We Were Wrong.....

I see once again that any critique of Obama turns into a diatribe about Iraq. OK, we got it, you don't think that removing a sadistic dictator like Saddam was worth it in Iraq but you do in Syria, Libia, and of course the Balkans. You don't think that the freeing millions of Iraqis so they too can have the freedom to vote is worth it, got ya. You didn't much care about Saddam's sons and their torture chambers, OK then. You think it was all about oil yet I don't see where we stole a drop, should have, didn't.

That said, I would have voted no for war but what the hell do I know? I am glad that the war didn't cause a huge disruption in the world economy. If anything it stimulated the US economy. Had we bombed the crap out of Saddam he would have done what he did in Kuwait and blew up his oil fields, and quite frankly I am addicted to oil, I like the stuff and I don't want to mortgage my house to be able to drive to work.

The president of Iraq wanted us out, made a big deal of it, we left to give our puppet some legitimacy, he thanks us for setting him up by fanning the flames of sectarian conflict and now he wants us back. Fuck him, and fuck anyone who wants to help him retain power.


Oh fuck off on the Maliki wanted us out bullshit. Blew it out of the water early on so you are either an ignorant son of a bitch or a pathalogical liar.

Iraq wanted a stable force to keep the country safe. Obama refused. Made the draw down to 3000 instead of the 20000 requested.

Now it turns out that you have fucked up on giving air support not only requested but by the Iraqi government begging for the purchase of fighter planes.

Guess who is helping Iraq now? Russia. Russia is going to supply the planes.

Americans wanted their sons and daughters and spouses out of there, I'm happy we did what they want rather than what anyone in Iraq wants. The place is not worth even one more serviceman dead on their soil.
 
So liberals do wish saddam was still in power torturing and murdering people?

Watch now....as we witness the great liberal dance.

I call it the "left wing two step."

They are glad saddam is not around but......

Saddam was contained and was not a threat to anyone

We ended up with over 100,000 dead Iraqis, Saddam would not have killed that many. They are still at war ten years later

It cost us 5000 dead, tens of thousand wounded and 2 trillion dollars that could have been better spent on helping Americans

Not according to the UN independent security council that voted unanimously to have him removed for violating 17 resolutions.

He was torturing and murdering still and that was according to defectors. Including his two son in laws who he had executed.

Not to mention the murderous exploits of his sons.

Go ahead and continue to not understand the fullness of what we are fighting in this war on terror. Go ahead and think it was isolated to one man and one group.

That way you and the rest of the ignorant boobs on the left can make yourselves feel comfortable blaming Booooosh for the terror attacks now even though bin laden is dead and al qaeda is "on the run."

Naive ignorant asses continue to demonstrate how and why a 911 happened and why it will happen again.

The UN did not support our Iraq invasion. Most of the world didn't

Saddam was a prick, but he was their prick

Not worth the price we paid to remove him
 
The Billings Gazette is correct

They were wrong to endorse Obama. McCain said he would keep us in Iraq for 50 years. If McCain were President, we would still have troops in Iraq. We would be losing 4-5 soldiers a week, but Iraq would be policed.

If that is what you wanted, you would be better off with McCain/ Palin

Once again you are oh so close to being right, it was Bush who said 50 years, McCain said 100. Not that he said he expected it to take 100 years but that it COULD be 100 years. So what happens? Both Obama and Hillary attack the President, you know in a time if war, and McCain.

Here is what McCain said:

"It's not a matter of how long we're in Iraq, it's if we succeed or not," McCain said to CNN's Larry King.

"And both Sen. Obama and Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal -- that means chaos, that means genocide, that means undoing all the success we've achieved and al Qaeda tells the world they defeated the United States of America.


Seems as if he has been proven correct.

If McCain was president we would still have our forces in Iraq and still be paying a price for keeping the peace between two factions that hate each other

Wasn't worth the price when we invaded, not worth it today
 
The Billings Gazette is correct

They were wrong to endorse Obama. McCain said he would keep us in Iraq for 50 years. If McCain were President, we would still have troops in Iraq. We would be losing 4-5 soldiers a week, but Iraq would be policed.

If that is what you wanted, you would be better off with McCain/ Palin

Once again you are oh so close to being right, it was Bush who said 50 years, McCain said 100. Not that he said he expected it to take 100 years but that it COULD be 100 years. So what happens? Both Obama and Hillary attack the President, you know in a time if war, and McCain.

