What specific directive overrides our constitutional rights right now? Has the constitution become arbitrary?

Only if you ignore that our form of government is a Republic, not a pure democracy.

A republic formed with several "compromises" both great and small to turn it from one that had representation proportional to the populations each state represented, to one which gave superior comparative powers to states with the low population density or small overall size.

The Great Compromise gave larger states more say in the House of Representatives by tying representation there to state population, while keeping state representation equal in the Senate by giving each state two votes

The compromise solution was to count three out of every five slaves as people for this purpose. Its effect was to give the Southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignore
Do you always try to pass or cut and paste jobs as your own?
What I write is in normal format. Material sourced (cut and paste) is in italics.

Change your display settings if you can't tell one from the other.

I'm sorry but you don't get to write your own rules for what you wish to post.

Please show us where it states in the rules that you may copy and paste something, without the source and link, if it is not copyrighted material. Show us too where in the rules it says that if you post something in italics, then it is not your material, but rather material you have plagiarized from another source.

Why are you afraid to post your source?
 

The recession of 1937–1938 was an economic downturn that occurred during the Great Depression in the United States. By the spring of 1937, production, profits, and wages had regained their early 1929 levels. Unemployment remained high, but it was slightly lower than the 25% rate seen in 1933.

Roosevelt had been cautious not to run large deficits. In 1937 he actually achieved a balanced budget.

Keynesian economists stated that the recession of 1937 was a result of a premature effort to curb government spending and balance the budget.
 
Only if you ignore that our form of government is a Republic, not a pure democracy.

A republic formed with several "compromises" both great and small to turn it from one that had representation proportional to the populations each state represented, to one which gave superior comparative powers to states with the low population density or small overall size.

The Great Compromise gave larger states more say in the House of Representatives by tying representation there to state population, while keeping state representation equal in the Senate by giving each state two votes

The compromise solution was to count three out of every five slaves as people for this purpose. Its effect was to give the Southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignore
Do you always try to pass or cut and paste jobs as your own?
What I write is in normal format. Material sourced (cut and paste) is in italics.

Change your display settings if you can't tell one from the other.

I'm sorry but you don't get to write your own rules for what you wish to post.

Please show us where it states in the rules that you may copy and paste something, without the source and link, if it is not copyrighted material. Show us too where in the rules it says that if you post something in italics, then it is not your material, but rather material you have plagiarized from another source.

Why are you afraid to post your source?
Hard to identify your source when your post is a hodgepodge of made up stuff.
 
Common republican claim, not supported by facts. The economy improved between 1933 and 1936 with FDR's policies in place. It wasn't until 1937 when FDR listened to the conservatives and instead of continuing his policies instead adopted a conservative budget, based on reducing the deficits, did the recovery falter.
From that bastion of Conservatism, UCLA

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg Sullivan August 10, 2004

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

Pay particular attention to that last line, written FOURTEEN YEARS AGO!

Newsroom
 
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Only if you ignore that our form of government is a Republic, not a pure democracy.

A republic formed with several "compromises" both great and small to turn it from one that had representation proportional to the populations each state represented, to one which gave superior comparative powers to states with the low population density or small overall size.

The Great Compromise gave larger states more say in the House of Representatives by tying representation there to state population, while keeping state representation equal in the Senate by giving each state two votes

The compromise solution was to count three out of every five slaves as people for this purpose. Its effect was to give the Southern states a third more seats in Congress and a third more electoral votes than if slaves had been ignore
Do you always try to pass or cut and paste jobs as your own?
What I write is in normal format. Material sourced (cut and paste) is in italics.

Change your display settings if you can't tell one from the other.

I'm sorry but you don't get to write your own rules for what you wish to post.

Please show us where it states in the rules that you may copy and paste something, without the source and link, if it is not copyrighted material. Show us too where in the rules it says that if you post something in italics, then it is not your material, but rather material you have plagiarized from another source.

