What the US can learn from New Zealand political discourse

[martybegan]

Meh, possibly. Is it hate speech? Dunno. Seen people in the US arrested for similar.

Much less frequently.

 

[martybegan]

Bolded the important part.

That's your choice, if you want to be a subject, be a subject.

 

[zaangalewa]

Violence continually goes up in Germany as you become a less homogenous society.

A prejudice. If a migrant is envolved in a crime it exist more reports - that's all.

Your spouting off

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about Germany without honest comparing similarities and acknowledging differences with the US is pretty meaningless.

The difference between idiots and idiots is nowhere in the world a big difference.

I've spent a lot of time living and working in Europe, including Germany. If the only difference you see is guns then you really don't know much about it. And those other things clearly affect gun attitudes and realities.

Do you have any meaningful content on the subject you're you're just going to say Germany ... ???

Counterquestion: Do you use drugs? If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom.

 

[kaz]

Aha.


Sure they do. They made a law to do so - so they do so. You think people who make laws make this laws agaist the will of the people - and I think normal is it to make laws with the will of the people. We call this "democracy". So it will happen it exist many New Zealanders who love it that their war guns - and all other war guns - are confiscated. And some will hate this. Depends what they think and how this law is made. I heard they got even money for their weapons. Generous.

In Germany we had some longer years ago a confiscation of weapons of a special type - I don't remember it now exactly. Was not very important. The people brought their weapons to the police and they were destroyed. This was for 1 or 2 (or were it some more years?) possible without any problem. But after some time it became a crime to own such a gun any longer. And who is not respecting our gun laws is in an extremely bad position.



All Germans are democrats - and no German is a Democrat. All Germans are republicans - but no German is a Republican. Okay - some Germans are also for dictatorships or kingdoms and other forms of governmental systems as for example anarchy - but the political party "Democrats" and the political party "Republicans" opf the USA are for sure not the belly button of the world. There are mich more than only 2 colors in the world of politics.



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Most Germans don't get on US message boards and endlessly argue for the Democrat party

 

[kaz]

A prejudice. If a migrant is envolved in a crime it exist more reports - that's all.



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The difference between idiots and idiots is nowhere in the world a big difference.



Counterquestion: Do you use drugs? If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom.

That's just stupid. Homogeneous societies mean that people have the same values and there is less conflict and violence. When West European countries were more homogenous there wasn't a gun culture. There was less violence. Your endless race whoring isn't an insight to anything. The race baiting from you moron Democrats is tired. As is your extreme lack of knowledge or perspective. Everything no matter how obvious needs to be endlessly explained to you.

I was in the Amsterdam Hilton watching the day there were like 5 simultaneous attacks in Paris. A couple years later I visited my daughter in Paris and spent a week walking the city. Funny since there's no violence over there how Paris got shot up. And when I was in Paris, I didn't see a single cop on the street not wearing a bullet proof vest. There were cops with automatic weapons walking around openly.

Funny since you say there's no gun violence over there, huh?

 

[kaz]

Counterquestion: Do you use drugs? If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom.

I have a legal medical marijuana card. I don't buy illegal drugs. I assume since you are talking about guns you are referring to illegal ones



"If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom"

I have no idea what that says. Is it Germanglish?

 

[kaz]

The difference between idiots and idiots is nowhere in the world a big difference

If you think there is no difference between New Zealand and the US or even Germany and the US, you are an idiot.

I have a gun collection. I like guns, I like history and have many historical guns, I like shooting, like skeet. I used to hunt when I was younger, now not so much. I don't really use guns for self defense. At least I haven't. Though that could change since Democrats are making this country very unsafe. Nice job on that.

And I don't need to get your German ass's permission because you don't think I need them

 

[zaangalewa]

Most Germans don't get on US message boards and endlessly argue for the Democrat party

I have absolutelly nothing to do with the Democratic party of the USA.

 

[kaz]

I have absolutelly nothing to do with the Democratic party of the USA.

