What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy

[Boston1]

Israel has consistently tried to play the nice guy in the middle east conflict.

But what if the Israeli's accepted the war for what it is, acted within the Geneva Conventions and completed the war process. The most humane solution is to end the conflict ASAP, Clearly negotiating with the terrorist isn't working so obviously the fastest way to peace is to finish the war.

Anyone who is in any way familiar with the Geneva conventions and the UN charter would realize that Israel is well within its rights to defend itself. Since the Arab League declared war in 1948 a condition of war has existed. So why not follow it to its natural conclusion. Victory.

Why not take the pali terrorist enclaves one at a time and utterly defeat them. Start small, one of the smaller enclaves where terrorist activity exists. The security walls are perfect for isolating each enclave and from there all aid distribution in terms of food and medicine should be distributed just outside the security area in determination centers where combatants, those who assist combatants and those suspected of being or aiding combatants can be detained as POWs. The rest can be remanded to detention centers not unlike the centers the US set up for the Japanese in WW2. Any of them that refuse to come out to receive their aid can rot. Embargo all entry into the given area, no goods of any kind. Lay siege to enclaves one at a time until complete capitulation is achieved.

Anyone designated a POW according to the Geneva conventions should be repatriated to a neutral third country exactly as specified within the conventions.

Anyone designated a civilian or a refugee can be legally removed from the war zones until such time as its safe to return them.

Rinse and repeat

Once all pali enclaves have been swept for persons having forfeited their protected status, then the rest should be offered the opportunity for unconditional surrender. Should they refuse I'm pretty sure they can be held under military law by the controlling military power or repatriated to a neutral third country.

Regardless its time for the Israeli's to stop pussy footing around and end the war.

A negotiated solution has clearly failed. Which leaves us continuing the war to its logical conclusion. Unconditional surrender

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel has consistently tried to play the nice guy in the middle east conflict.

But what if the Israeli's accepted the war for what it is, acted within the Geneva Conventions and completed the war process. The most humane solution is to end the conflict ASAP, Clearly negotiating with the terrorist isn't working so obviously the fastest way to peace is to finish the war.

Anyone who is in any way familiar with the Geneva conventions and the UN charter would realize that Israel is well within its rights to defend itself. Since the Arab League declared war in 1948 a condition of war has existed. So why not follow it to its natural conclusion. Victory.

Why not take the pali terrorist enclaves one at a time and utterly defeat them. Start small, one of the smaller enclaves where terrorist activity exists. The security walls are perfect for isolating each enclave and from there all aid distribution in terms of food and medicine should be distributed just outside the security area in determination centers where combatants, those who assist combatants and those suspected of being or aiding combatants can be detained as POWs. The rest can be remanded to detention centers not unlike the centers the US set up for the Japanese in WW2. Any of them that refuse to come out to receive their aid can rot. Embargo all entry into the given area, no goods of any kind. Lay siege to enclaves one at a time until complete capitulation is achieved.

Anyone designated a POW according to the Geneva conventions should be repatriated to a neutral third country exactly as specified within the conventions.

Anyone designated a civilian or a refugee can be legally removed from the war zones until such time as its safe to return them.

Rinse and repeat

Once all pali enclaves have been swept for persons having forfeited their protected status, then the rest should be offered the opportunity for unconditional surrender. Should they refuse I'm pretty sure they can be held under military law by the controlling military power or repatriated to a neutral third country.

Regardless its time for the Israeli's to stop pussy footing around and end the war.

A negotiated solution has clearly failed. Which leaves us continuing the war to its logical conclusion. Unconditional surrender

You need to reread the GC. You are way off base.

 

[Boston1]

Wrong

I'm exactly on target.

The Israeli's have a right to defend themselves

See
United Nations Charter
article 51

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948

Also see
Article 2 III Geneva Convention

The Israeli's have the right to detain prisoners of war

See
III Geneva Convention articles 3,4,5,6,10,23,28,33,60,65,66,67,72,73,75,109,110,118,119,122,132

Israeli has an obligation to segregate POWs from civilians and refugees.

See
Common article 3 of the geneva Conventions
Article 75 first protocol of the Geneva Conventions

Israel may repatriate POWs to neutral third parties.

See
Article 12 III Geneva Convention

Sorry but If you have any specific complaints about any of my suggestions that can be seen within the provisions on the conduct of war feel free. But so far you've offered not a shred of supporting arguments within law.

 

[cnm]

Not possible, Israel would first have had to have tried to play the nice guy, rather than stealing land and imposing military rule and apartheid regimes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong

I'm exactly on target.

