Who are the Israelis?

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: MORE DISINFORMATION → I'm not sure this is true at all. And I saw the confusion by the International Criminal Court (Trial Chamber).

Oslo expired.

(Palestine Observations)

On 26 May 2020, the Chamber noted that “President Abbas declared inter alias that ‘the Palestine Liberation Organization and the State of Palestine are absolved, as of today, of all the agreements and understandings with the American and Israeli governments and of all the commitments based on these understandings and agreements, including the security ones’”. The Chamber “request[ed] Palestine to provide additional information on this statement, including the question whether it pertains to any of the Oslo agreements between Palestine and Israel, by no later than 10 June 2020”. It also ordered the Prosecutor and invited Israel to submit a response by no later than 24 June 2020.

(EXCERPT: The State of Palestine’s response to the Pre-Trial Chamber’s Order requesting additional information)

Substantively, the Statement declares that if Israel proceeds with annexation, a material breach of the agreements between the two sides, then it will have annulled any remnants of the Oslo Accords and all other agreements concluded between them. It also declares that Israel’s persistent violations of these agreements, and its announced plans and measures for annexation, absolve the Palestine Liberation Organization (‘PLO’) and the State of Palestine from any obligation arising from these agreements, including security agreements.

(COMMENT)

This does not sound like, to me, that either the ICC or the Palestinians consider the Oslo Accords "expired." And this leaves the door open for adjudication on the issue of "settlements." Given that all settlements" are Area "C" locations. Given that the Israelis have full civil and security control within Area "C."

(IMPRESSION)

My impression was that the Israeli threat to annex these certain areas were made to rattle the cage.


Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the links. They are a good read.

4.On 5 June 2020, Palestine provided its observations.6It explained that the Statement was made in response to Israel’s declared plan to annex “Palestinian territory under Israeli occupation”,7noting that“the Statement declares that if Israel proceeds with annexation, a material breach of the agreements between the two sides, then it will have annulled any remnantsof the Oslo Accords and all other agreements concluded between them”, stating this has the effect of “absolv[ing] the Palestine Liberation Organization (‘PLO’) and the State of Palestine from any obligation arising from these agreements, including security agreements”.85.The Prosecution does not consider that the Statement has a bearing on the status of Palestine as a State Party to the Rome Statute and on the exercise of the Court’s jurisdiction in the situation in Palestine. The Prosecution has already explained its understanding of the Oslo Accords and its position that the Oslo Accords do not bar the exercise of the Court’s jurisdiction in Palestine.9The Prosecution’s position remains the same.

 

[rylah]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians?
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: MORE DISINFORMATION → I'm not sure this is true at all. And I saw the confusion by the International Criminal Court (Trial Chamber).

Oslo expired.

(Palestine Observations)

On 26 May 2020, the Chamber noted that “President Abbas declared inter alias that ‘the Palestine Liberation Organization and the State of Palestine are absolved, as of today, of all the agreements and understandings with the American and Israeli governments and of all the commitments based on these understandings and agreements, including the security ones’”. The Chamber “request[ed] Palestine to provide additional information on this statement, including the question whether it pertains to any of the Oslo agreements between Palestine and Israel, by no later than 10 June 2020”. It also ordered the Prosecutor and invited Israel to submit a response by no later than 24 June 2020.

(EXCERPT: The State of Palestine’s response to the Pre-Trial Chamber’s Order requesting additional information)

Substantively, the Statement declares that if Israel proceeds with annexation, a material breach of the agreements between the two sides, then it will have annulled any remnants of the Oslo Accords and all other agreements concluded between them. It also declares that Israel’s persistent violations of these agreements, and its announced plans and measures for annexation, absolve the Palestine Liberation Organization (‘PLO’) and the State of Palestine from any obligation arising from these agreements, including security agreements.

(COMMENT)

This does not sound like, to me, that either the ICC or the Palestinians consider the Oslo Accords "expired." And this leaves the door open for adjudication on the issue of "settlements." Given that all settlements" are Area "C" locations. Given that the Israelis have full civil and security control within Area "C."

(IMPRESSION)

My impression was that the Israeli threat to annex these certain areas were made to rattle the cage.


Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for the links. They are a good read.

4.On 5 June 2020, Palestine provided its observations.6It explained that the Statement was made in response to Israel’s declared plan to annex “Palestinian territory under Israeli occupation”,7noting that“the Statement declares that if Israel proceeds with annexation, a material breach of the agreements between the two sides, then it will have annulled any remnantsof the Oslo Accords and all other agreements concluded between them”, stating this has the effect of “absolv[ing] the Palestine Liberation Organization (‘PLO’) and the State of Palestine from any obligation arising from these agreements, including security agreements”.85.The Prosecution does not consider that the Statement has a bearing on the status of Palestine as a State Party to the Rome Statute and on the exercise of the Court’s jurisdiction in the situation in Palestine. The Prosecution has already explained its understanding of the Oslo Accords and its position that the Oslo Accords do not bar the exercise of the Court’s jurisdiction in Palestine.9The Prosecution’s position remains the same.