You mean other than advocating them and all their positions.

And when you can figure out how taking guns from law abiding citizens reduces crime and you can explain why the data doesn't back up your gun grabbing programs, let me know.

But again being actually in Amsterdam watching Paris get shot up where you say there isn't gun violence in Europe was quite the experience that I will always remember. Funny how taking guns from honest citizens didn't stop that

 

[zaangalewa]

That's just stupid. Homogeneous societies mean that people have the same values and there is less conflict and violence.

A prejudice. It exists always a "too much" and a "too less". People are becoermeon more xenophobiv in average of too less or to much migrants live uner them. TheUSA was by thw a nev so vieoent as itis today - since your are a much more homogenous society than you ever had been in history. Your are a nation of migrants reacting extremelöy aversive on new migrants.

When West European countries were more homogenous there wasn't a gun culture.

Gun cuioute? In Europe? What do you think about in this context?

There was less violence.

When?

Your endless race whoring isn't an insight to anything.

I live in Germany. You not.

The race baiting from you moron Democrats is tired.

Your cliches "political party 'The Democrats' of the USA" has nothing to do with me!

As is your extreme lack of knowledge or perspective. Everything no matter how obvious needs to be endlessly explained to you.

I was in the Amsterdam Hilton watching the day there were like 5 simultaneous attacks in Paris.

November 13th 2015. 5 terror attacks in the center of Paris + 3 terror-attacks in the suburb Saint-Denis not far from the other 5 attacks. All the attacks had happened with about 1/2 hour in different places. 130 killed people, 683 wounded people - 97 of them were heavily wounded.

The same year we had in Germany about 2 million refugees and migrants. 1 million from inside of the EU and 1 million from outside of the EU. Was a hard year.

 

[zaangalewa]

... A couple years later I visited my daughter in Paris and spent a week walking the city. Funny since there's no violence over there how Paris got shot up. And when I was in Paris, I didn't see a single cop on the street not wearing a bullet proof vest. There were cops with automatic weapons walking around openly.

Funny since you say there's no gun violence over there, huh?

Kaz - you are an evilwilling idiot. Someone has to tell you this. I never spoke about the use of weapons in the hands of professionals. Everything what I said was about the private use of weapons.

How help what kind of weapons your daughter in Paris in case of a terror attack? What is she doing there? Living a totally normal and interesting life, peacefully, I guess. And this without any weapon, isn't it? That you need French professionals (working together with other professionals in the world), who protect the people in Paris - specially for you your daughter - is totally clear to me.

 

[kaz]

Kaz - you are an evilwilling idiot. Someone has to tell you this. I never spoke about the use of weapons in the hands of professionals. Everything what I said was about the private use of weapons.

How help what kind of weapons your daughter in Paris in case of a terror attack? What is she doing there? Living a totally normal and interesting life, peacefully, I guess. And this without any weapon, isn't it? That you need French professionals (workng together with other professiinals in the world), who protect the people in Paris - specially for you your daughter - is totally clear to me.

You're just drowning in partisan Democrat rhetoric. Pass

 

[zaangalewa]

I have a legal medical marijuana card.

A legal drug addict. Okay.

I don't buy illegal drugs. I assume since you are talking about guns you are referring to illegal ones



"If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom"

I have no idea what that says. Is it Germanglish?

In don't speak English. I always speak German - sounds in your ears perhaps like "Yoda".
Try this form to understand: "If someone carries a weapon in the hands then freedom ends."

 

[Staidhup]

There is nothing as corrosive and damaging to the American political discourse as the right wing alternative facts machine.

“When you look at the numbers, New Zealanders have essentially been satisfied with their government since 1999,” said Stephen Mills, the head of UMR, Labour’s polling firm. That period had spanned two Labour and two centre-right National prime ministers – including Ardern – all of whom had led fairly moderate governments.

