CDZ What happened to America's Conservative Values?

[Dr Grump]

that tried unfettered capitalism, and it failed.

Name any South American country.

 

[the other mike]

Cigarettes, booze, hard drugs, and the villification of morality by Hollywood and the popular media are to blame.

Throw in bad parenting and bad education systems in many areas .

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

but by any logical metric it is a whopping success compared to the treasonous Green New Deal Second Great Depression and Communist Revolution, open borders, free health care for entire world, and the continued attack on family, religion, schools, and Constitution.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

He said unfettered capitalist is bad.

Capitalism is very fettered by the requirement of free markets,ie, free consumers shopping on basis of price and quality, business competing on basis of price and quality, and govt not supporting one business or industry over another.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

With their support of Trump, the American Right has pissed away any claim it has on "traditional values".

not at all!! Comparatively speaking Trump broadly supports capitalism, the Constitution, family, schools, religion, the working man ie traditional American values while Democrats are the exact opposite.

Where are you confused on this??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And for the eight zillionth time, the two ends of our political spectrum demonstrate for us, how similar they can be in their behaviors.

We don't care about behaviors, whatever that means. We care about whether we are moving toward freedom or government. This is what Plato and Aristotle debated about and what world history has been about. This debate is well represented by modern Republicans and Democrats.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Republicans, as a group, gave you the income tax, the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the so - called "Patriot Act," the National ID / READ ID Act - E Verify, assaults on the Fourth Amendment, and an effective repeal of the Bill of Rights.

They also gave us Jefferson, Lincoln, Goldwater, Reagan, Gingrich, Scalia, Tea Party, Rand Paul, and will give us perfect conservatism/libertarianism the second there is enough support for it.

Democrats are headed in opposite direction. Do you understand?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What happened to America is that democrats went full on communist, Chinese communist.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Republicans, as a group, gave you the income tax, the illegally ratified 14th Amendment, the creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, the so - called "Patriot Act," the National ID / READ ID Act - E Verify, assaults on the Fourth Amendment, and an effective repeal of the Bill of Rights.

They also gave us Jefferson, Lincoln, Goldwater, Reagan, Gingrich, Scalia, Tea Party, Rand Paul, and will give us perfect conservatism/libertarianism the second there is enough support for it.

Democrats are headed in opposite direction. Do you understand?

No, YOU don't understand. The people who WERE conservatives have watered down their message and / or joined the MAGA crowd. MAGA is about as "conservative" as Marx or Lenin IF conservative is held to mean supporting the Constitution as it was originally written and intended.

 

[Blues Man]

Whoever thinks the government can provide prosperity is a fool.

Whoever thinks unfettered capitalism can provide prosperity is also a fool.

Name one example of unfettered Capitalism, that did not result in prosperity?

Every single time any country anywhere, takes a step towards Capitalism, prosperity follows.
Every single time any country anywhere, takes a step towards socialism, decline and poverty follows.

There is no example to the opposite of either of those.

We have never had unfettered capitalism.

Right, I'm trying to force him to confront his implied statement. Whether we have or not, doesn't matter.

He said unfettered capitalist is bad. Name anywhere... any country, that tried unfettered capitalism, and it failed.

Painting people into a corner of their own beliefs is fun.

There has never been any country that has tried unfettered capitalism.

 

[theHawk]

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is why.

Are you claiming President Trump is a religious zealot?

Where are all the anti-gay laws? Why isn’t abortion banned then?

 

[playtime]

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is why.

Are you claiming President Trump is a religious zealot?

Where are all the anti-gay laws? Why isn’t abortion banned then?

although donny is such a christian - after all 2 corinthians said so - it's the 'GOP' who has become the extremists in that regard.

what do you mean where are all the anti gay laws?

Legislation Affecting LGBT Rights Across the Country

& why isn't abortion banned? roe v wade is slowly being dismantled:

The battle over abortion rights: Here's what's at stake in 2020

 

[Chuz Life]

'The Atlantic writer David Frum argues that “democracy is tested by its ability to deliver security, prosperity, and justice”. By that metric, the Trump presidency is a shambolic failure.'

'The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’'

Trumpocalypse review: David Frum bushwhacks a new axis of evil

The former George W Bush speechwriter thinks 21st-century conservatism has ‘delivered much more harm than good’

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"Over the past half-century, the GOP has morphed into the heir of George Wallace, the segregationist Alabama governor and presidential candidate, and Pat Buchanan, Richard Nixon’s paleoconservative speechwriter. The party of Abraham Lincoln and the upward arc is gone."


"Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy." David Frum

Trumpocracy

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Cigarettes, booze, hard drugs, and the villification of morality by Hollywood and the popular media are to blame.

Largely

 

[Agit8r]

The same thing that happened in Afghanistan

They became radicalized.

Since radical conservatism is a contradiction in terms, it is safe to say that conservatism is dead. Save perhaps some dark recesses of the Democratic Party.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The same thing that happened in Afghanistan

They became radicalized.

Since radical conservatism is a contradiction in terms, it is safe to say that conservatism is dead. Save perhaps some dark recesses of the Democratic Party.

While I agree with you in principle, have you seen any resistance to the B.S. that is going with the liberal Democrats, rioters, looters, and shooters erasing our history and waging the biggest race war in U.S. history?