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Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
God you people, they(private company's) are paid to administrate medicare, they insure nothing unless you have a advantage plan . people and their bullshit.That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...www.medicareadvocacy.org
But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.
Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.
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It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.
I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.
I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.
But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.
Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.
All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.
They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.
Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.
Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.
We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.
He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.
And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?
No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.
Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.
Sigh,
I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!
Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.
I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.
You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.
Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.
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It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.
I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.
I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.
But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.
Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.
All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.
They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.
Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.
Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.
We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.
He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.
And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?
No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.
Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.
Sigh,
I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!
Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.
I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.
If you are at all concerned for the econimy you would be a total idiot to vote for a right wing hate party candidate for president. They are a disaster as far as the economy is concerned.You’re the dead beat.......gop supporters have always been in the way of prosperity. The economy gets worse under conservatives and does much better under liberals who believe in science and education. The gop is the party of the stooooopid.Obamacare was an enormous on what there was before...which was nothing. but Medicare For All would be an enormous improvement on Obamacare, my friends!
Why would I want my taxes raised to care for illegals and deadbeats?
Ace the key word is administer , they insure nothing. unless it'Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
bullshit they insure nothing "The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)" They get paid to administrate medicare and medicaid , that's it ace , exactly what I told you the first time.Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
just try reading the mac"s full name ,that's what it does it insures nothing "Medicare relies on private health care insurers to support Original Medicare (Part A and Part B) administrative duties, such as claims processing, appeals handling, and provider contracting. Both Medicare Administrative Contractors (MACs) and Qualified Independent Contractors (QICs) are involved in the appeal process. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), the federal body that manages the Medicare program, provides oversight of Medicare contractors." What Are Medicare Contractors and How Do They Help with Appeals? - Plan PrescriberGod you people, they(private company's) are paid to administrate medicare, they insure nothing unless you have a advantage plan . people and their bullshit.That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
They do exactly the same thing that they do for an employer provided group insurance. Look it up if you don't believe me. Research MACs (Medicare Administrative Contractors). Insurance companies are getting rich on this shit. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/04/most-of-top-insurers-revenue-comes-from-medicare-medicaid.html
/——/ I’m not your friend, and Medicare for All is a head fake created to convince people it’s not warmed over Obozocare. You ain’t fooling anyone.whose with me?
What the hell are you arguing against what I said.You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.
Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.
===
It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.
I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.
I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.
But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.
Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.
All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.
They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.
Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.
Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.
We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.
He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.
And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?
No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.
Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.
Sigh,
I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!
Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.
I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.
Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.
Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.
I don't think you have a clue.
Ace the key word is administer , they insure nothing. unless it'Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
bullshit they insure nothing "The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)" They get paid to administrate medicare and medicaid , that's it ace , exactly what I told you the first time.Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services - Wikipedia. Why is it the ones that know the least claim to be the biggest authority on everything???????
That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
/——/ It is single payer, just rebranded as Medicare for All. It’s a scam.Didn't you post this thread last week?
And no, we need a true single payer system, not to expand the existing system.
That's not a answer , I asked why you are arguing against what I said, the point is you have no clue what I said. For instance I've said all along that private company's only administer medicare and medicaid. That's what you are arguing about I guess. If that isn't it. tell us all what the point I made that you are arguing against .Bullshit, they insure nothing.dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
===
It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
Ha ha, keep ignoring this, it makes you look silly.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
LINK
Medicare members never see a bill from an insurance company, it come from CMS, they never deal with insurance company policies or pricing, CMS does that.
You’re the dead beat.......gop supporters have always been in the way of prosperity. The economy gets worse under conservatives and does much better under liberals who believe in science and education. The gop is the party of the stooooopid.Obamacare was an enormous on what there was before...which was nothing. but Medicare For All would be an enormous improvement on Obamacare, my friends!
Why would I want my taxes raised to care for illegals and deadbeats?
You are leaving a few facts out aren't you, I know why it happened .That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.
Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.
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It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.
I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.
I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.
But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.
Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.
All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.
They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.
Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.
Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.
We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.
He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.
And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?
No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.
Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.
Sigh,
I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!
Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.
I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.
Neither have YOU or cblack posted any counterpoint to it, just evidence/fact free babble.
Meanwhile I AM ON MEDICARE, have been billed by them, have paid the monthly premium to them. I have never seen an insurance company anywhere in my program.
I don't think you have a clue.