The Israeli's have a right to defend themselves

See
United Nations Charter
article 51

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948

Also see
Article 2 III Geneva Convention

The Israeli's have the right to detain prisoners of war

See
III Geneva Convention articles 3,4,5,6,10,23,28,33,60,65,66,67,72,73,75,109,110,118,119,122,132

Israeli has an obligation to segregate POWs from civilians and refugees.

See
Common article 3 of the geneva Conventions
Article 75 first protocol of the Geneva Conventions

Israel may repatriate POWs to neutral third parties.

See
Article 12 III Geneva Convention

Sorry but If you have any specific complaints about any of my suggestions that can be seen within the provisions on the conduct of war feel free. But so far you've offered not a shred of supporting arguments within law.

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948​

Was Palestine a member of the Arab League?

The Arab League invaded Palestine. They did not attack Israel.

Palestine was already under attack by foreign forces before the 1948 war and that attack continues. There were already over 300,000 Palestinian refugees before the 1948 war.

 

[Boston1]

Not possible, Israel would first have had to have tried to play the nice guy, rather than stealing land and imposing military rule and apartheid regimes.

Nonsense. Israel stole nothing, the Zionists were buying land peacefully when the Arab Muslim colonists declared war May 15 1948. After that it became a result of war, a defensive war, which is still ongoing. Which means the Geneva Conventions apply and Israel is under no obligation to play nice guy if they don't want to.

Given the state of affairs I think it reasonable to conclude the pali's refuse to negotiate a settlement and that their unconditional surrender would be the fastest rout to peace.

I merely suggest that the UNWRA be kicked out of the country ( did I forget to mention that ? ) and Israel or the ICRC take charge of distributing aid to all who need it at determination centers where pali's can be segregated into combatants and protected persons.

Your other issues have been taken up on other threads

 

[Boston1]

Wrong

I'm exactly on target.

The Israeli's have a right to defend themselves

See
United Nations Charter
article 51

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948

Also see
Article 2 III Geneva Convention

The Israeli's have the right to detain prisoners of war

See
III Geneva Convention articles 3,4,5,6,10,23,28,33,60,65,66,67,72,73,75,109,110,118,119,122,132

Israeli has an obligation to segregate POWs from civilians and refugees.

See
Common article 3 of the geneva Conventions
Article 75 first protocol of the Geneva Conventions

Israel may repatriate POWs to neutral third parties.

See
Article 12 III Geneva Convention

Sorry but If you have any specific complaints about any of my suggestions that can be seen within the provisions on the conduct of war feel free. But so far you've offered not a shred of supporting arguments within law.

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948​

Was Palestine a member of the Arab League?

The Arab League invaded Palestine. They did not attack Israel.

Palestine was already under attack by foreign forces before the 1948 war and that attack continues. There were already over 300,000 Palestinian refugees before the 1948 war.

As a matter of fact they were. Those you call palestinians were at the time actually Jordanians who were in the Arab League.

Quote

After the creation of the state of Israel and before the passing of a new Jordanian Citizenship Law in 1954, Palestinians were incorporated into the Kingdom of Jordan.

In 1949, the Jordanian Council of Ministers added an article to their Citizenship Law of 1928 that read

All those who at the time when this Law goes into effect habitually reside in Transjordan or in the Western part [of the Jordan] which is being administered by [the Kingdom], and who were holders of Palestinian citizenship, shall be deemed as Jordanians enjoying all rights of Jordanians and bearing all the attendant obligations.

End Quote

see
Citizenship and the State in the Middle East, p. 210.

But lets make a real effort to stick to the subject

Should Israel invoke the Geneva Conventions and complete the war to its inevitable conclusion. Total victory for the Israeli people and an unconditional surrender of the Arab Muslims.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Israel has consistently tried to play the nice guy in the middle east conflict.

But what if the Israeli's accepted the war for what it is, acted within the Geneva Conventions and completed the war process. The most humane solution is to end the conflict ASAP, Clearly negotiating with the terrorist isn't working so obviously the fastest way to peace is to finish the war.

Anyone who is in any way familiar with the Geneva conventions and the UN charter would realize that Israel is well within its rights to defend itself. Since the Arab League declared war in 1948 a condition of war has existed. So why not follow it to its natural conclusion. Victory.

