Where does evil come from?

[Avatar4321]

It comes from the lack of compassion expressed by those who rationalize letting others suffer.

And is suffering evil? That's the real question.

When I lift weights, I suffer the pain and strain it does to the muscles. But as i experience that suffering, my muscles break down and grow stronger.

Suffering is a part of mortal life. It's not something we could end or even should end completely. It causes people to grow. But we are called to help others through their periods of suffering. We are to be there for them. To alleviate where we can. To lift up the weary. To mourn with those who mourn and comfort those in need of comfort. We are called to feed the hungry and cloth the naked. Visit those in prison and provide a place to rest for those who need it.

We are called to do this so that all men know they are not alot. That they have others who are with them experiencing the same pain. It helps us encourage one another. But this will not happen if we are compelled to do anything. This will not happen if those recieving feel the are entitled to charity rather than acknowledging that it's a gift that was freely given. We cannot outsource our responsibilities to the government and claim to be charitable. It's impossible.

 

[uscitizen]

What drives a person to commit unspeakable acts of evil and depravity? We turned to forensic psychologist Stephen Diamond, author of the Evil Deeds blog on Psychology Today for the answer:

Typically it does involve some kind of trauma during childhood. Some kind of deprivation, some kind of neglect, some kind of abandonment. What we refer to psychoanalytically as severe narcissistic wounding, where the child’s basic needs for recognition of who they are and acceptance of who they are - and for love – are not met.

Where Does Evil Come From? : Discovery News

This guy doesn't believe there is a biological component. I've read some brain research that suggests there is. However, I do believe bonding, personality development, empathy, and whatnot are formed within the first three years of life.

Are ignorant, immature, self indulgent, parents creating monsters?

People raised under very bad circumstances - abuse, neglect, abandonment, isolation from society, and many other situations do not necessarily turn out to be evil. In fact, they can turn out to be very compassionate people. It's because of making good decisions early on - not to be like their abuser, not to inflict the same pain on others because they know first hand how badly it hurts.

Statistics show that abuse begets abuse.
Children of abusers grow up to be abusers.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Where Does Evil Come From? : Discovery News

This guy doesn't believe there is a biological component. I've read some brain research that suggests there is. However, I do believe bonding, personality development, empathy, and whatnot are formed within the first three years of life.

Are ignorant, immature, self indulgent, parents creating monsters?

People raised under very bad circumstances - abuse, neglect, abandonment, isolation from society, and many other situations do not necessarily turn out to be evil. In fact, they can turn out to be very compassionate people. It's because of making good decisions early on - not to be like their abuser, not to inflict the same pain on others because they know first hand how badly it hurts.

Statistics show that abuse begets abuse.
Children of abusers grow up to be abusers.

Children of abusers often grow up to be victims, not perpetrators. Abuse does not always beget abuse. Once again, an understanding of karma is needed.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

 

[CurveLight]

Fear.
Fear of not having enough:
love, sex, money, security, food, power...control. All bad acts come from a fear of some kind.

Fear is not the source of evil. All bad acts from people come from selfishness.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

What is Satan to you? Is it an entity outside oneself? In your view, does evil come from outside the self?

 

[Avatar4321]

And politics is in everything.

To suggest people are stupid or bad for wanting to help their fellow man is EVIL.

Now tell me which party has made a party tenent of trashing people for wanting to help their fellow man.

This is a political site by the way.

Charity transcends politics.

And you are misrepresenting the Republican position. We don't trash people for wanting help their fellow man. Quite the opposite. we encourage it vociferously. We want individuals to act for their fellow man. Because you can't take care of your fellow man by stealing from others. You can't help them by making their condition worse. You can't help just by throwing someone elses money at the problem and pretending that you are fixing it. It's just not reality.

Nor is it right to use that ill gotten money to make people dependent on you and get votes as our politicians also do. Corruption masquareding as compassion isn't charity or helpful. It's dishonest and a usurpation of the rights of individuals everywhere. It does a disservice to all mankind and creates unnecessary divisions among the people.

 

[Avatar4321]

Fear.
Fear of not having enough:
love, sex, money, security, food, power...control. All bad acts come from a fear of some kind.

Fear is not the source of evil. All bad acts from people come from selfishness.

Pride is the sin that leads to most others.

But Fear is the path of the Dark Side.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Fear.
Fear of not having enough:
love, sex, money, security, food, power...control. All bad acts come from a fear of some kind.

Fear is not the source of evil. All bad acts from people come from selfishness.

Good point. I also think evil comes from ignorance, not understanding what creates suffering and what alleviates suffering.

 

[Truthmatters]

lack of compassion for others.

There may be many reasons people have a lack of compassion for others.

It could be the wounding this man is talking about or the inborn brain chemistry and structure that causes someone to be unable to feel compassion for others.

Sociopaths can be created or born.

This is why it is so sick of many to malign people who want to help others with epitaths of "bleeding heart liberal" and the like.

We should all strive to help our fellow man becausse we are intrinsically tied together.


When you tell someone they are hurting people by helping people you harm society.

Why dont we all just abolish evil by helping each other and quit accepting political tag lines that try to convince people not to help each other.