“A huge reason that our politics is not so extremely polarised and so far out there is because we no longer have Murdoch-owned press in New Zealand, and it’s never taken a foothold,” said David Cormack, the co-founder of a public relations firm and a former head of policy and communications for the left-leaning Green party.

Why New Zealand rejected populist ideas other nations have embraced

You of course are aware that NZ went through decades of socialist reformists running the country into the ground? That all products were required to be assembled in NZ by union works at the expense of ones standard of living? For what, labor union jobs! That subsidies, handouts, entitlements, and government mandates literally destroyed the economy and crippled the country with taxes and national debt for decades? NZ recovered by turning their back on the grand post war socialist experiment riddled with cronyism.

 

[zaangalewa]

You're just drowning in partisan Democrat rhetoric. Pass

... Hmmm ... Okay ... Are you able to replace your medical marijuana with something else? Perhaps this helps you to get more clear thoughts. You learned to answer every problem with the sentence "Die Gurke is eine länglich grüne Frucht. Sie besteht zu 90% aus Wasser" (The cucumber is a longish green fruit. She contains 90% water), because this the only thing you know. But this answer not helps to solve any problem.

 

[kaz]

A legal drug addict. Okay.



In don't speak English. I always speak German - sounds in your ears perhaps like "Yoda".
Try this form to understand: "If someone carries a weapon in the hands then freedom ends."

I am on over 10 prescription medications for a whole bunch of serious medical issues. I'm a legal drug addict in that I'm addicted to being alive. You don't have that addiction? I'll let you pass on getting medical treatment. I didn't smoke pot for 40 years after high school, but pot is by far the best way to deal with the symptoms with the fewest side effects. Mostly your response was yet again you just being a dick.

And I got your argument. Germany = the US. You don't need guns so we don't. You ignore rising violence and that after gun confiscation actual crime goes up. Convince you you're wrong.

My answer, pass. And again my experience being in Amsterdam while Paris was shot up then being in Paris and all the cops were wearing bullet proof vests is something you won't address because it doesn't work for your argument.

I did like your stupid response whiffing on my point that cops were openly carrying automatic weapons. My point was obviously that cops wearing bullet proof vests and carrying automatic weapons are actually worried about guns. You were all duh, dar, cops can carry guns. Leftists are not smart. You can't be with that stupid ideology, can you?

 

[kaz]

... Hmmm ... Okay ... Are you able to replace your medical marijuana with something else? Perhaps this helps you to get more clear thoughts. You learned to answer every problem with the sentence "Die Gurke is eine länglich grüne Frucht. Sie besteht zu 90% aus Wasser" (The cucumber is a longish green fruit. She contains 90% water), because this the only thing you know. But this answer not helps to solve any problem.

I don't smoke until after dinner and then just when I need it. Despite all my physical problems, I'm still working full time. I'm not a leftist who wants a free ride, I'll work as long as I can.

So you're a big Christian bigot, huh? Pot is worse than death even if it's the best way to deal with the symptoms of all my medical problems and also the side effects of the other medications. I'll file that under what it's worth, then flush.

And you seem to be the one who needs to clear up your thoughts, you're a terrible reader, a terrible writer and you can't coherently follow a point. My favorite being your totally whiffing on that cops who wear bullet proof vests and carry automatic weapons are worried about guns. Sailed right over your empty head. Incredible

 

[kaz]

Counterquestion: Do you use drugs? If someone has a weapon in the hands ends freedom.

Notice BTW that I gave you an honest answer to this question and you used it to go multiple rounds being a dick.

It's just how you roll

 

[Dr Grump]

The people who live here are not the government.

I would like nothing more for this country than for it to stop propping up the military of foreign countries. I want to see an end to all foreign aid and let everyone else figure out how to get by without us.

You think you have a illegal immigration problem now, yeah, stop sending foreign aid...see how that works out for you.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes I can own a tank. But don't be such a fucking idiot to think that a tank or a nuke is the same thing as a rifle or handgun

Oh, so now there are limits? Okay. Just saw the word 'arms' in the second. Nothing about the type of arm...