Here is what McCain said:

"It's not a matter of how long we're in Iraq, it's if we succeed or not," McCain said to CNN's Larry King.

"And both Sen. Obama and Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal -- that means chaos, that means genocide, that means undoing all the success we've achieved and al Qaeda tells the world they defeated the United States of America.


Seems as if he has been proven correct.

If McCain was president we would still have our forces in Iraq and still be paying a price for keeping the peace between two factions that hate each other

Wasn't worth the price when we invaded, not worth it today

But we did and now we don't let our sacrifice go to waste. I don't build a house just so some radical Muslim can come and burn it down. I would have voted no but a bi-partisan in Congress did, we have to live with what we gave the Iraqis, and protect the same.

I am not worried there are those who will volunteer to do it for us.
 
I see once again that any critique of Obama turns into a diatribe about Iraq. OK, we got it, you don't think that removing a sadistic dictator like Saddam was worth it in Iraq but you do in Syria, Libia, and of course the Balkans. You don't think that the freeing millions of Iraqis so they too can have the freedom to vote is worth it, got ya. You didn't much care about Saddam's sons and their torture chambers, OK then. You think it was all about oil yet I don't see where we stole a drop, should have, didn't.

That said, I would have voted no for war but what the hell do I know? I am glad that the war didn't cause a huge disruption in the world economy. If anything it stimulated the US economy. Had we bombed the crap out of Saddam he would have done what he did in Kuwait and blew up his oil fields, and quite frankly I am addicted to oil, I like the stuff and I don't want to mortgage my house to be able to drive to work.

The president of Iraq wanted us out, made a big deal of it, we left to give our puppet some legitimacy, he thanks us for setting him up by fanning the flames of sectarian conflict and now he wants us back. Fuck him, and fuck anyone who wants to help him retain power.


Oh fuck off on the Maliki wanted us out bullshit. Blew it out of the water early on so you are either an ignorant son of a bitch or a pathalogical liar.

Iraq wanted a stable force to keep the country safe. Obama refused. Made the draw down to 3000 instead of the 20000 requested.

Now it turns out that you have fucked up on giving air support not only requested but by the Iraqi government begging for the purchase of fighter planes.

Guess who is helping Iraq now? Russia. Russia is going to supply the planes.

Actually we should have sold them the planes and expedited them. We didn't but I think it could be looked at as a good thing. Now we can say we are not going it alone, Russia also is on the side of a free Iraq.
 
Damn I thought the cons had come to their senses and were ready to apologize for Bush.

Oh well...

Apologize...? Are you kidding? If Bush had run in 2012, I would have voted for him again, over Obama.

You crazy!


Yep. I would have voted for Bush again, rather than the ass-clown Obama. Hell, I would have voted for ANYONE rather than that pimp Obama.

Almost anyone.... I would not have voted for Hilliary. In fact if Hilliary was the Republican candidate against Obama... I'm pretty sure I would have voted for Obama over Hilliary.

Hilliary is not only a nut case liberal socialist, but she is in fact an fundamentally evil, truly evil person.

I would absolutely consider voting for Obama over her. I don't think Obama is 'evil'. I think he's just really bad president.

But yeah, short of that.... I'm with you.
 
Saddam was contained and was not a threat to anyone

We ended up with over 100,000 dead Iraqis, Saddam would not have killed that many. They are still at war ten years later

It cost us 5000 dead, tens of thousand wounded and 2 trillion dollars that could have been better spent on helping Americans

Not according to the UN independent security council that voted unanimously to have him removed for violating 17 resolutions.

He was torturing and murdering still and that was according to defectors. Including his two son in laws who he had executed.

Not to mention the murderous exploits of his sons.

Go ahead and continue to not understand the fullness of what we are fighting in this war on terror. Go ahead and think it was isolated to one man and one group.

That way you and the rest of the ignorant boobs on the left can make yourselves feel comfortable blaming Booooosh for the terror attacks now even though bin laden is dead and al qaeda is "on the run."

Naive ignorant asses continue to demonstrate how and why a 911 happened and why it will happen again.

