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What is the end game of Occupy Wall Street?

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It is becoming interesting.
It began with a few dozen people, and is now a few thousand.

People have been talking about whether protests like those in France/Italy/Britain/Greece would start here. Perhaps this is just the beginning.
 

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They are Obama's sock puppet.

Wall Street makes America Great and it's why Obama and the Left wants to terrorize it. Remember Obama's Strafing run in AF1 over NY? He thought it would be funny to fly low over Wall Street.
 

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They are Obama's sock puppet.

Wall Street makes America Great and it's why Obama and the Left wants to terrorize it. Remember Obama's Strafing run in AF1 over NY? He thought it would be funny to fly low over Wall Street.

Wall Street made America great. Not anymore.

Cash equities are no longer the bread and butter of the industry. Now it's fancy gambling.
 

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They are protesting corporatism.

Capitalism is fine.

Crony capitalism is a term describing a capitalist economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials.

We all need to elect people who want to get rid of money being exchanged by lobbisits to our representatives.
 

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They are protesting corporatism.

Capitalism is fine.

Crony capitalism is a term describing a capitalist economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials.

We all need to elect people who want to get rid of money being exchanged by lobbisits to our representatives.

:clap2:

Absolutely.
 
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see the sign in this pic they are on the Brooklyn bridge ( Capitalism is organized crime )
that I do not support...
 
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see the sign in this pic they are on the Brooklyn bridge ( Capitalism is organized crime )
that I do not support...

That is because they are just kids.
They get confused, they believe capitalism is the problem - not realizing that capitalism is merely the hijacked vehicle corruption rides on.

It is like blaming the web camera when a paedophile uses it to film a neighbor girl in a swimming pool.
Sallow is right - they should have said "Corporatism is organized crime"...
 

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see the sign in this pic they are on the Brooklyn bridge ( Capitalism is organized crime )
that I do not support...

They are being taught that capitalism is evil and Marxism is good.
 

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see the sign in this pic they are on the Brooklyn bridge ( Capitalism is organized crime )
that I do not support...

Protestors have a tendancy to be a bit more dramatic to make a statement. And..I don't think everyone fully knows what they are talking about..

Capitalism is fine. It's one of the best ways to distribute goods and services while giving the public at large a buy in to the economy.

Corporatism isn't fine. It removes the incentive to do anything and reduces people without large amounts of wealth to serfs.
 

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What is the end game of Occupy Wall Street?

A lot of self congratulatory nonsense followed closely but not a damned thing.

 

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This is an organic movement, so no, it's nothing as coherent and defined as "replacing capitalism with a socialist economy." It really is just restoring the middle class, ending the vast transfer of wealth from 99% of us to the top 1% in the country that's been happening for 30 years, and spreading the wealth around to those of us that work to produce it. Anything that does this will make people happy. They're looking for results. How to get there is a technical question that can't be decided by a mass of protesters, but the reality is that for thirty years we've been deliberately going the opposite direction, and that needs to be reversed.

The end game is one of two things: reform or revolution. I'd put my money on the first because that's the way it's always worked in the past; we have a very flexible system of control that always comes across with reform when pressed like this, rather than going rigid and being overthrown. Then again, these may be unusual times. There was one occasion when the control system failed, and politicians in a minority of the country was so blind to reality they actually drove a number of states to secede from the nation in order to preserve a moribund system, and provoked a civil war. Similar inflexibility on the part of the powers that control Washington today could result in a popular overthrow of the government and a new constitution.

In the short term, I'd say one positive outcome would be for Barack Week-Kneed-Corporate-Stooge Obama to pay some friggin' attention here and figure out that the people aren't "on his side," they're to his left, and he's been selling us out too much over the past three years. If he does that, and shows that he's standing up to the Republican demands for even more of the same in Congress, even if nothing gets past, and especially if the Democrats in Congress grow a pair and do the same, it won't make a difference in terms of legislation this term (because the GOP controls the House), but it will make a big difference in next year's election.

The Democrats lost in 2010 because they moved too far to the right and lost their supporters. These protests are the result of that, of the people's disappointment in Obama and his failure to keep his campaign promises. If the Democrats take heed, they can win next year. If that happens, and if we see real reform as a result, then the protests will simmer down.

If they don't, if they continue listening to the voice of Wall Street instead of the voice of Occupy Wall Street, they will surely lose, the Republicans will take over the rest of the government and implement a full-on corporate agenda, and then revolution becomes a distinct possibility.
 

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that sign also has a website on it. here Party for Socialism and Liberation

I also do not support that website

These protests generally, not always, seem to become "kitchen sinks" and turn alot of people off.

I was at a protest against the Iraqi war. They had Commies speaking. They had disenfranchised American Indians speaking. They had Palestinians speaking. None of that had anything to do with protesting the invasion of Iraq. I stayed, but I really wanted to get the heck out of there.
 

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The core movement are anarchists who believe in no government and no business at all. We will all live off the land (as vegans) and be kind to one another.
 

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Arrest them all and give them real sentences. Put them to work cleaning the streets.

Why? Because you disagree with what they are saying?
Or think you do?
They are kids. Protests encourage folks on the fringe.
However - their right to protest is absolute.

If you want to live in a country that arrest and incarcerates protesters and puts them into labor camps - move to China or North Korea.
 

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