Why not take the pali terrorist enclaves one at a time and utterly defeat them. Start small, one of the smaller enclaves where terrorist activity exists. The security walls are perfect for isolating each enclave and from there all aid distribution in terms of food and medicine should be distributed just outside the security area in determination centers where combatants, those who assist combatants and those suspected of being or aiding combatants can be detained as POWs. The rest can be remanded to detention centers not unlike the centers the US set up for the Japanese in WW2. Any of them that refuse to come out to receive their aid can rot. Embargo all entry into the given area, no goods of any kind. Lay siege to enclaves one at a time until complete capitulation is achieved.

Anyone designated a POW according to the Geneva conventions should be repatriated to a neutral third country exactly as specified within the conventions.

Anyone designated a civilian or a refugee can be legally removed from the war zones until such time as its safe to return them.

Rinse and repeat

Once all pali enclaves have been swept for persons having forfeited their protected status, then the rest should be offered the opportunity for unconditional surrender. Should they refuse I'm pretty sure they can be held under military law by the controlling military power or repatriated to a neutral third country.

Regardless its time for the Israeli's to stop pussy footing around and end the war.

A negotiated solution has clearly failed. Which leaves us continuing the war to its logical conclusion. Unconditional surrender

the world would not miss the pals, not at all

only real problem is they need to wait until obama is out of Ofc. I'm certain he would help the pals anyway he could

 

[Challenger]

Israel has consistently tried to play the nice guy in the middle east conflict.

Has it? Never noticed.

"What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy" Quit? When did it start?

 

[cnm]

Has it? Never noticed.

"What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy" Quit? When did it start?

Apparently that isn't relevant. One would think the OP should have been titled 'What if Israel Continued to be an Arsehole'?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Has it? Never noticed.

"What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy" Quit? When did it start?

Apparently that isn't relevant. One would think the OP should have been titled 'What if Israel Continued to be an Arsehole'?

Israel never expelled all of the Palestinians. That is being a nice guy.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel has consistently tried to play the nice guy in the middle east conflict.

Maintaining a brutal occupation of Palestinian land for almost 70 years, is not being nice.

But what if the Israeli's accepted the war for what it is, acted within the Geneva Conventions and completed the war process. The most humane solution is to end the conflict ASAP, Clearly negotiating with the terrorist isn't working so obviously the fastest way to peace is to finish the war.

It's not a war; its an occupation.

Anyone who is in any way familiar with the Geneva conventions and the UN charter would realize that Israel is well within its rights to defend itself. Since the Arab League declared war in 1948 a condition of war has existed. So why not follow it to its natural conclusion. Victory.

An occupational force cannot claim self defense.

Why not take the pali terrorist enclaves one at a time and utterly defeat them. Start small, one of the smaller enclaves where terrorist activity exists. The security walls are perfect for isolating each enclave and from there all aid distribution in terms of food and medicine should be distributed just outside the security area in determination centers where combatants, those who assist combatants and those suspected of being or aiding combatants can be detained as POWs. The rest can be remanded to detention centers not unlike the centers the US set up for the Japanese in WW2. Any of them that refuse to come out to receive their aid can rot. Embargo all entry into the given area, no goods of any kind. Lay siege to enclaves one at a time until complete capitulation is achieved.

All of the above, violates Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions...

Article 3
Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
b) taking of hostages;
c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; ​

Anyone designated a POW according to the Geneva conventions should be repatriated to a neutral third country exactly as specified within the conventions.

That violates the 4th Geneva Convention. Forced deportations are prohibited.

Anyone designated a civilian or a refugee can be legally removed from the war zones until such time as its safe to return them.

It's not a war; it's an occupation.

Rinse and repeat

Once all pali enclaves have been swept for persons having forfeited their protected status, then the rest should be offered the opportunity for unconditional surrender. Should they refuse I'm pretty sure they can be held under military law by the controlling military power or repatriated to a neutral third country.

Wake up, you're dreaming.

Regardless its time for the Israeli's to stop pussy footing around and end the war.

Shooting at people while they fish, is "pussy footing"?

A negotiated solution has clearly failed. Which leaves us continuing the war to its logical conclusion. Unconditional surrender

Again, it's not a war; it's an occupation.

Nice people do not force war on others.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel never expelled all of the Palestinians. That is being a nice guy.

Zionist terrorists drove out over 700,000 Palestinian's from their homes.

That's not being nice.

Deir Yassan, was not being nice.

This...

They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination
- Ahad Ha'am​

...was not being nice.

 

[Penelope]

Not possible, Israel would first have had to have tried to play the nice guy, rather than stealing land and imposing military rule and apartheid regimes.

Nonsense. Israel stole nothing, the Zionists were buying land peacefully when the Arab Muslim colonists declared war May 15 1948. After that it became a result of war, a defensive war, which is still ongoing. Which means the Geneva Conventions apply and Israel is under no obligation to play nice guy if they don't want to.