The UN did not support our Iraq invasion. Most of the world didn't

Saddam was a prick, but he was their prick

Not worth the price we paid to remove him

Now certainly it depends on when a person thinks the war with Iraq started. If you think it started with Bush 1 you are correct. The UN fully supported that action and Bush 2 finished that war. If you remember after Saddam was kicked out of Kuwait the UN started 12 years of sanctions and no fly zones that Saddam snubbed his nose at, all the while implying he had the WMD he had used against this own people. Why did we think he had WMD? Well that is what those who suppose to know told us. That is why Bill Clinton bombed a pill factory in Iraq, remember? Clinton was laughed at not because he tried but because he failed. Everyone believed that Saddam had the weapons we just didn't know where. Bush didn't start the WMD stories he continued on where Clinton left off. GWB didn't start the war in Iraq, he did finish it though.
 
Apologize...? Are you kidding? If Bush had run in 2012, I would have voted for him again, over Obama.

You crazy!


Yep. I would have voted for Bush again, rather than the ass-clown Obama. Hell, I would have voted for ANYONE rather than that pimp Obama.

Almost anyone.... I would not have voted for Hilliary. In fact if Hilliary was the Republican candidate against Obama... I'm pretty sure I would have voted for Obama over Hilliary.

Hilliary is not only a nut case liberal socialist, but she is in fact an fundamentally evil, truly evil person.

I would absolutely consider voting for Obama over her. I don't think Obama is 'evil'. I think he's just really bad president.

But yeah, short of that.... I'm with you.

Don't know if there is much of a difference between the two. The only difference I see that with Obama those opposing him are a racist, with Hillary those opposing her would be a misogynist.
 
Damn...I guess Montana newspapers have finally come to their senses...


Newspaper: ‘We Were Wrong’ To Endorse Obama; He’s Even Worse Than George Bush


The Billings Gazette, a Montana newspaper that endorsed Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008, admitted Friday that it was wrong. It appears that the unraveling of Iraq is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.
Obama, the paper said, is even worse than George W. Bush:
“[W]e were wrong. We said things couldn’t get much worse after the sub-par presidency of George W. Bush. But, President Barack Obama’s administration has us yearning for the good ol’ days when we were at least winning battles in Iraq.”
Here’s what the paper wrote about Obama in 2008:
“At this extremely challenging time, America needs a uniter, not a divider. In this economic turmoil, America needs a thoughtful, cool-headed optimist who envisions a bright future for all citizens.
*
After several years in which worldwide respect for America has been diminished, our great nation needs a new leader who can inspire confidence at home and abroad.”
A “uniter, not a divider” who could restore “worldwide respect for America”? LOL.
“Obama is that leader. As Gen. Colin Powell said last week, Obama is the president America needs now ‘ecause of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities. … He has both style and substance.’”
After painting his opposition as “enemies” for 5 ever-more polarizing years, it’s clear that this couldn’t be any further from reality.
If you’re one of the people who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both and now regret it, The Billings Gazette officially feels your pain. Finally.


-- and no link to the paper.

Wonder why.
 
What a stupid newspaper editorial staff. Iraq was an illegal invasion of a sovereign nation - why is that so hard to accept? Is Montana now becoming another one of America's stupid states? Excellent piece below, and check out the veteran's op.

The Philosopher's Stone: IRAQ -- PART ONE

"With Iraq's Sunni insurgents taking over increasing amounts of territory, and with splits among Shiite factions in the country, I called up Thomas E. Ricks, the Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter who became well known for his work covering the war in Iraq. Over the course of numerous newspaper articles and two books, Ricks traced the conflict from its beginning all the way until the American withdrawal. Currently the National Security advisor at the New America Foundation, he also writes the blog The Best Defense for Foreign Policy magazine."
An Interview With Tom Ricks on the Crisis in Iraq: How Bad Can It Get? | New Republic


"The Wikipedia says Operation Iraqi Freedom started on the 20th of March, 2003, which is just another reason why you shouldn’t believe anything you read in the Wikipedia (don’t, just don’t). That’s not correct, the war began a day earlier. See, I was there on the night the war really started, at precisely 2200 hours, on the 19th of March in the Northern Arabian Gulf. I was there when US Navy SEALs and Polish GROM stormed the MABOT and KAAOT oil terminals a full day before Saddam Hussein discovered that his time was finally up. In point of fact, I had arrived there four months before, a few days before Christmas in December of 2002. From the day of my arrival (and before that really) to the day the war started, and for months after, I was a Navy intelligence officer working in support of the invasion force. There’s not much I don’t know about the events leading up to war and the aftermath of the invasion.
Absolutely Nothing: A Veteran’s Savage Indictment of the Iraq War | Americans Against the Tea Party

Winger links as the typical support for the 'illegal war' bullshit.. Plenty of stuff to not like about Bush II.. there is no reason to continue making shit up.. but that is part for the course for extremists like you and those who write at those winger sites
 
Damn...I guess Montana newspapers have finally come to their senses...