Why are you afraid to post your source?
He clearly doesn’t want us to see the rest of the work by whomever he is trying to steal material from.
 
From that bastion of Conservatism, UCLA

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg Sullivan August 10, 2004

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


Newsroom

How come yor "newsroom" link, doesn't link to the story you posted?

 
The Constitution can be suspended legally only by declaration of martial law.

Martial law means something completely different than how it is being thrown around. It means that civilian law has broken down & the military system has to take over to maintain order. We are no where near that point.
 
P.S. He clearly doesn’t want us to see the rest of the work by whomever he is trying to steal material from.

You mean like the "newsroom" link that doesn't work?

I have no clue as to why that link does not work, it always has in the past.

Here's another link to the same article.


 
Common republican claim, not supported by facts. The economy improved between 1933 and 1936 with FDR's policies in place. It wasn't until 1937 when FDR listened to the conservatives and instead of continuing his policies instead adopted a conservative budget, based on reducing the deficits, did the recovery falter.
From that bastion of Conservatism, UCLA

FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg Sullivan August 10, 2004

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.


Pay particular attention to that last line, written FOURTEEN YEARS AGO!

From your working link:

FDR’s policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
December 14, 2015

by Meg Sullivan • UCLA Newsroom

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.




You old link and your new link claim the article was written twice, 11 years apart.
 
Politicians have ORDERED us to pretend we don’t have rights...Do we follow their orders without any pushback or do we challenge their right to impose such orders?
What do concessions such as theses lead to?
Boy sit down, they tell you what to do and you obey the orders...I have been telling you that the 2nd amendment will not save you, you can use your pistol and play thieves vs police in your backyard now.
 
Politicians have ORDERED us to pretend we don’t have rights...Do we follow their orders without any pushback or do we challenge their right to impose such orders?
What do concessions such as theses lead to?

We have long feared police state. Not as a figure of speech we were talking about for decades, and calling on the Constitution to protect us from it, but the actual one, where they can stop you for any reason and ask you for your "papers", or where they can restrict your movements, and your associations, or where they can confine you to your homes.

Although there is federal order for this, states are issuing orders to "stay-at-home", without referring to any legislation, or constitutional power to do it. In some states, police can stop any motorist and ask where they are going. If they aren’t going to a doctor or the store, they can be charged with a misdemeanor. That's for now, which makes me wonder what else is coming.

Over the past few weeks, America and most of the world has been subjected to a power play that rivals anything that George Orwell could have dreamed up. Whole countries locked down. People who have no illness are quarantined, restricted to their houses. “Social distancing” mandating that people stay six feet apart from one another. Almost all businesses are shut down. No more going to the movies, or restaurants, or casinos, or concerts, or sports. All schools have been closed indefinitely.

All these measures are pointing out that something really dangerous is going on, dangerous enough that whole world has come to a standstill over a virus strain, that has killed a fraction of what the common flu kills every year, in this country and around the world. The only thing more dangerous to your life and liberties than coronavirus is the institution that is controlling our lives using the scare of the virus, the government itself.
 
It's time for President Trump to declare martial law; cancel the election; suppress the Democrat Party and "disappear" Democrat leadership. And do it quickly because if they ever find their way into power again they'll do far, far worse.
 
Although there is federal order for this, states are issuing orders to "stay-at-home", without referring to any legislation, or constitutional power to do it. In some states, police can stop any motorist and ask where they are going. If they aren’t going to a doctor or the store, they can be charged with a misdemeanor. That's for now, which makes me wonder what else is coming.

It's well established that the government can order you OUT of your home. To evacuate you, even by force of law from your home when a storm, or fire, or community disaster occurs.

What's the constitutional difference between being ordered to stay OUT from being ordered to stay IN?
 
It's clear we are now a nation of sheep willing giving up our God Given Rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

We used to have a right to free assembly and a right to attend the Church of our choice but now we can only do those things if our government allows it.

