What James Madison (1793 Founder of Republican Party and author of Constitution) said about how lib

[Sunsettommy]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

you seem very liberal, violent and very confident. We expect this from a liberal.Would you like to bet $10,000 that the term Democratic Republican was used in the 18th century? Time to run away with you will you will tail between your legs?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

Would the liberal like to bet $10,000 that the term democratic republican was used in the 18th century to describe the party that Jefferson and Madison founded in 1792?

 

[regent]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

Would the liberal like to bet $10,000 that the term democratic republican was used in the 18th century to describe the party that Jefferson and Madison founded in 1792?

Used by whom?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

Would the liberal like to bet $10,000 that the term democratic republican was used in the 18th century to describe the party that Jefferson and Madison founded in 1792?

Used by whom?

Would the liberal like to bet $10,000 that the term democratic republican was the name used in the 18th century for the party that Jefferson and Madison founded in 1792?

 

[Pogo]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

you seem very liberal, violent and very confident. We expect this from a liberal.Would you like to bet $10,000 that the term Democratic Republican was used in the 18th century? Time to run away with you will you will tail between your legs?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, there's three things that go together --- "liberal, violent and confident".

Fucking freako. Get a brain transplant from Dr. Moran.

 

[Pogo]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

Deliberately so. Special Ed's been on this revisionista campaign for literally years. Last round he had Jefferson starting the Republican Party --- 28 years after his own death.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

Well then you're outing yourself as a liar, since you just posted evidence of it, dumb shit.

And we quote:
The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration.

Not only your own link -- YOUR OWN POST.

Fucking moron.

you seem very liberal, violent and very confident. We expect this from a liberal.Would you like to bet $10,000 that the term Democratic Republican was used in the 18th century? Time to run away with you will you will tail between your legs?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, there's three things that go together --- "liberal, violent and confident".

Fucking freako. Get a brain transplant from Dr. Moran.

you Will notice that most liberals now violently oppose free speech. They lack the IQ for reason and debate and turn to violence like you just did above and they show confidence in their violence. Does it remind you of the early Nazis?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

Deliberately so. Special Ed's been on this revisionista campaign for literally years. Last round he had Jefferson starting the Republican Party --- 28 years after his own death.

As I said I have $10,000 to bet anyone who finds that Jefferson and Madison didn’t form the the Republican Party in 1792 to stand for limited government exactly the wayModern Republicans stand for limited government.

 

[TNHarley]

I love watching people equate liberals with regressive bedwetters

 

[Pogo]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

Deliberately so. Special Ed's been on this revisionista campaign for literally years. Last round he had Jefferson starting the Republican Party --- 28 years after his own death.

As I said I have $10,000 to bet anyone who finds that Jefferson and Madison didn’t form the the Republican Party in 1792 to stand for limited government exactly the wayModern Republicans stand for limited government.

You've already owed me several of them there $10,000 envelopes for like three years. Oh wait, maybe the mail got robbed. By Thomas Jefferson. Two hundred years before you mailed it.

 

[Pogo]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

And the other part of it is that Whig element. The Whigs in their time were the repository of big government, a trait they brought with them to the new Republican Party-- while the Democrats of the day were all about decentralization and "states rights" so Special Ed is as usual tryng to drive the car while facing backward.

If you can imagine it, the OP has books for sale on Amazon, apparently self-published and no doubt chock full of similar anachronistic paradoxes. I suspect he lives in a turret up a spiral staircase nobody ever goes up and given an allowance to keep him busy so he doesn't waddle downstairs and start wanking into the Cheerios.

 

[paperview]

I see that many here are confused about early party labels.

From History

Federalist Party

Excerpt:

The Federalist Party originated in opposition to the Democratic-Republican Party in America during President George Washington’s first administration. Known for their support of a strong national government, the Federalists emphasized commercial and diplomatic harmony with Britain following the signing of the 1794 Jay Treaty. The party split over negotiations with France during President John Adams’s administration, though it remained a political force until its members passed into the Democratic and the Whig parties in the 1820s. Despite its dissolution, the party made a lasting impact by laying the foundations of a national economy, creating a national judicial system and formulating principles of foreign policy.

LINK

Wrong of course, there was no Democratic Republican Party in the 18th Century except in the minds of liberal historians who wish to place modern Democrats at the founding when they do not belong anywhere near the principles of America's founding.. Jefferson and Madison formed the Republican Party in 1792. And now you know it too.

The Republican Party was founded in 1854, from History.com

Republican Party founded

Excerpt:

In Ripon, Wisconsin, former members of the Whig Party meet to establish a new party to oppose the spread of slavery into the western territories. The Whig Party, which was formed in 1834 to oppose the “tyranny” of President Andrew Jackson, had shown itself incapable of coping with the national crisis over slavery.

With the successful introduction of the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, an act that dissolved the terms of the Missouri Compromise and allowed slave or free status to be decided in the territories by popular sovereignty, the Whigs disintegrated. By February 1854, anti-slavery Whigs had begun meeting in the upper midwestern states to discuss the formation of a new party. One such meeting, in Wisconsin on March 20, 1854, is generally remembered as the founding meeting of the Republican Party.

LINK

As I said before some people are confused.