Given the state of affairs I think it reasonable to conclude the pali's refuse to negotiate a settlement and that their unconditional surrender would be the fastest rout to peace.

I merely suggest that the UNWRA be kicked out of the country ( did I forget to mention that ? ) and Israel or the ICRC take charge of distributing aid to all who need it at determination centers where pali's can be segregated into combatants and protected persons.

Your other issues have been taken up on other threads

If Palestinians didn't take the peanuts for land they were removed. Don't feed us with Israel lies, we all know the truth. If you make life a living hell, people will take peanuts and leave and that is what they did, those who did not leave were killed or shoved into Gaza.

 

[Boston1]

Lets keep it on topic people

The subject is Israel following the Geneva Conventions to a conclusion rather than trying to play the nice guy.

What if Israel pursued an unconditional surrender ?

The Arab League declared war

So what if Israel finishes it. Rather than try and play the PR game

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wrong

I'm exactly on target.

The Israeli's have a right to defend themselves

See
United Nations Charter
article 51

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948

Also see
Article 2 III Geneva Convention

The Israeli's have the right to detain prisoners of war

See
III Geneva Convention articles 3,4,5,6,10,23,28,33,60,65,66,67,72,73,75,109,110,118,119,122,132

Israeli has an obligation to segregate POWs from civilians and refugees.

See
Common article 3 of the geneva Conventions
Article 75 first protocol of the Geneva Conventions

Israel may repatriate POWs to neutral third parties.

See
Article 12 III Geneva Convention

Sorry but If you have any specific complaints about any of my suggestions that can be seen within the provisions on the conduct of war feel free. But so far you've offered not a shred of supporting arguments within law.

There is a condition of war as declared by the Arab League

see
Arab League declaration on the invasion of Palestine- 15 May 1948​

Was Palestine a member of the Arab League?

The Arab League invaded Palestine. They did not attack Israel.

Palestine was already under attack by foreign forces before the 1948 war and that attack continues. There were already over 300,000 Palestinian refugees before the 1948 war.

As a matter of fact they were. Those you call palestinians were at the time actually Jordanians who were in the Arab League.

Quote

After the creation of the state of Israel and before the passing of a new Jordanian Citizenship Law in 1954, Palestinians were incorporated into the Kingdom of Jordan.

In 1949, the Jordanian Council of Ministers added an article to their Citizenship Law of 1928 that read

All those who at the time when this Law goes into effect habitually reside in Transjordan or in the Western part [of the Jordan] which is being administered by [the Kingdom], and who were holders of Palestinian citizenship, shall be deemed as Jordanians enjoying all rights of Jordanians and bearing all the attendant obligations.

End Quote

see
Citizenship and the State in the Middle East, p. 210.

But lets make a real effort to stick to the subject

Should Israel invoke the Geneva Conventions and complete the war to its inevitable conclusion. Total victory for the Israeli people and an unconditional surrender of the Arab Muslims.

You are just blowing smoke out of your ass.

Palestine did not become a member state of the Arab League until 1974.

Jordan occupied the West Bank. It is illegal to annex occupied territory. The West Bank was occupied Palestinian territory. The Palestinians were still Palestinians.

 

[Boston1]

Once again people lets keep it on topic.

palestine wasn't a state then and still isn't today.

But regardless, thats a whole other topic.

The topic is, what if Israel went ahead and concluded the war the Arab League declared in 48. Quite trying to play nice guy and simply squashed all pali aggression until an unconditional surrender was reached.

Wouldn't it be a much faster pathway to peace than trying to constantly placate the pali's who's real goal isn't a state or autonomy but the destruction of Israel ?

The simple solution is unconditional surrender and the expulsion of all pali combatants through an application of the Geneva Conventions.

 

[montelatici]

I wonder how many more thousands of Palestinian women and children would Israel have to murder at a time to quite playing the "nice guy" for the OP.

 

[montelatici]

Has it? Never noticed.

"What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy" Quit? When did it start?

Apparently that isn't relevant. One would think the OP should have been titled 'What if Israel Continued to be an Arsehole'?

Israel never expelled all of the Palestinians. That is being a nice guy.

They expelled or murdered as many as they possibly could within the time the UNSC allotted them.

 

[Challenger]

Has it? Never noticed.

"What if Israel Quite Trying to Play the Nice Guy" Quit? When did it start?

Apparently that isn't relevant. One would think the OP should have been titled 'What if Israel Continued to be an Arsehole'?