This is all hot air.

Between the river and the sea - all jurisdiction is subject of Israel's sovereign approval.
That court has no jurisdiction, nor set mechanism to actually excercise anything.

As much as the Qatari oligarchs supplying funds to Gaza,
subject to Israel's and Egypt's sovereign approval.

But they can sign something
and try knock at the door...

 

[rylah]

Israel Launches Plans for Construction of 1,257 Units in Jerusalem’s Givat HaMatos

A view of Jerusalem from Givat HaMatos, a mostly empty section of land in southern Jerusalem. Peace Now wants this part of Jerusalem handed over to a "Palestinian State".
Israel plans to use it to build housing for Jews and Arabs.

The Ministry of Housing and the Israel Land Authority on Sunday opened the tender for the construction of 1,257 housing units to be built in Givat HaMatos, an underdeveloped neighborhood in southern Jerusalem.

Ethiopian and Russian immigrants have been living in Givat Hamatos since 1991, which is situated right off of Jerusalem’s Derech Hebron road, in the area between Har Homa, Talpiot, and Gilo.

Sunday’s announcement is the latest development in the plans for the area since February 2020, when the tender was published for 1,077 units out of the 2,610 units for Givat HaMatos. Another 180 units were now added to the tender.

The announcement means that contractors can submit their proposals to win the right to build the units in Givat Hamatos. The final day for submitting the proposals is January 18th, 2021, three days before Joe Biden is slated to be sworn into office.

Israel Launches Plans for Construction of 1,257 Units in Jerusalem’s Givat HaMatos

The Ministry of Housing and the Israel Land Authority on Sunday opened the tender, a bidding process for the construction of 1,257 housing units to be built in Givat HaMatos, an underdeveloped neighbo

www.jewishpress.com

 

[rylah]

En Afek Nature Reserve on a Perfect November Morning

The En Afek Nature Reserve near Kiryat Bialik, north of Haifa, preserves swampland and waterway sources which have been lost in many other locations in Israel, the victims of modern agriculture, industry, and housing. Along the swamp pathway in the Reserve, visitors stroll on a wooden bridge over the swamp, surrounded by rich riverbank vegetation and colorful waterfowl.

En Afek Nature Reserve on a Perfect November Morning

On this Friday morning, a camera crew assembled to shoot a mysterious sequence under the magical light of the new sun.

www.jewishpress.com

 

[rylah]

Yishay Ribo - Yitzhak and Rivkah

Based on the previous week's Torah portion 'Chayei Sarah':

"The servant stood in prayer, his heart directed upwards,
And so he asked in tears, please do favor with me,
And I will find a wife for my master's son

Not yet finished his words, and behold,
Rivkah, with her jar on her shoulder went out towards the well
And Eli'ezer will run towards her, seeing that the water, they came up to her aid
Not yet able to ponder, and behold, Rivkah takes down her jar
And gave him to drink, and hurried
And poured from her jar to the trough
Therefore he saw from heavens, the woman of kindness

The servant stood amazed,
And bowed down to HaShem,
For He suceeded in his way,
And didn't leave His kindness and His truth
From the house of his master

And since then till today, forty days,
Before the birth of the infant,
Out comes a divine voice, without a voice, in dance,
And announces the mating, of each and every person

Like the spring of Avraham and Sarah,
Like the well of Yitzhak and Rivkah..."

 

[Mindful]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Jews interact with Arab-Moslem.

 

[rylah]

Israeli astronaut to be launched into space in 2021 mission

Israel announces Eytan Stibbe will be second Israeli astronaut in space, in mission to International Space Station

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Mindful]

Many accuse Israel of Judaizing place names in the modern State of Israel. In fact, if you search Google Scholar for academic papers using the search term “Judaization Project” you will get 136 items for 2020 alone (correct for 17 Nov). These accusations are part of a campaign to promote a supposed “historic Palestine” as if there ever was such a place and as if the current Arab Palestinians are indigenous to it.
What is happening, in fact, is that Israel is calling places by the ancient Israelite names by which they were known before the Arab colonialists came and Arabized them; in other words, Israel cannot “Judaize” place names in the country, but she can and should de-Arabize them, restoring the original Hebrew.

Naming places is a common ploy of colonialists, an act not dissimilar in purpose from the way dogs urinate on bushes and posts – to stake out the limits of the territory they claim, in the case of colonialists, for their “motherland” or “fatherland”.

Michal Eshed Takes on Arab Lies about Indigeneity in Israel | Israel Diaries

A map that shows how Arab colonial settlements sit over ancient Jewish ones. So who is the occupier now?

www.israeldiaries.com

 

[Mindful]

 

[Rigby5]

View attachment 417998

Nonsense.
Why do you think we fought in WWII, if not mostly to liberate Jews from concentration camps?
And where do you think the millions of Jews who went to Israel came from, if not from camps liberated by the US and other Allied forces?