I am if you can convince me of something.whose with me?
That's what I used to think:dblack writes:
"The irony of Medicare for All is that gullible progressives think it will remove insurance company profits from the equation. Medicare does the opposite. A lot of people mistakenly think of Medicare as government run insurance. It's not. Medicare farms out insurance to the same companies that you're dealing with now. The only difference between Medicare and private insurance is that the government pays for it, rather than your employer."
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It IS Government Run insurance, I am on Medicare, have to pay a MONTHLY Premium to the Government.
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The point he was trying to make, was that progressives think that if you have Medicare for All, that it eliminates profit driven insurance companies.
It does not. Medicare is administered through private profit-making insurance companies. It is very profitable for private insurance companies to process medicare claims, because if it wasn't, they would not do it, and then Medicare would cease to function.
I USE Medicare, used it several times, there has been NO connection private insurance companies in my bills, yes I actually pay some of the bills I get. I have been DROPPED by a Doctor because Medicare doesn't pay enough for him to stay in business, therefore he has to stop accepting Medicare. I have found a few other doctors NOT accepting Medicare, either, in my search for a new Doctor.
33. Medicare is a Private–Public Partnership | Center for Medicare Advocacy
Most people think Medicare is a government program. That’s only partly true. While Congress created Medicare, and continues to develop Medicare coverage and appeal rules, decisions to pay claims are actually made by private companies. The government does not make those decisions. This was one of...But, if coverage is denied unfairly… don’t blame the government. It’s probably not “Medicare” that made the decision; it’s most likely a private insurance company that’s paid by Medicare to make coverage decisions.
Your link provided ZERO factual support of its claims........., would have helped a lot if they show hard evidence of what they claim, but they don't.
Medicare (CMS) repeatedly states in the handbook not to allow outside groups tell you how to use the program, only CMS has that authority. That is why they send a yearly handbook, have all medicate members have an account with CMS, encourage members to ask them questions about any part of the Medicare program with CMS.
===
It is clear you are going to ignore this I have already posted:
"The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), is a federal agency within the United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) that administers the Medicare program and works in partnership with state governments to administer Medicaid, the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and health insurance portability standards."
The Government is running the program, I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it. I pay my premium directly to the HHS every month. They are the ones in control of the program.
I know this personally as I get their yearly handbook that described what they do and what I can do with it.
I'm not going to argue with you about it. Because I don't know for certain either way.
But what I absolutely do know for certain, is that how government actually works, and how government claims to work, are very different.
Go read some of Thomas Sowell's books, where he describes how government actually worked, when he himself worked for the government.
All the hand books, and all the reports, and all the laws, and all the statements about "this is how government operates!"... it is all lies.
They can write anything in that booklet, and it may not be anything even close to how government actually functions.
Again, I don't know. I am not saying that you are wrong.
What I am saying is that you should not ever believe that because it says such-and-such in a book the government gave you, means that is how the government actually works.
Governments lie constantly. CONSTANTLY.
We just had a guy from the government, say directly and openly, that he told everyone that you did not need a mask, because he wanted to make sure that hospital staff had masks.
He lied openly and directly, and that lie was repeated and published all of the nation.
And you are telling me, that you know for a fact how government works, because government gave you a booklet?
No, don't be foolish. See if an insurance company lies, you can sue the crap out of them in court. When government lies.... well look at Franklin Raines from Fannie Mae, that lied and fabricated numbers. Nothing happen to him, and he was in contact with the Obama administration after he was caught lying and fabricating numbers.
Government lies constantly. Don't trust little booklets that say "this is how government works". Government can tell you anything. Doesn't mean diddly jack.
Sigh,
I already know Medicare sucks, but it is all I can use at age 60. I am shut out of Obamacare completely because the state wants me off their Apple Health program, when Medicare became available for me, in fact they, BEHIND my back, took me off Apple Health, put me on Medicare without my knowledge. I get these Medicare cards out of the blue in the mail about the same time Apple Health told me I am no longer in their program. I didn't do anything to make this happen, it just BOOM happened, I was surprised!
Never did I say Medicare is great or that it is what everybody should have.
I can't completely vouch for everything in the CMS booklet, but is it the OFFICIAL handbook I have to use.
So everyone that says they are 'stuck' on government programs, needs to remember the entire reason there is no better options, is because of those government programs.