We have now given the government the power to restrict our movement to what the government allows. No more gatherings of like minded people able to discuss problems that interest them. Our Republic was by created by like minded people meeting in taverns and Churches a couple centuries ago, and we now have given up the Right to meet in those same locations by order of the government.

Many flaws in your thinking. The first is that like in WWII as in this pandemic war, the government is again restricting travel. We are but a step from the imposition of rationing of vital goods.

Secondly the idea of the people meeting in churches and taverns has been technologically replaced, as this forum you're posting on attests to. Ironic that you arguing against doing what you're doing remotely and advocate requiring meeting face to face to accomplish such a meeting of minds.
So we are all still being isolated by a virus with a death rate similar to the flu. I know the numbers seem high but they are counting every death by a person with the virus as being caused by the flu even it the person would have died anyway. If they would separate the the death of those died by the virus and those that died with the virus we would have an idea of how serious this vires is to people without underlying conditions and maybe we wouldn't unnecessarily bankrupt our nation.

The primary source for all the fear porn which has been emanating from our putrid state run media for months, came from United Kingdom epidemiologist Neil Ferguson, who issued a dire warning that 2.2 million could die from COVID-19 in the United States alone.

Without quite the attention given his initial predictions by the hysterical media, Ferguson quietly acknowledged last week that his numbers were wrong. No, he actually said "very, very wrong". His admission that perhaps 20,000 could die was not very convincing. And a pair of Stanford professors of medicine followed that up by saying the predictions of fatalities “may be too high by orders of magnitude.”

Instead of responding reasonably to these indications that those who initiated the alarmist talk from our journalists and politicians were utterly wrong, our leaders have doubled down on the heavy unwarranted response. Several states have gone into lock down mode that is akin to Martial Law, without any visible troops in the streets.

Given the lack of opposition to this authoritarianism, they haven’t needed any. Without firing a shot, as the saying goes, we are in medically induced police state now.
 
Although there is federal order for this, states are issuing orders to "stay-at-home", without referring to any legislation, or constitutional power to do it. In some states, police can stop any motorist and ask where they are going. If they aren’t going to a doctor or the store, they can be charged with a misdemeanor. That's for now, which makes me wonder what else is coming.

It's well established that the government can order you OUT of your home. To evacuate you, even by force of law from your home when a storm, or fire, or community disaster occurs.

What's the constitutional difference between being ordered to stay OUT from being ordered to stay IN?

That "order" has to be based on something. Can you explain, on what?
 
Politicians have ORDERED us to pretend we don’t have rights...Do we follow their orders without any pushback or do we challenge their right to impose such orders?
What do concessions such as theses lead to?

Every part of the constitution, especially the amendments, are a fundamental basis for our laws. But as nobody could forsee every possible future happenstance, the USSC has repeatedly ruled that even a strict interpretation does not stand if there is a "compelling government interest" against it.
It's the classic case of a law against yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre, being in direct contradiction to the 1st amendment right to free speech.

But these exceptions are not limitless, and there needs to be a showing of how "compelling" that government interest is. In overturning the Stolen Valor law (United States v. Alvarez, 567 U.S. 709 (2012), United States Supreme Court struck down a portion of the Stolen Valor Act)

There is no law against yelling "fire" in crowded theatre, however there is a law against falsely yelling "fire" in crowded theatre.

Your freedom of speech is not limited by the constitution, since you can shout "fire" if there is a fire, or if shouting "fire" is part of the play. Once you purchase ticket for the play or a movie, you are accepting the contract of respecting rules of the theatre, and that has nothing to do with a free speech.
 
Why would the chance be any greater than the chance of contracting the Swine flu was, less than 20%?
The swine flu (H1N1) had tests and a vaccine. And in the end resulted in 20% of the people catching it, but less than 20,000 fatalities from it.

Are you saying that was success?

Despite having tests, and vaccine, and medicine to cure it, and not being as deadly as COVID-19, still 12,400 people died.
 

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