Israel has no "internal affairs" because Israel was totally and completely created artificially by the UN and US, so therefore is legally required to follow the mandates established by the UN and US.
Otherwise Israel ceases to exist as a legal entity.

 

[Rigby5]

Many accuse Israel of Judaizing place names in the modern State of Israel. In fact, if you search Google Scholar for academic papers using the search term “Judaization Project” you will get 136 items for 2020 alone (correct for 17 Nov). These accusations are part of a campaign to promote a supposed “historic Palestine” as if there ever was such a place and as if the current Arab Palestinians are indigenous to it.
What is happening, in fact, is that Israel is calling places by the ancient Israelite names by which they were known before the Arab colonialists came and Arabized them; in other words, Israel cannot “Judaize” place names in the country, but she can and should de-Arabize them, restoring the original Hebrew.

Naming places is a common ploy of colonialists, an act not dissimilar in purpose from the way dogs urinate on bushes and posts – to stake out the limits of the territory they claim, in the case of colonialists, for their “motherland” or “fatherland”.

Michal Eshed Takes on Arab Lies about Indigeneity in Israel | Israel Diaries

A map that shows how Arab colonial settlements sit over ancient Jewish ones. So who is the occupier now?

www.israeldiaries.com

Wrong.
Philestia is recorded going back over a thousand years before the Hebrew invasion of the Land of Canaan, and was always used to reference Gaza.

There is no original Hebrew names because Hebrew were illiterate until around 100 BC, and the Hebrew used the Arab Ameraic for writing and speaking, except when in the temple.

Jews did not name places like Jerusalem, but instead adopted the word Jewish instead of Hebrew, from the long pre-existing city of Jerusalem they took as their capital.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

View attachment 417998

Nonsense.
Why do you think we fought in WWII, if not mostly to liberate Jews from concentration camps?
And where do you think the millions of Jews who went to Israel came from, if not from camps liberated by the US and other Allied forces?

Israel has no "internal affairs" because Israel was totally and completely created artificially by the UN and US, so therefore is legally required to follow the mandates established by the UN and US.
Otherwise Israel ceases to exist as a legal entity.

Why do you think we fought in WWII,

Japan attacked us. Germany declared war on us.

Israel was totally and completely created artificially by the UN and US,

How is that different than any other nation carved out of the old Ottoman Empire?

so therefore is legally required to follow the mandates established by the UN and US.

Link?

 

[rylah]

Weekly Torah Portion - The Shared Power of Circumcision & The Land (Toldot 2020)

 

[Hollie]

 

[Mindful]

Back in August we noted that, not for the first time, an attack across Israel’s border with Syria was not considered newsworthy by the BBC until Israel responded.

The practice was repeated when, on November 17th, explosive devices were found inside Israeli territory in the south Golan Heights. The first BBC audiences heard of that incident was over 24 hours later when, on November 18th, the BBC News website published a report headlined “Israel strikes ‘Iranian military sites’ in Syria after bombs found in Golan” and illustrated with a photograph from 2019 which does not reflect the location of the story.

Like that headline, the report began by telling readers what happened last in the chain of events:

“Israel’s military says it launched air strikes against Iranian and Syrian military targets in Syria overnight, after explosive devices were found in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.”

Along with information about the incident provided to reporters by the IDF Spokesman, the report promotes claims from the Syrian regime without any evidence of verification by the BBC.

To date the BBC has shown remarkably little interest in informing its audiences of the activities of Iran and its proxies and partners in the area adjoining Israel’s border with Syria.

BBC again waits for Israeli response before reporting Golan incident

Back in August we noted that, not for the first time, an attack across Israel’s border with Syria was not considered newsworthy by the BBC until Israel resp

camera-uk.org

 

[rylah]

Israel, EU Discuss Rail Link Between Mediterranean and Gulf States

Israel and the European Union have begun talks regarding the possibility of establishing a new rail link between the eastern Mediterranean and the Gulf states, Israel’s Finance Ministry and central bank said on Monday.

The possible “regional peace railway” was brought up in the context of annual discussions that this year also focused on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, reported Reuters. It would boost the economies of Israel, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states.

The Bank of Israel said the rail connection would be “shorter, faster, cheaper and safer” than currently used trade routes.

The idea follows the recent historic peace agreements between Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.

Israel, EU Discuss Rail Link Between Mediterranean and Gulf States

Such a link would be “shorter, faster, cheaper and safer” than currently used trade routes, says the Bank of Israel.

www.jewishpress.com

flacaltenn

 

[rylah]

Netanyahu secretly visited Saudi Arabia

Israeli Prime Minister and Mossad chief visited Saudi Arabia with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

www.israelnationalnews.com

When 'secret flights' aren't very secret – analysis

Netanyahu's flight to Saudi Arabia was easily trackable; so were two B-52 bombers which crossed Israel. Were they sending a message?

www.jpost.com

 

[rylah]

Neta Barzilay and Sarit Hadad's new single,
allover the radio here...
.