 

[rylah]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ Hollie, et al,

Now this is a very vivid case of selective application of International Law.

“Conquer the world”.

Brought to you by the Cult that can’t pay their electric bill.

Of course, though, not everyone is quite so sanguine about the prospects of a revival of the wholesome medieval Islamic values of sharia, gee-had, and... holy mass murder for Allah.
Al-Aqsa Mosque Address by Sheikh Muhammad Ayed: It Is Time to Announce Caliphate, Liberate Jerusalem, Set out for Rome and the White House, Conquer the World

(COMMENT)

I think I have heard every pro-Arab Palestinian complain about the double stand and raise the issue as to why the restrictions on Arab Palestinian travel across into Israel are still in force and may even get more restrictive.

The Arab Palestinians know damn well that the incitement of Jihadism, Fedayeen Activism, Hostile Insurgency Operations, Radicalized Islamic Behaviors, and Asymmetric Violence is a direct violation of International Law.

◈ Article 19(3) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (“ICCPR”).
◈ Article 4(a) of the International Convention on Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (“ICERD”),
◈ Article 1a S/RES/1624 (2005) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts.
◈ Article 2 UN Charter on Threats to Use Force - Condemns all forms of propaganda, in whatsoever country conducted, which is either designed or likely to provoke or encourage and threats to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression; (Amplified by A/RES/2/110)​

These include respect for the rights of others, public order, prohibition of abuse of rights, or national security.


Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is the aggressor. The Palestinians are merely responding.-

Stupid mantra.
If you were for a just cause, why the need to lie so boldly?

Arab pogroms against Jews happened all around the Caliphate,
they expelled all the Jews from their holy cities, before any Israeli ever shot a bullet.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You say this quite frequently, but the act of aggression, as it is defined, was first taken by the Arab League on (they claim) the behalf of the Arb Palestinians.

UNIPAL DOCUMENTS BY YEAR Press Release PAL/167 16 May 1948: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."

"The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression"...​

Israel can stop its war any time it wants.

(COMMENT)

Prepared Open Statement by: Jamal Husseini, of the Arab Higher Committee (AHC): (EXCERPT)

In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status.​

The AHC previously stated that: "determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country." (16 FEB 1948) This concept was again reiterated in 1968 when the PLO stated: " Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. This is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase."

Article 5(1) - A/RES/29/3314 Definition of Aggression: No consideration of whatever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for aggression. And in 1988, the Arab Palestinians again restated that: "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."

There is no question that the Arab Palestinians left their territorial integrity in force - entering another venue, not their own, to archive some unjustified objective. The Arab League was the "Aggressor" at the outbreak of hostilities in 1948 and 2013 emphasized that: "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine."

But what really counts is what is happening TODAY!

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has issued a call-to-arms for a new Intifada against Israel. The president himself is on tour, drumming up support from Arab and Muslim nations around the world to support the Palestinians and their Intifada against Israel and the United States and Western countries around the world.
SOURCE: Sunday March 01, 2020 SOURCE: NEWSMAX by Micah Halpern

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

UNIPAL DOCUMENTS BY YEAR Press Release PAL/167 16 May 1948: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."

"The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression"...

we were compelled to enter Palestine​

Enter Palestine not Israel. Nobody attacked "Israel."

protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."​

Protecting unarmed Arabs is not aggression it is defense.

How can you read that so wrong? Then, again, you base your conclusions on false premise.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status.

Protecting the Palestinians right to territorial integrity is not aggression it is defense.

 

[Hollie]

Protecting the Palestinians right to territorial integrity is not aggression it is defense.

Arab-Moslems massing at the IsraelI border attempting to “rip the hearts out of Jews” is “defense”?

Link?

 

[toastman]

UNIPAL DOCUMENTS BY YEAR Press Release PAL/167 16 May 1948: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."

"The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression"...

we were compelled to enter Palestine​

Enter Palestine not Israel. Nobody attacked "Israel."

protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."​

Protecting unarmed Arabs is not aggression it is defense.

How can you read that so wrong? Then, again, you base your conclusions on false premise.

I ask you for the hundredth time Tinmore, how are the Palestinians ‘protecting unarmed Arabs’? Please bring up specific events .

 

[toastman]

In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status.

Protecting the Palestinians right to territorial integrity is not aggression it is defense.

In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status.

Protecting the Palestinians right to territorial integrity is not aggression it is defense.

Link to Specific events of Palestinians defending themselves ???

 

[rylah]

In its statement to the Ad Hoc Committee on the 29th of September, our Delegation left no doubt on the Arab reactions: “The Arabs of Palestine are, therefore, solidly determined to oppose, with all the means at their disposal, any scheme that provides for the dissection, segregation or partition of their tiny Country, or that gives to a minority, on the ground of creed, special and preferential rights or status.

Protecting the Palestinians right to territorial integrity is not aggression it is defense.

Who said "Palestinian territorial integrity" has anything to do with
exclusive Arab domination of the middle east?

 

[Sixties Fan]

More bogus claims of "settlers" cutting down Palestinian trees - on Shabbat ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

UNIPAL DOCUMENTS BY YEAR Press Release PAL/167 16 May 1948: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."

"The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression"...

we were compelled to enter Palestine​

Enter Palestine not Israel. Nobody attacked "Israel."

protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."​

Protecting unarmed Arabs is not aggression it is defense.