Newspaper: ‘We Were Wrong’ To Endorse Obama; He’s Even Worse Than George Bush


The Billings Gazette, a Montana newspaper that endorsed Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008, admitted Friday that it was wrong. It appears that the unraveling of Iraq is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.
Obama, the paper said, is even worse than George W. Bush:
“[W]e were wrong. We said things couldn’t get much worse after the sub-par presidency of George W. Bush. But, President Barack Obama’s administration has us yearning for the good ol’ days when we were at least winning battles in Iraq.”
Here’s what the paper wrote about Obama in 2008:
“At this extremely challenging time, America needs a uniter, not a divider. In this economic turmoil, America needs a thoughtful, cool-headed optimist who envisions a bright future for all citizens.
*
After several years in which worldwide respect for America has been diminished, our great nation needs a new leader who can inspire confidence at home and abroad.”
A “uniter, not a divider” who could restore “worldwide respect for America”? LOL.
“Obama is that leader. As Gen. Colin Powell said last week, Obama is the president America needs now ‘ecause of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities. … He has both style and substance.’”
After painting his opposition as “enemies” for 5 ever-more polarizing years, it’s clear that this couldn’t be any further from reality.
If you’re one of the people who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both and now regret it, The Billings Gazette officially feels your pain. Finally.


-- and no link to the paper.

Wonder why.



Gee.. a big strong pseudo-intellectual shouldn't have any trouble finding a big bad story from an old Montana newspaper.....apparently you are as stupid as I thought you were.

Gazette opinion: Obama earned the low ratings

Want Daddy to read it for you? Idiot.
 
The last time we played world police it cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives yet some people want more while also making the claim that we do not have enough money to feed our own. Want to link a re-invasion of Iraq to a tax hike equal to the cost? Didn't think so.

We sent a crystal-clear message to terrorists: don't mess with the US.

Guess what. It worked.
 
Damn...I guess Montana newspapers have finally come to their senses...


Newspaper: ‘We Were Wrong’ To Endorse Obama; He’s Even Worse Than George Bush


The Billings Gazette, a Montana newspaper that endorsed Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008, admitted Friday that it was wrong. It appears that the unraveling of Iraq is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.
Obama, the paper said, is even worse than George W. Bush:
“[W]e were wrong. We said things couldn’t get much worse after the sub-par presidency of George W. Bush. But, President Barack Obama’s administration has us yearning for the good ol’ days when we were at least winning battles in Iraq.”
Here’s what the paper wrote about Obama in 2008:
“At this extremely challenging time, America needs a uniter, not a divider. In this economic turmoil, America needs a thoughtful, cool-headed optimist who envisions a bright future for all citizens.
*
After several years in which worldwide respect for America has been diminished, our great nation needs a new leader who can inspire confidence at home and abroad.”
A “uniter, not a divider” who could restore “worldwide respect for America”? LOL.
“Obama is that leader. As Gen. Colin Powell said last week, Obama is the president America needs now ‘ecause of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities. … He has both style and substance.’”
After painting his opposition as “enemies” for 5 ever-more polarizing years, it’s clear that this couldn’t be any further from reality.
If you’re one of the people who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both and now regret it, The Billings Gazette officially feels your pain. Finally.


-- and no link to the paper.

Wonder why.



Gee.. a big strong pseudo-intellectual shouldn't have any trouble finding a big bad story from an old Montana newspaper.....apparently you are as stupid as I thought you were.

Gazette opinion: Obama earned the low ratings

Want Daddy to read it for you? Idiot.


Oboy! Another hissyfit. I love these meltdowns. They're like Fukushima without the radiation.

I just had to wonder, Meltie, what kind of news sources you're using that can't even link their own stories. Either gross incompetence or there's something there they don't want the obviously sterling intellects that make up their readership to see.