And the other part of it is that Whig element. The Whigs in their time were the repository of big government, a trait they brought with them to the new Republican Party-- while the Democrats of the day were all about decentralization and "states rights" so Special Ed is as usual tryng to drive the car while facing backward.

If you can imagine it, the OP has books for sale on Amazon, apparently self-published and no doubt chock full of similar anachronistic paradoxes. I suspect he lives in a turret up a spiral staircase nobody ever goes up and given an allowance to keep him busy so he doesn't waddle downstairs and start wanking into the Cheerios.

And he spams his garbage all over a myriad of internet boards.

Most people who bother to engage him make minced meat out of him in short order, and he doesn't have a clue how scruffy-insaneman-in-8-hats-screaming at passers-by-on streetcorners he looks.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You've already owed me several of them there $10,000 envelopes for like three years. Oh wait, maybe the mail got robbed. By Thomas Jefferson. Two hundred years before you mailed it.

see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

As I said I have $10,000 to bet anyone who finds that Jefferson and Madison didn’t form the the Republican Party in 1792 to stand for limited government exactly the wayModern Republicans stand for limited government.

You've already owed me several of them there $10,000 envelopes for like three years. Oh wait, maybe the mail got robbed. By Thomas Jefferson. Two hundred years before you mailed it.[/QUOTE]

see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

5th Congress (1797-1799)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

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6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.

 

[Pogo]

Once AGAIN for those intimidated by history, the "Democratic-Republican Party", which Jefferson and Madison did start, is no more related to the actual contemporary "Republican Party" founded in 1854 (out of a portion of the Whigs) in Ripon Wisconsin as already posted here and elsewhere, than the American Republican Party of 1843 (commonly called the Know Nothings) was. Nor for that matter is it related to the National Republican Party founded by Henry Clay, originally loosely known as "anti-Jacksonians" and later known as "Whigs".

Members of the "Democratic-Republican Party" were commonly conversationally called "Republicans" as a shorthand (they were also for a time called the "anti-Administration Party"), but only an idiot would fail to discern the difference between two different things using the same term -- probably the same kind of idiot that would think the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" was any of those things excepting "of Korea", or that the Nazi Party were "socialists", or that Post Grape-Nuts contains either grapes or nuts, or that the "Pennsylvania Dutch" have roots in Holland.

Bottom line remains ----- if Jefferson and Madison founded the modern Republican Party, then what the hell was going on in Ripon Wisconsin in 1854? How can you "found" something that already exists?

That'll be $10,000. Again.

 

[Moonglow]

Madison,,,hmmmm....Wasn't he the guy that lost the capital to the British in the War of 1812?

 

[Moonglow]

Madison was so least popular he had to wait till several old members of Congress died before being elected President by the Senate...

 

[Moonglow]

Once AGAIN for those intimidated by history, the "Democratic-Republican Party", which Jefferson and Madison did start, is no more related to the actual contemporary "Republican Party" founded in 1854 (out of a portion of the Whigs) in Ripon Wisconsin as already posted here and elsewhere, than the American Republican Party of 1843 (commonly called the Know Nothings) was. Nor for that matter is it related to the National Republican Party founded by Henry Clay, originally loosely known as "anti-Jacksonians" and later known as "Whigs".

Members of the "Democratic-Republican Party" were commonly conversationally called "Republicans" as a shorthand (they were also for a time called the "anti-Administration Party"), but only an idiot would fail to discern the difference between two different things using the same term -- probably the same kind of idiot that would think the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" was any of those things excepting "of Korea", or that the Nazi Party were "socialists", or that Post Grape-Nuts contains either grapes or nuts, or that the "Pennsylvania Dutch" have roots in Holland.

Bottom line remains ----- if Jefferson and Madison founded the modern Republican Party, then what the hell was going on in Ripon Wisconsin in 1854? How can you "found" something that already exists?

That'll be $10,000. Again.

You keep rewriting history to fit yer political dogma I see...damn facts, always get in the way of a rhetorical run...

 

[Moonglow]

As I said I have $10,000 to bet anyone who finds that Jefferson and Madison didn’t form the the Republican Party in 1792 to stand for limited government exactly the wayModern Republicans stand for limited government.

You've already owed me several of them there $10,000 envelopes for like three years. Oh wait, maybe the mail got robbed. By Thomas Jefferson. Two hundred years before you mailed it.

see why we say liberalism is based in pure ignorance?

5th Congress (1797-1799)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

6th Congress (1799-1801)

Majority Party: Federalist (22 seats)

Minority Party: Republican (10 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Total Seats: 32

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

7th Congress (1801-1803)

Majority Party: Republican (17 seats)

Minority Party: Federalist (15 seats)

Other Parties: 0

Vacant: 2

Total Seats: 34

"Historians do not agree on the details surrounding the origin of Parties. Some believe that Jefferson forged the Republican party from coalition of existing state and local parties"....[in the 1790's].

Page 31, Political Parties in America by Robert Huckshorn( most popular Political Science text on parties in USA.


"Although people were still deeply ambivalent about political parties, although one party did not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of the other, and although men on both sides were nostalgic- at one time or another- for the imaginary golden age of political harmony, few people could be found in the early 1790's who believed the parties did not exist. The parties had names: Federalist and Republican."

- Susan Dunn, Jefferson's Second Revolution.

No link...Do you not know what footnotes are?