How can you read that so wrong? Then, again, you base your conclusions on false premise.

we were compelled to enter Palestine

Enter Palestine not Israel. Nobody attacked "Israel."

They entered the country of Palestine?

Protecting unarmed Arabs is not aggression it is defense.

Is bombing a pizza restaurant defense?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

UNIPAL DOCUMENTS BY YEAR Press Release PAL/167 16 May 1948: "we were compelled to enter Palestine to protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."

"The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression"...

we were compelled to enter Palestine​

Enter Palestine not Israel. Nobody attacked "Israel."

protect unarmed Arabs against massacres similar to those of Deir Yasin."​

Protecting unarmed Arabs is not aggression it is defense.

How can you read that so wrong? Then, again, you base your conclusions on false premise.

This press release is dated May 16, 1948. Israel declared independence two days prior to that, on May 14, 1948. Therefore the territory that the Arab armies invaded was no longer Palestine, but Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ et al,

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

This press release is dated May 16, 1948. Israel declared independence two days prior to that, on May 14, 1948. Therefore the territory that the Arab armies invaded was no longer Palestine, but Israel.

(COMMENT)

IF the Arab League Forces crossed into the Legal Entity (outside their sovereignty, THEN they committed an Act of Aggression - for which there is NO Justification.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I should have known!

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?

(COMMENT)

◈ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity = • A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 •

→ legal meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”
→ it will still not be a sovereign state
→ it will not be immediately self-governing
→ authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
​

◈ Article 77 Chapter XII: International Trusteeship System UN Charter

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed there under by means of trusteeship agreements:

Chapter XII
a. territories now held under mandate;
→ • T/P.V.33,T/PV.33 1 December 1947 • “I have the honour to draw your attention to the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 29 November 1947 concerning the future government of Palestine, in which it is requested that ‘the Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan.’ "The motion was carried by nine votes to one."
​

→ • PAL/169 17 May 1948 • In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
→ Self-Determination • S/747 16 May 1948 • National Council for the Jewish State - "adopts resolution for the establishment of independent Jewish State"

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05/17/1948 S/747 Palestine question - Cablegram from Israel to the SecGen/Corr. 1948/05/17 •

05/17/1948 PAL/169 Palestine question - Palestine Commission adjourns sine die •
​

If (IF anyone sees that) I forgot something, or - there is something you don't understand, please please let me know. I tried not to do a long explanation. Pretty much "Link" and "Title/Purpose."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I should have known!

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?

(COMMENT)

◈ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity = • A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 •

→ legal meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”
→ it will still not be a sovereign state
→ it will not be immediately self-governing
→ authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
​

◈ Article 77 Chapter XII: International Trusteeship System UN Charter

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed there under by means of trusteeship agreements:

Chapter XII
a. territories now held under mandate;
→ • T/P.V.33,T/PV.33 1 December 1947 • “I have the honour to draw your attention to the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 29 November 1947 concerning the future government of Palestine, in which it is requested that ‘the Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan.’ "The motion was carried by nine votes to one."
​

→ • PAL/169 17 May 1948 • In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
→ Self-Determination • S/747 16 May 1948 • National Council for the Jewish State - "adopts resolution for the establishment of independent Jewish State"

₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪​

05/17/1948 S/747 Palestine question - Cablegram from Israel to the SecGen/Corr. 1948/05/17 •

05/17/1948 PAL/169 Palestine question - Palestine Commission adjourns sine die •​

If (IF anyone sees that) I forgot something, or - there is something you don't understand, please please let me know. I tried not to do a long explanation. Pretty much "Link" and "Title/Purpose."

Most Respectfully,
R

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?
You are ducking my post.

 

[toastman]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I should have known!

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?

(COMMENT)

◈ After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity = • A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 •

→ legal meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”
→ it will still not be a sovereign state
→ it will not be immediately self-governing
→ authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.
​

◈ Article 77 Chapter XII: International Trusteeship System UN Charter

1. The trusteeship system shall apply to such territories in the following categories as may be placed there under by means of trusteeship agreements:

Chapter XII
a. territories now held under mandate;
→ • T/P.V.33,T/PV.33 1 December 1947 • “I have the honour to draw your attention to the Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 29 November 1947 concerning the future government of Palestine, in which it is requested that ‘the Trusteeship Council be informed of the responsibilities envisaged for it in this plan.’ "The motion was carried by nine votes to one."
​

→ • PAL/169 17 May 1948 • In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."
→ Self-Determination • S/747 16 May 1948 • National Council for the Jewish State - "adopts resolution for the establishment of independent Jewish State"

₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪₪​

05/17/1948 S/747 Palestine question - Cablegram from Israel to the SecGen/Corr. 1948/05/17 •

05/17/1948 PAL/169 Palestine question - Palestine Commission adjourns sine die •​

If (IF anyone sees that) I forgot something, or - there is something you don't understand, please please let me know. I tried not to do a long explanation. Pretty much "Link" and "Title/Purpose."

Most Respectfully,
R

The key is that after 15 May, the legal entity had two shapes to it. That which was initially Israel, and that which was declined Arabs and became Article 77 Trustee Territory.

Links?
You are ducking my post.

The blue writing are links.

Also, YOU are the one who has been ducking my posts.

 

[toastman]

Tinmore needs a link that shows Israel is what it was called after May 1948

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Tinmore needs a link that shows Israel is what it was called after May 1948

The link said "independent Jewish state." I guess he doesn't know that means Israel.