I can look it up, easily. Already did. But it's not my job. And I have serious doubts about those whose job it is that fail to do it.

I look forward to more entertainment from these oracles of wisdom sources of your'n. Idiot.
 
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The last time we played world police it cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives yet some people want more while also making the claim that we do not have enough money to feed our own. Want to link a re-invasion of Iraq to a tax hike equal to the cost? Didn't think so.

We sent a crystal-clear message to terrorists: don't mess with the US.

Guess what. It worked.

Guess what -- Iraq had squat to do with terrorism. All it did was piss people off. Which is not wise considering that's what terrorists are made of in the first place.
 
Yeah, those terrorists who flew jets into your buildings are SO afraid of you.
 
So liberals do wish saddam was still in power torturing and murdering people?

Watch now....as we witness the great liberal dance.

I call it the "left wing two step."

They are glad saddam is not around but......

Yeap, I was proven right again. Anyone seeing the "left wing two step?"

Gotta love their hypocrisy.

I think the truly demented ones like knb and pogo actually like saddam. Am I wrong about that?

I do love it though how they do like him more than white republicans. That is funny. On one hand they really want Bush to be brought up on charges for war crimes (they never really understand why he has not been, and why Obama did not hold independent investigations about Bush's so called illegal war lol), but they apparently did not want saddam to be brought up on his violations.

Why? Not sure. They sure cheered when Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act for wmds and proceeded to bomb Iraq. Yes, they did, or perhaps they did not know. We sure as shit know there is a distinct possibility they do not care. Rather difficult to debate hypocrites like that, when they shift on what they care about.

Ahhhh, just ignore what UNSCOM discovered in their detailed reports, what defectors said in regards to saddam's murderous tortures, his sons murderous exploits, and the fact he executed his son in laws.

None of that matters one bit to these hypocrites. They are all pathetic hypocrites, and never believe for one second that they care about the subjugated or oppressed. This whole argument conclusively shows they do not care one bit about the oppressed.

Look at how they cry that saddam is gone.


The left wing two step everyone......

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The last time we played world police it cost us a trillion dollars and thousands of lives yet some people want more while also making the claim that we do not have enough money to feed our own. Want to link a re-invasion of Iraq to a tax hike equal to the cost? Didn't think so.

We sent a crystal-clear message to terrorists: don't mess with the US.

Guess what. It worked.

Well until Obama got elected and started running things..
 
Damn...I guess Montana newspapers have finally come to their senses...


Newspaper: ‘We Were Wrong’ To Endorse Obama; He’s Even Worse Than George Bush


The Billings Gazette, a Montana newspaper that endorsed Barack Obama over John McCain in 2008, admitted Friday that it was wrong. It appears that the unraveling of Iraq is the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.
Obama, the paper said, is even worse than George W. Bush:
“[W]e were wrong. We said things couldn’t get much worse after the sub-par presidency of George W. Bush. But, President Barack Obama’s administration has us yearning for the good ol’ days when we were at least winning battles in Iraq.”
Here’s what the paper wrote about Obama in 2008:
“At this extremely challenging time, America needs a uniter, not a divider. In this economic turmoil, America needs a thoughtful, cool-headed optimist who envisions a bright future for all citizens.
*
After several years in which worldwide respect for America has been diminished, our great nation needs a new leader who can inspire confidence at home and abroad.”
A “uniter, not a divider” who could restore “worldwide respect for America”? LOL.
“Obama is that leader. As Gen. Colin Powell said last week, Obama is the president America needs now ‘ecause of his ability to inspire, because of the inclusive nature of his campaign, because he is reaching out all across America, because of who he is and his rhetorical abilities. … He has both style and substance.’”
After painting his opposition as “enemies” for 5 ever-more polarizing years, it’s clear that this couldn’t be any further from reality.
If you’re one of the people who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both and now regret it, The Billings Gazette officially feels your pain. Finally.




Fuck the Billings Gazette and the rest of the media. While I am no big fan of the President, I am even less of a fan of the media that all but refused to take a good deep look at Obama when he was a candidate.


Yes, for years some in the media have failed to investigate or even ask questions. If they had done their jobs, I doubt we'd be where we are now. And some still refuse to even cover the IRS and Benghazi scandals, let alone do any investigating.

Nice that at least one paper has come out to say they were fucking ignorant, but it is too little, too late.
 

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