Compassion is worthless if the people you are helping are worse off than they were to begin with. Compassion is also worthless if if doesn't motivate you to do anything. Just feeling for someone is useless. You need to act.An the right for decades now has trashed any and all attempts by the left to help people by pretending none of it works. If the right really wanted to HELP people they would not seek to make thosse who want to help feel like idiots and criminals. Tap into compassion instead of trying to make a crime out of trying to help people.

Charity, true charity, is to act in love for someone to lift them to a higher place. Charity doesn't just feel. It improves their conditionr. You can't outsource charity to the governmentThe government is the people. That is what our founders said remember? WE THE PEOPLE can choose to help our fellow man. When that childs belly that would have been empty is full they dont become less full becazuse the money was from the government. YOU dont want our government to help your fellow man. You want it left to unorganized efforts that want to preach to the hungry child that it was GOD eho filled their belly.. You can't force people to be charitable. It's an individual choice that requires personal action and interaction. It must come without compulsion or it isn't there.Force people to be charitable? You see how you feel about your fellow man? When we take tax dollars from a sociopath and give a child a warm bed that child is still in a warm bed. Sociopaths will never feel compassion but they sure can help with a dollar or two to help the complete human beings teach a child what compassion is even thought its too late for the sociopath.

I don't know why you think you can help someone by making things worse off for them and are somehow justified as being "compassionate." But that's not love. It's not honest. You are so blinded with partisanship that you don't see true compassion and charity when it's right in front of you. Charity isn't a partisan matter. Quite the contrary. People from all walks of life are charitable despite politics. And they do so without abusing government power and robbing from others to pretend they are charitable. They actually give of their time, talents, and money freely.

See your political take right there ? NO GOVERNMENT HELP IS GOOD.

You people are so hell bent on not allowing Americans to help each other you have lost all perspective.

There are many Americans alive today whpo would have been dead if not for goverment sponsered compassion.

YOU pretend it doesnt work and insult anyone who knows it does help.

You are doing just what I said you do.

Thanks for spreading your evil in this thread

 

[chanel]

Yes you are right. And in the case of Van der Sloot I imagine his father was over bearing,

And truth - this is not in the politics forum. Start your own thread on evil over there.

 

[CurveLight]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

Isn't it time you put away the childish scapegoat of satan "tempting" people?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

What is Satan to you? Is it an entity outside oneself? In your view, does evil come from outside the self?

Satan is a fallen Angel, he exists in a spirit form and rules the Earth. He has many spirit followers that were once Angels.

Evil starts with Satan BUT it requires the individual to accept the evil and to preform the evil. It comes from without and from within. One must CHOSE to do evil. Satan can not force anyone to act on his behalf. All he can do is mislead and beguile.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

Isn't it time you put away the childish scapegoat of satan "tempting" people?

Satan exists. Pretending otherwise helps no one BUT Satan.

 

[CurveLight]

Yes you are right. And in the case of Van der Sloot I imagine his father was over bearing,

And truth - this is not in the politics forum. Start your own thread on evil over there.

Your Majesty, which method do you prefer? To ask your permission in a PM or post our thoughts directly on to the thread and wait for you to tell us what we may keep and what must be deleted?

 

[Sky Dancer]

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

What is Satan to you? Is it an entity outside oneself? In your view, does evil come from outside the self?

Satan is a fallen Angel, he exists in a spirit form and rules the Earth. He has many spirit followers that were once Angels.

Evil starts with Satan BUT it requires the individual to accept the evil and to preform the evil. It comes from without and from within. One must CHOSE to do evil. Satan can not force anyone to act on his behalf. All he can do is mislead and beguile.

Thanks for your answer. It sounds like you think evil is external to human beings in the form of a spirit or ghost or fallen angel with the name Satan. I disagree. I think Judeo-Christianity creates Satan to explain a mental state that causes harm to self and others.

 

[Truthmatters]

Yes you are right. And in the case of Van der Sloot I imagine his father was over bearing,

And truth - this is not in the politics forum. Start your own thread on evil over there.

Everything is tied to politics and the people who insist its not are the ones who try and say Government of , for and by the people is evil and can not help its fellow man.

So if govenment is evil in you peoples minds then politics is at the heart of your question huh?

 

[uscitizen]

Evil comes from the basic human emotions we are born with. Greed and fear.
We have to learn the good stuff.

Or you can just blame it on the debbil and avoid personal responsibility.

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

I understand. Faith requires NOT understanding.

 

[Avatar4321]

Self government is hardly no government.

Compulsion is not compassion. Nor is it good. It's quite evil.

The means are just as important as the ends.

Evil wins when good men do nothing, or expect their government to take responsible for any good they won't do for themselves.

 

[CurveLight]

Acknowledging that Satan is the root of all evil does not somehow alleviate one of personal responsibility. We have free choice. WE chose to act in evil ways or we chose not to. Evil is not somehow a release from responsibility because one knows that Satan brought such into the world.

When Satan tempts us it is completely our responsibility if we succumb to his temptations.

Perhaps if you and others actually knew what you were bashing you might understand simple concepts like this.

Isn't it time you put away the childish scapegoat of satan "tempting" people?

Satan exists. Pretending otherwise helps no one BUT Satan.

I didn't say he didn't exist. Once again:

Isn't it time you put away the childish scapegoat of satan "tempting" people?